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On May 24 2010 03:54 TimeToPractice! wrote:
It's been seriously only one day. Do you really think Blizzard intended to cause these issues? I sure hope you don't. Just let them fix it.
As far as your sour grapes toward all of the new systems (Ladder, facebook integration, ELO, achievements) - Would you prefer a game with no competitive architecture? (Ladder / ELO)
I don't know if you missed the boat or something, but this is what everyone is complaining about.
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Why is it so hard for people to understand that the game is in a betastage and we get to play it for free? Since its in beta ofcourse there will be crashes/game issues, thats why you have a betastage, to filter out all of these litte annoying buggs.
The beta isnt for whining, if you only whine you wont improve it. Its here so we can suggest what will make the game better. While they hammer out asmany buggs as they can.
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The purpose of a beta is so we can whine about what fucking sucks so they can fix it.
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On May 24 2010 03:54 TimeToPractice! wrote:
It's been seriously only one day. Do you really think Blizzard intended to cause these issues? I sure hope you don't. Just let them fix it.
I'm not complaining about the recent technical issues since patch 13 destroyed the game, I'm saying that even from a conceptual standpoint the system has fallen short.
As far as your sour grapes toward all of the new systems (Ladder, facebook integration, ELO, achievements) - Would you prefer a game with no competitive architecture? (Ladder / ELO)
No, I would prefer WC3 Battle.net.
And if you don't enjoy achievements or Facebook, just ignore it - you're not forced to participate in either of those.
Fair enough, but it feels to me that Blizzard is just giving us these features to keep us from complaining too much about the rest of the system.
I will say Battle.net has let me down somewhat compared to how hyped I was at BlizzCon 2009, but it's not anywhere close to how dramatic you're making it.
I was also super hyped up during the Blizzcon coverage, and I'm really sad that it's not actually as cool as it came off as then.
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no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had.
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On May 24 2010 04:05 D10 wrote:
no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had.
Seriously, when was the last time Blizzard let you down with a product? :-/
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On May 24 2010 04:07 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:05 D10 wrote:
no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had. Seriously, when was the last time Blizzard let you down with a product? :-/
WC3 with failed balance.
Edited the original post to try to clarify what exactly I meant to say.
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On May 24 2010 04:11 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:07 kajeus wrote:On May 24 2010 04:05 D10 wrote:
no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had. Seriously, when was the last time Blizzard let you down with a product? :-/ WC3 with failed balance. Edited the original post to try to clarify what exactly I meant to say.
You mean the WC3 that's ridiculously popular and still played by professional gamers around the world? :-/
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On May 24 2010 04:01 Dawme wrote:
Please stop with the "there is a beta for stuff like this" crap, it's WRONG. The beta as we know it ends in 7 days, what you're playing right now is the game that you will have in July, minus the drop stuff I hope. It has already been announced that we won't have chat channels, we won't have a good ladder, we won't have a real friends system, etc... this beta is here to make small adjustments be it technical or balance related and it's here ESPECIALLY to market and pre hype the game, like Blizzard does since a few games now. There won't be any revolutions between now and July.
Yes and after realese there will be all those things you mentionned. Some of u guys look like such assholes on the internet it's incredible. Sc also had a shitty ladder, shitty battlenet, no clansm unbalanced gameplay, cheap abuses and bugs, no replays at its realese guess what happened with it now
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On May 24 2010 03:33 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 03:32 Tef wrote:
Did you even read the TL staff message?
We get it - Bnet is having some problems. Please stop making threads about it.
TL is getting littered with these low quality (whine/hate/imbalance) posts nowadays. Maybe I am used to the old BW forum standard. Which I addressed in the first paragraph. Did you not read it?
The content of this thread doesn't deviate from all the other hundreds of threads complaining about bnet 2.0. I honestly though/hoped that "problems" in the staff message meant more than the current freeze issue. I don't see the point of making a thread with the topic "Why I hate Bnet 2.0", its just a blog post/rant.
