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Chat channels: NO
Online replays: NO
Overall ladder rankings: NO
Cross server playability: NO
Clan Support: NO
Customizable hotkeys: NO
Automated Tournaments: NO
Chat commands: NO
What do we get instead?
Facebook: YES
Chat channels: promised
Online replays: promised
Overall ladder rankings: Is this about the divisions? Because I assumed that Proleague was going to be the exceptional place where the "best" actually got ranked differently than everyone else. Perhaps that's where there'll be a single division for the best to compare and the rest have to settle. Wait and see.
Cross server playability: promised
Clan support: promised
Customizable hotkeys: not yet
Automated Tournaments: promised
Chat commands: not yet
What I'm seeing here is a promising future. You do realize that back when they announced StarCraft 2 as a triology, they said that in the interest of actually being able to release the game within our lifetimes they were going to make it in installments and patch it as if it was WoW. Common sense tells us that they could have all of the stuff you ask for in the Beta if they wanted to delay the game, but they would rather get the core into the player's hands as soon as possible and simply bring it up to everyone's expectations in time. And since these features won't cost any extra money, I think this is a fine solution.
I'll grant that the Facebook implementation was an absolutely retarded and unnecessary feature that makes it seem like Blizzard has their head up their ass, but don't get distracted by it. At least wait until the last phase of the Beta before you get out your pitchforks and get mob justice. They've said the whole time that they'll be patching a ton of shit once the game goes "live". The fact that you can't enjoy these things now may suck, but I'm going to trust them. I see no reason not to.
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On May 24 2010 20:38 DanceDance wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 20:03 im a roc wrote:On May 24 2010 20:00 HaFnium wrote:
Sorry to ask here... but are there any ways for me to provide feedback to blizzard?
I have waited for SC2 for like... 7 years? And I don't really want this to happen. The whole release date thingy is so un-blizzard like, the Blizzard I remember is the one keep delaying games so games will be near to perfect when they are released.
Maybe we can do something.... as a community and hopefully Blizzard will listen to us. Try the Beta Forums An idea: organize to create one big thread on the feedback forums to get the message across.
Done.
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On May 24 2010 20:47 Wolfpox wrote:Show nested quote +
Chat channels: NO
Online replays: NO
Overall ladder rankings: NO
Cross server playability: NO
Clan Support: NO
Customizable hotkeys: NO
Automated Tournaments: NO
Chat commands: NO
What do we get instead?
Facebook: YES
Chat channels: promised (A maybe)Online replays: promised (Another maybe that never happened in WC3 though it was "promised")Overall ladder rankings: Is this about the divisions? Because I assumed that Proleague was going to be the exceptional place where the "best" actually got ranked differently than everyone else. Perhaps that's where there'll be a single division for the best to compare and the rest have to settle. Wait and see. Cross server playability: promised (A definate no the last i heard) Clan support: promised (Another maybe, but isn't this something basic that should be in for release? really...)Customizable hotkeys: not yet Automated Tournaments: promised ( i sure hope so, the games practically released and they havent even tested it)Chat commands: not yet What I'm seeing here is a promising future. You do realize that back when they announced StarCraft 2 as a triology, they said that in the interest of actually being able to release the game within our lifetimes they were going to make it in installments and patch it as if it was WoW. Common sense tells us that they could have all of the stuff you ask for in the Beta if they wanted to delay the game, but they would rather get the core into the player's hands as soon as possible and simply bring it up to everyone's expectations in time. And since these features won't cost any extra money, I think this is a fine solution. I'll grant that the Facebook implementation was an absolutely retarded and unnecessary feature that makes it seem like Blizzard has their head up their ass, but don't get distracted by it. At least wait until the last phase of the Beta before you get out your pitchforks and get mob justice. They've said the whole time that they'll be patching a ton of shit once the game goes "live". The fact that you can't enjoy these things now may suck, but I'm going to trust them. I see no reason not to.
So no, and even if they are promised... these are basic features that should have been in on release. I mean they even said they delayed the game for over a year for BattleNet2.0 and they couldn't even scrap together chat channels in that time? BS its cause they don't want to do it and they probably won't change their mind either cause they are stubborn as fuck.
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On May 24 2010 20:54 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 20:38 DanceDance wrote:On May 24 2010 20:03 im a roc wrote:On May 24 2010 20:00 HaFnium wrote:
Sorry to ask here... but are there any ways for me to provide feedback to blizzard?
