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Keirathi
Super scummy. He came out of the gates really aggressively towards several people. He makes a lot of noise commenting on their anti-town play.
On October 02 2012 04:24 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 04:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Stop shitting on me. They aren't logic loops... like im trying to do logic and failing. It's just me not giving a shit about logic I assure you. Then stop playing shitty and do you job as town and lynch scum, not somebody who you think is town but has bullied you in the past. Thats fucking worthless, ffs.
On October 02 2012 04:24 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 04:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Stop shitting on me. They aren't logic loops... like im trying to do logic and failing. It's just me not giving a shit about logic I assure you. Then stop playing shitty and do you job as town and lynch scum, not somebody who you think is town but has bullied you in the past. Thats fucking worthless, ffs.
On October 02 2012 04:24 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 04:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Stop shitting on me. They aren't logic loops... like im trying to do logic and failing. It's just me not giving a shit about logic I assure you. Then stop playing shitty and do you job as town and lynch scum, not somebody who you think is town but has bullied you in the past. Thats fucking worthless, ffs.
I would quote more but they are in his filter and there is alot of this. He is not actually contributing. Just criticising the play of others. Not scum hunting just telling people that they are bad/anti-town.
The only Semblance of scum hunting from keir is this OMGUS vote on KingJames on day one.
On October 01 2012 10:25 Keirathi wrote:
As far as KJ, I just want to say that I wasn't even getting defensive. I was legitimately trying to figure out his thinking, and explain myself. That he got defensive to my questions, and then decided on a wishy-washy stance rather than taking a firm opinion and trying to explain himself make me question his motives. Just throwing mud out for the sake of appearing like he was contributing?
For now: ##Vote: kingjame01
And this follow up when questioned.
On October 02 2012 04:28 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I don't think the whole "spies" thing was a scum slip by KJ. I was curious why he said it, which was why I asked. I totally buy his explanation.
That doesn't change the fact that I still don't like his wishy-washy attitude earlier in the game, nor how he picked Mementoss from all the other lurkers/non-contributors.
He has a 3 page filter that is mostly telling people how bad they are and not scum hunting. He criticises the play of Kush at length even though he has readily admitted that is part of his meta, and has a town read on him. He spends comparatively little time on actual scum hunting or questioning the person he voted for. He leaves his vote on KJ despite huge voting activity at deadline and It becomes meaningless. In spite of saying this earlier
On October 01 2012 12:27 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: For that matter, why do you need to leave your vote parked on someone anyways?
Your vote is your means of pressuring someone and getting a response. If your vote is meaningless all game, no one is going to care about it and feel the need to justify themselves to you. You're basically giving up your only power as a townie for some contrived need of having your vote out.
After the lack of scum hunting and his meaningless vote on KJ. He saunters back into the thread and drops this vote on Marv and continues his pattern on commenting almost solely on byplay and doing zero scum hunting.
On October 03 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:EBWOP: Formatting. And damnit, I'm slow. Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 14:00 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Risen the Paramedic is dead.
You are the Paramedic. You can target a player to save at night and if they are targeted for a hit, you will revive them. However, if you target someone in the mafia, you will be killed.
Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 11:18 Risen wrote:
I'm going to sleep now, so I won't be awake for day post unless I wake up/can't sleep. If I die kill marv (not a joke, not wifom bait, kill him) ##vote: marvellosity
Couple of things stand out about this vote on marv.
He actually bothers to explain his vote. Even though it is blatantly clear why people would vote for him. He feels the need to explain it anyway.
He expresses displeasure in not being faster to vote for marv. You know who cares about in which order they vote for someone. Scum. That's who.
I have played with Keir before when he was town. This is not how he started at all. Not even close.
FoS: Keirathi
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@darthpenguin
You quoted the same thing 3 times in a row in the beginning.
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##fos keirathi
--->agreement fos
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On October 04 2012 13:12 kushm4sta wrote:
@darthpenguin
You quoted the same thing 3 times in a row in the beginning.
Oh. lol.
I can quote some more or you could just, you know, read his entire filter.
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yeah I know nothing about his town meta but since I know keirathi hosts games I did find it odd that his content was so lacking. Possibly it is explainable IRL circumstances or general indifference however.
It does look suspicious how there are literally no scum reads.