A summary of this post: (for those that got a wall of text critical error)
The content of this post is a complaint about the crashes and unreliability of Bnet 2.0 that is still in beta. It also state the league/rank/matchmaking system is crap because a total rank list is not shown, and achievements were made to make up for those shortcommings. The OP rather have 1.0 back and use the facebook integration as a punch line.
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On May 24 2010 04:07 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:05 D10 wrote:
no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had. Seriously, when was the last time Blizzard let you down with a product? :-/
WOW
edit: to clarify, letting me down, does not equal letting their shareholders down.
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I think ladder systems should reward people who play more games. To some extent at least.
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On May 24 2010 04:19 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:07 kajeus wrote:On May 24 2010 04:05 D10 wrote:
no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had. Seriously, when was the last time Blizzard let you down with a product? :-/ WOW edit: to clarify, letting me down, does not equal letting their shareholders down.
...haha, nor, I guess, does it have anything to do with the millions of subscribers who have made the game the most popular MMORPG in the world by far.
I mean, I hated the Great Gatsby, too. That F Scott Fitzgerald was such a talentless poser. If you ask me.
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On May 24 2010 04:17 Tef wrote:
The content of this post is a complaint about the crashes and unreliability of Bnet 2.0 that is still in beta.
Alright, you clearly didn't read it. I explicitly stated that I am not discussing any of the current bugs in the system. I am fully confidant that they will all be worked out by release. I think that even without bugs it wouldn't be a good service. You really need to read and understand before posting.
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Well there is a plethora of reasons why I hate 2.0 but the #1 and #2 reasons are as follows: 1. No chat channels or any way to talk to people other than via Flist or in-game. 2. No way whatsoever to browse the ladder for well-known players or to see other leagues/divisions - at the BARE MINIMUM a search function should be added so you could at least search for Nony or Idra or Orb and so on.
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On May 24 2010 04:14 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:01 Dawme wrote:
Please stop with the "there is a beta for stuff like this" crap, it's WRONG. The beta as we know it ends in 7 days, what you're playing right now is the game that you will have in July, minus the drop stuff I hope. It has already been announced that we won't have chat channels, we won't have a good ladder, we won't have a real friends system, etc... this beta is here to make small adjustments be it technical or balance related and it's here ESPECIALLY to market and pre hype the game, like Blizzard does since a few games now. There won't be any revolutions between now and July. Yes and after realese there will be all those things you mentionned.
What makes you think that ? Because in my opinion, when a game does not contain such basic features as chat channels, it's not because the devs didn't have time to implement it, it's because they didn't WANT to do it. Blizzard has made design decisions that wont change now or in 5 years (like no LAN play which is a slap in the face of gamers).
Some of u guys look like such assholes on the internet it's incredible. Sc also had a shitty ladder, shitty battlenet, no clansm unbalanced gameplay, cheap abuses and bugs, no replays at its realese guess what happened with it now
Let me remind you that SC was released more than 10 years ago, it seems to me that we should expect a better product in 2010 than in 1998. Don't you think so ? And by the way, the problem with bnet isn't the quality of the product, it's the decisions that led to it.
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On May 24 2010 04:25 Dawme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:14 Darkren wrote:On May 24 2010 04:01 Dawme wrote:
Please stop with the "there is a beta for stuff like this" crap, it's WRONG. The beta as we know it ends in 7 days, what you're playing right now is the game that you will have in July, minus the drop stuff I hope. It has already been announced that we won't have chat channels, we won't have a good ladder, we won't have a real friends system, etc... this beta is here to make small adjustments be it technical or balance related and it's here ESPECIALLY to market and pre hype the game, like Blizzard does since a few games now. There won't be any revolutions between now and July. Yes and after realese there will be all those things you mentionned. What makes you think that ? Because in my opinion, when a game does not contain such basic features as chat channels, it's not because the devs didn't have time to implement it, it's because they didn't WANT to do it. Blizzard has made design decisions that wont change now or in 5 years (like no LAN play which is a slap in the face of gamers). Show nested quote +
Some of u guys look like such assholes on the internet it's incredible. Sc also had a shitty ladder, shitty battlenet, no clansm unbalanced gameplay, cheap abuses and bugs, no replays at its realese guess what happened with it now
Let me remind you that SC was released more than 10 years ago, it seems to me that we should expect a better product in 2010 than in 1998. Don't you think so ? And by the way, the problem with bnet isn't the quality of the product, it's the decisions that led to it.