I have waited for SC2 for like... 7 years? And I don't really want this to happen. The whole release date thingy is so un-blizzard like, the Blizzard I remember is the one keep delaying games so games will be near to perfect when they are released.
Maybe we can do something.... as a community and hopefully Blizzard will listen to us. Try the Beta Forums An idea: organize to create one big thread on the feedback forums to get the message across. Done.
suppported =)
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I admit, I'm running on faith here and there are things that worry me as well. Promises always carry the danger of being lies after all. But I think Blizzard knows how important SC2 is, and I think they'll do everything they can to make it awesome over time. I think they're compromising a lot of things for the sake of time, and the game won't be "Finished" until the whole trilogy is released.
Which means a painful waiting game... But for guys like me who love the single player and don't get too involved with multiplayer it won't be so bad. I agree that it's basic, but I think that's why it's illogical to think that it won't be included soon. Once the game goes live there will most likely be a shift in resources and priorities that will allow them to nail down some of these "basics". Who knows? This Canessa character rubs me the wrong way but I think of how they canceled StarCraft Ghost, and I think they still have standards and can still be trusted.
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I hate people who love whining about battle.net 2.0.
Realize of course, that many of the complaints that peopel have are ALREADY being taken care of by blizzard, albeit at a later date, however, they are still going in possibly a little while after the release... so what? Aslong as we will have them eventually... it aint the end of the facking world. There are complicated mechanics and events that i'm quite sure you have literally no insight into, so it's no use complaining that way. Blizzard has always made preparations for their products to meet full expectations, if not now, then always a little further down the road. They surpass any game company in terms of quality skills and pure creativity, cut them some slack man...
Not wanting to implement things that they are AWARE that their dedicated fan base needs, is just pure nonsense. Of course they wanna do everything they can to please the costumer, but it's just not that simple and easy everytime.. and people need to take a fucking chill pill about it...
There we go
ps.
You know why the argument "It's still a beta" still holds up?
It's because it's actually true. In all honesty, they are more than likely to have internal play-testing and bug fixing teams with an entirely different battle.net 2.0 build preparing to implement on the live servers. So just because you don't see battle 2.0 in all its glory right now, doesn't nescessarily mean that they don't have a shitload of other stuff ready to implement before long.. we just haven't seen it yet. since it's no use implementing half baked shit.
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On May 24 2010 20:54 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 20:38 DanceDance wrote:On May 24 2010 20:03 im a roc wrote:On May 24 2010 20:00 HaFnium wrote:
Sorry to ask here... but are there any ways for me to provide feedback to blizzard?
I have waited for SC2 for like... 7 years? And I don't really want this to happen. The whole release date thingy is so un-blizzard like, the Blizzard I remember is the one keep delaying games so games will be near to perfect when they are released.
Maybe we can do something.... as a community and hopefully Blizzard will listen to us. Try the Beta Forums An idea: organize to create one big thread on the feedback forums to get the message across. Done.
I added in my support but i don't know why we even bother. The Blizzard forums are such a cesspool of trolls, idiots, and blind fanboys nothing of use ever gets discussed there. 90% of replys will be 1 line nonsense troll posts like "Its not done yet!" or "If you don't like it just leave" attitudes.
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On May 24 2010 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:I'm curious and will probably go and look into this myself, but do the current WoW ToS have any clauses like the one Ice is horribly disgusted with? Because if so, that means Blizzard could have already been selling our personal information away for almost 6 years already....yet I haven't heard of any similar complaints. Edit: Yup, it's in there. Show nested quote +C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, Chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor Chat, and you engage in Chat at your own risk. Note the phrasing is slightly different as it gives a reason for disclosing personal information; makes me wonder if this was an oversight on Blizzard's part of the SC2 ToU.
I think the worrying part is that it has this clause in while they have implemented facebook integration which no one asked for. I'm usually one who thinks people exaggerate about privacy invasion but this is ridiculous. It seems like we've come so far from just the concept of making a videogame that is fun and easy to play online, to any way to exploit the userbase possible.
At least it will no doubt be hacked, but its a real shame to have to split the userbase, and actual real LAN play might never be possible without some serious modifications to the game (even if bnet is hacked the game is still coded to require a server as host). I mean a game in 2010 with no LAN. Its frankly just bullshit.