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Day 2 Vote Count
marvellosity (17): ToutEstChaos, mkfuba07, Mattchew, Keirathi, Kreb, risk.nuke, kushm4sta, ShiaoPi, austinmcc, iamperfection, Mementoss, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, BroodKingEXE, BloodyC0bbler, slOosh, Z-BosoN
23 hours until deadline: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On October 04 2012 12:16 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote:
Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. It's a general heuristic that town post more freely than scum, who have inherent guilt and are scared of making scumslips etc. That's how you caught goodkarma last game no? I agree that there isn't much substance in his filter, but it's feels different from the typical trying-to-blend-in-with-town lack of substance. Worth a vig shot, not a lynch kinda thing. Thoughts on Sharrant's more recent posts?
I caught goodkarma that way yes and no. His post was huge and looked heavily "tailored'. When I do giant posts that are heavy in analysis I do edit them regardless of my alignment but a tailored post is more alignment indicative as its a post that appears to be useful while saying shit all. It takes a good eye to realize a huge cloud of bs went into the air.
I will keep a better eye on kush to see if my view of him is off but hes still suspect to me. Sharrant needs to post more. Looks too much like feigned activity and given that he hasn't even posted once since the day post went up I will keep him on my possible scum list.
What is your view on him?
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On October 04 2012 12:41 kushm4sta wrote:
I got mad because I hate the idea of being vig shot.
Why are people always suggesting: don't know if this guy's scum. Someone vig him. Why not vig people you actually believe to be scum???
if you know the guy is 100% scum or insanely high chances you do shoot him. However if someone could be scum and their behaviour is disruptive, counter productive or the like then shooting them and having them flip green is not the end of the world as it removes a negative influence from the town. It also helps get rid of players who are basically mafia players without realizing due to bad reads or the like who will never get mafia shot or lynched and end up losing town the game.
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Darth I like how you play, please keep it up. Need more of you around!
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On October 04 2012 11:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote:On October 04 2012 00:07 ShiaoPi wrote:On October 04 2012 00:05 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Read thread plox cool story bro Extremely cool, because it means you're scum. ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does. His statement: On October 03 2012 23:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
There is still KP missing I think.
Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol)
I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot.
Austin got shot and was saved.
So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games) isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction. I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this: On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote:okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so: mkfuba07:First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch.
Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them.
My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. is awfully close to + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin:
- he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents.
So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention)
- the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us
- that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time.
If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now
##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote:What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:29 austinmcc wrote:Man I missed a fun night.On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.
Also I'm not a fan of his content. Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand. + Show Spoiler +I think we should lynch BM24... On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote:
game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote
Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window.
As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain?
Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone.
##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities...
I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again.
Not sure if this will do anything, but:
##Unvote
##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:30 austinmcc wrote:
mkfuba, what is your read on Node? How do you view annul's actions before the lynch? I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba?
On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town? The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie". One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is. This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning: >fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv. ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress, and since I've called you out you've posted even less. Unless you want to be vigied at best you should respond properly to this ##FoS This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play.
Thank you for your thoughts, Z-Boson. I'd be interested to hear what other people have to say about this, in particular ShiaoPi, but also thread heroes VE, Kushmasta, and let's say... coag.
I see no faults with the case on Keirathi, and DarthPunk is a beggar man anyways.
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On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Keirathi
Super scummy. He came out of the gates really aggressively towards several people. He makes a lot of noise commenting on their anti-town play.
Not several people. Just kush. Because I thought kush was town based on his demeanor, but his voting and play was distinctly anti-town. I spent a lot of time trying to make him see that. But I should have just shut up and let him play stupidly? Okay.
On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
I would quote more but they are in his filter and there is alot of this. He is not actually contributing. Just criticising the play of others. Not scum hunting just telling people that they are bad/anti-town.
Nothing I can really say about that. It's pretty true. After questioning KJ, I felt comfortable in my scum read of him. So I spent the rest of my time questioning other people and berating kush.
On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:He leaves his vote on KJ despite huge voting activity at deadline and It becomes meaningless. In spite of saying this earlier Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 12:27 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: For that matter, why do you need to leave your vote parked on someone anyways?
Your vote is your means of pressuring someone and getting a response. If your vote is meaningless all game, no one is going to care about it and feel the need to justify themselves to you. You're basically giving up your only power as a townie for some contrived need of having your vote out. After the lack of scum hunting and his meaningless vote on KJ.