10 years ago, it was actually much easier to make a game. Have you ever thought about how much bigger design teams are these days? How hard it is to prepare for so many different kinds of systems with such a complicated product?
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Are you telling me that it's harder to make a product with equal features than one released 10 years ago ? You're insane if you think that, it's actually way easier for multiple reasons (like protocols/APIs standardizations). The design team have grown along the years mainly because art (music / gfx) are way better these days and require much more work. And Starcraft 2 is a very good product on this point.
Come on, an IT student could write a server/client irc program which would work for 100k people in a day. It's absolutely not a time issue, it's just a pure design choice. Same for the LAN play, i'm pretty sure SC2 version used internally by blizzard has in fact LAN play. But they won't give it to us. For pure business reasons.
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On May 24 2010 04:21 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 04:19 D10 wrote:On May 24 2010 04:07 kajeus wrote:On May 24 2010 04:05 D10 wrote:
no, we must fight this urge to think everything is okay because its beta and complain like its the end of the world because if we dont do so, blizzard will never step up to the standards that they once had. Seriously, when was the last time Blizzard let you down with a product? :-/ WOW edit: to clarify, letting me down, does not equal letting their shareholders down. ...haha, nor, I guess, does it have anything to do with the millions of subscribers who have made the game the most popular MMORPG in the world by far. I mean, I hated the Great Gatsby, too. That F Scott Fitzgerald was such a talentless poser. If you ask me.
my biggest beefs with wow are the following.
PvP: game had awesome pvp before they introduced honor and battlegrounds, you had to grind your gear in the pve dungeons and then you were able to roam around the world trying to find pvp and it was soooooo much fun because everyone was doing it, so you were able to find cool fights in all sorts of different places, nowdays world pvp is dead, and people grind boringgrounds to get their honor gear to go into the arena, and honestly is just boring in my eyes, I dont want wow pro pvp, I want wow fun pvp.
PvE: by far the greatest achievement by blizzard was dumbing down its pve so that any scrub can kill arthas and have only purple loot. This greatly displeases me, as im a hardcore gamer, and I really like whatever game I play to have content simply locked away from newbies horizons, greating a huge gab in every possible way between hardcores and noobs is something that greatly pleases me, and blizzard took exacly the oposite way with wow.
Also hated raids, maybe thats why I left wow but, whe I first started, raiding was super challenging, (buggy) and fun, there was this feeling of banding toghether to beat an incredible challenge, now it feels like raiding = working.
Everything is beaten, and you are just there to get the loot, I feel incapable of having fun in a pve enviroment with more than 12 pp
And my last point, the dumbing down of 5 man dungeons, I remember when I had to go into scholomance with 10 people in order to make it smoothly, they felt hard, challenging, and rewarding, now 5 man dungeons are like a walk in the park, and if you cant obliterate the dungeons with 5 people odds are your is retarded.
And everytime blizzard did some major change to the game, it was going further away from what I liked to what I disliked, until it became this 50ton gorilla with a gazillion ppl playing, but in my eyes, no deph, no challenge, just an illusion to collect unprepared players money.
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WC3 BNet:
- Clans
- Chat channels
- Excellent ladder system (at release, it got ruined years later unfortunately probably by the same people doing BNet 2.0)
- Can save custom games and come back to them later
- Can join any regions server with 1 cdkey
- Can make and name custom games rather than them just being anonymous
- LAN
- Can stream ingame (ie you can watch live games in real time in the game client, this feature is possible because of LAN capability)
BNet 2.0:
- Facebook integration
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