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Also i think you're delusional if any of these features make it into final release. They are intentionally leaving things out, its a planned decision.
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I cancelled my pre-order. I'll wait about a year 'till they fix everything and then see if it is worth coming back to.
Cheers and GL to everyone else.
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On May 24 2010 21:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
Also i think you're delusional if any of these features make it into final release. They are intentionally leaving things out, its a planned decision.
Exactly. Blizzard have made an insanely complicated ladder system, they have the best coders in the industry. It would take them a week, at the most, to implement chat, LAN, and all the other content we've had in video games for decades.
They are deliberately removing this content to minimize communication between players. Making you sign an agreement saying they can sell any of your information for any reason. They're essentially making it identical to an Xbox Live game made for 12-year old kids.
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"We promise we will make BNET 2.0 as good as BNET 1.0 some day"
Ah Blizzard you continue to astound us...
So yah everyone in the community hates BNET 2.0. But right now Blizzard is listening to the web 2.0 crowd. They are focused on what the facebook and twitter crowds are saying primarily. So unless the community is dedicated enough to makes a statement on the channels of communication that Blizzards actually DOES have its ear to than all this is falling on deaf ears. We can just complain to each other in the dark about how much this sucks. Now if word of how much BNET 2.0 sucks started making its way around twitter space reaching all that population you can bet your keister Blizzard would start listening.
But we tried a twitter mass statement with the micro thing...we got like 11 people to retweet. So frankly its our own darn fault if we can be bothered to write wallotexts on TL but cant take a couple minutes to organize sign up for twitter and actually make a statement to Blizzard. We are a web 1.0 based community and if we cant learn to adapt than we cant be surprised when we arnt heard.
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On May 24 2010 20:47 Wolfpox wrote:Show nested quote +
Chat channels: NO
Online replays: NO
Overall ladder rankings: NO
Cross server playability: NO
Clan Support: NO
Customizable hotkeys: NO
Automated Tournaments: NO
Chat commands: NO
What do we get instead?
Facebook: YES
Chat channels: promised Online replays: promised Overall ladder rankings: Is this about the divisions? Because I assumed that Proleague was going to be the exceptional place where the "best" actually got ranked differently than everyone else. Perhaps that's where there'll be a single division for the best to compare and the rest have to settle. Wait and see. Cross server playability: promised Clan support: promised Customizable hotkeys: not yet Automated Tournaments: promised Chat commands: not yet What I'm seeing here is a promising future. You do realize that back when they announced StarCraft 2 as a triology, they said that in the interest of actually being able to release the game within our lifetimes they were going to make it in installments and patch it as if it was WoW. Common sense tells us that they could have all of the stuff you ask for in the Beta if they wanted to delay the game, but they would rather get the core into the player's hands as soon as possible and simply bring it up to everyone's expectations in time. And since these features won't cost any extra money, I think this is a fine solution. I'll grant that the Facebook implementation was an absolutely retarded and unnecessary feature that makes it seem like Blizzard has their head up their ass, but don't get distracted by it. At least wait until the last phase of the Beta before you get out your pitchforks and get mob justice. They've said the whole time that they'll be patching a ton of shit once the game goes "live". The fact that you can't enjoy these things now may suck, but I'm going to trust them. I see no reason not to.
They said the single player was too big to put into one game, not battle.net.
Blizzard could put most of those features into the game TOMORROW if they wanted to.
Cross server playability? You know that the only thing you need to change to connect to a different server with any version of SC2, is replace a tiny .sc2data or whatever file in your SC2 directory.
The only thing that stops anyone from playing multiple servers is that each account is locked to 1 region. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL PROBLEM.
Custom hotkeys? There were hacked together solutions for editing hotkeys a few days after the beta was released. People say the Facebook intergration probably took a weekend for 2 interns, well, I'm pretty sure a basic custom hotkey solution would be just as easy.
Overall ladder rankings - yes it's about the divisions, sort of. Divisions are fine, but we need an OVERALL view. Let's say I'm #1 in division 14 (I think that's where I was before last reset), I want to be able to see what that makes me on the entire server, without having to go to a 3rd party site like www.starcraftrankings.com
The proleague is, as far as I understand, invite only and I'm sure it will be great, but if I was a competitive but not top 0.0001% player, I'd be pissed. Which, depending on how seriously I end up playing this game, is precisely what I might be.
Online replays for WC3: Promised since 2003. How's that one coming Blizzard? Not at all you say? Well fuck you then.
Clan Support has indeed been promised, but it makes you wonder - what have they been doing with Bnet 2.0? Have they really spent all this time to create a product that is FAR inferior to Bnet 1.0?
I trusted Blizzard, but what they have done with Battle.net 2.0 so far has seriously eroded that trust. I will not say anything stupid like "I'm not buying it", because I'd buy it just to play single player even if it didn't even have LAN, but I am saddened by this development =/
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There was a time when I would trust Blizzard to ultimately do the right thing and make an outstanding product. When I would look at the sorry state of the beta Bnet and be confident that necessary features were being worked on. That even if it took months or years after release, Blizzard would produce something which reaffirmed my faith in them as an excellent company.
It's getting harder and harder to trust Blizzard to do the right thing.
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i posted my peice on battle.net forums, great effort guys
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http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/29480-Dustin_Browder_talks_SC2_again
http://sclegacy.com/news/23-sc2/687-instarcraftde-interviews-dustin-browder
(...) We also continue to polish a lot of UI elements that you guys aren’t seeing today(...). We’ve got improved profile functionality, we’ve got lots of little tweaks and fixes across Battle.net to sort of bring it up to speed. Once we go live we have patches planned in the future for things like tournament support, for things like obviously chat channels, lots and lots of little features to happen after we go live as well. We’re sorta viewing Battle.net as sort of a more of a living service in StarCraft II.(...)
Guys please, how many more times must you rage over the lack of something that BLIZZARD has repeatedly stated that there WILL be and there ARE working on, you're just not seeing everything right now that battle.net 2.0 has to offer...
I simply cannot understand all this sudden hatred towards Blizzard. You should pay them some respect, times have changed, but that doesn't mean they dont give a shit about us fans as a community. Sure we got facebook integration... How did that in any way surprise you? Any game released today practically follows in the footsteps of the web 2.0 generation.. it's just the times man... go with the flow and deal with it... we will have all the cool shit down the road.. in the meantime.. the beta is primarily aimed at balance and tweaks INSIDE the game itself, and not into battle.net
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posted my support on the bnet feedback forum. lol. What more can we do?
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I really really don't understand.
There has been so much debate about SC2 since it was announced.
But the ONE THING, that is UNANIMOUS, and EVERYONE is in agreement about is that we need Clan Support and we need Chat Channels.
Why does Blizzard not listen to their fans on this, at all?
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On May 25 2010 03:46 MasterFischer wrote:http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/29480-Dustin_Browder_talks_SC2_againhttp://sclegacy.com/news/23-sc2/687-instarcraftde-interviews-dustin-browder(...) We also continue to polish a lot of UI elements that you guys aren’t seeing today(...). We’ve got improved profile functionality, we’ve got lots of little tweaks and fixes across Battle.net to sort of bring it up to speed. Once we go live we have patches planned in the future for things like tournament support, for things like obviously chat channels, lots and lots of little features to happen after we go live as well. We’re sorta viewing Battle.net as sort of a more of a living service in StarCraft II.(...) Guys please, how many more times must you rage over the lack of something that BLIZZARD has repeatedly stated that there WILL be and there ARE working on, you're just not seeing everything right now that battle.net 2.0 has to offer... I simply cannot understand all this sudden hatred towards Blizzard. You should pay them some respect, times have changed, but that doesn't mean they dont give a shit about us fans as a community. Sure we got facebook integration... How did that in any way surprise you? Any game released today practically follows in the footsteps of the web 2.0 generation.. it's just the times man... go with the flow and deal with it... we will have all the cool shit down the road.. in the meantime.. the beta is primarily aimed at balance and tweaks INSIDE the game itself, and not into battle.net
There's three reasons why that doesn't appease us:
1) Why can't Blizzard just put chat channels in NOW rather than after release? It goes against Blizzard's philosophy of "it's done when it's done", and it gives a bad first impression to first-time players. I was turned off from Dawn of War 2 because of its online service and how empty it was without chat channels. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened with SC2 as well for some players.
2) There's no guarantee that Blizzard will add chat channels at all. Remember WC3 and online replays?
3) Blizzard promises something much better, but so far all of their "much better" alternatives have been universally worse than their Bnet 1.0 counterparts. That doesn't give us much faith.
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