What you probably didn't pick up on just by reading my filter (or maybe intentionally misrepresenting?), is the timing of my posts. Go back and look at my last post on day 1. It was 9 hours before the deadline (and 32 hours before my next post). That's because I took an unplanned trip out of town and didn't have internet. My vote might have been meaningless at the end of the day, but when I left it wasn't (KJ had the majority). There was literally nothing I could have done because I didn't have internet access to keep up with the game.
On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Couple of things stand out about this vote on marv.
He actually bothers to explain his vote. Even though it is blatantly clear why people would vote for him. He feels the need to explain it anyway.
He expresses displeasure in not being faster to vote for marv. You know who cares about in which order they vote for someone. Scum. That's who.
ToutEstChaos justified his vote too. Why is the fact that I did it scummier than the fact that he did it?
Also, the "Damnit, I'm slow" comment was because, when I first read the daypost, no one had commented on the reason Risen had died, nor voted marv yet. So I quoted Risen's death, then started trying to find the post where Risen had said to kill marv when he died. By the time I had finished, Tout had already beat me to the explanation. Basically you're saying that it would have been townier for me to first vote marv, 10 minutes after the day post, with 0 explanation. I don't buy that. It would be like the people who took flak for hopping on Matt without explanation in LVII after his Nosy Neighbor claim.
On October 04 2012 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:
I have played with Keir before when he was town. This is not how he started at all. Not even close.
FoS: Keirathi
This is reasonable, but a question: have you read my scum game (GSL Open Mini Mafia 1) for reference? I mean, sure I'm aware that I played a reasonably "good" scum game in that, so if I wanted to play differently I could. But would I really go for the extreme opposite end of the spectrum? From "good" scum, to terrible and easily caught?
Anyways, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to lynch me tomorrow. I lost some of my interest after having to catch up with 24+ hours of two different games.
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Reading through Shiao's filter I can see what you guys are getting at. He usually is a lot more analytical with his posting, seems like he is doing more iteration than case making. Ive played with him for 3/4 games, but this one feels suboptimal.
@Boson LVII was way different from his usual play. He usually posts in big chunks full of good stuff, but he was tracker so he was trying to lay low. His play here doesn't feel like he is a blue though. P.S. I dont think you're scum anymore.
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On October 04 2012 14:45 Keirathi wrote:
I mean, sure I'm aware that I played a reasonably "good" scum game in that, so if I wanted to play differently I could. But would I really go for the extreme opposite end of the spectrum? From "good" scum, to terrible and easily caught?
I don't even have words to reply to this with, so let me pose you this question: Would you EVER believe a player who used this argument to defend themselves? Be honest, the answer is "no" 100% of the time. This is a non-argument.
On October 04 2012 14:45 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to lynch me tomorrow. I lost some of my interest after having to catch up with 24+ hours of two different games.
If you're in a position where you can say this, you dun goofed. Come on, give me something to work with here. You've got tons of time, go write some cases. Scum of course would cite laziness or being unmotivated so they could avoid slipping or giving associative tells.
I don't really know how to deal with these non-arguments of yours.
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On October 04 2012 14:49 ToutEstChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 14:45 Keirathi wrote:
I mean, sure I'm aware that I played a reasonably "good" scum game in that, so if I wanted to play differently I could. But would I really go for the extreme opposite end of the spectrum? From "good" scum, to terrible and easily caught?
I don't even have words to reply to this with, so let me pose you this question: Would you EVER believe a player who used this argument to defend themselves? Be honest, the answer is "no" 100% of the time. This is a non-argument.
It's not about believing me. Its about reading my scum game and deciding if it makes more sense that I suddenly started being terrible at scum, or just bored townie.
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On October 04 2012 14:06 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Thank you for your thoughts, Z-Boson. I'd be interested to hear what other people have to say about this, in particular ShiaoPi, but also thread heroes VE, Kushmasta, and let's say... coag.
OMG im a thread hero yayyyy.. I dont even know if that's sarcasm but fuck it I'm taking it seriously.
The case against ShiaoPi... I hope you still have the receipt because I'm not buying!
I want to say I can confirm shiaopi's meta that z-boson talks about. Quiet until the end of the game when it seems like he has a really good understanding of everything.
I see him as a really valuable town asset.
His activity so far has not been particularly suspect to me.
I think it is a huge leap to say that his meta is to keep totally up to date on everything happening in the thread at all times. This thread is full of shit in a lot of places. Also he's playing another game ATM. Also IRL stuff. So it's very possible that he was just too busy to read the whole thread carefully at that time.
About his "night-oriented mindset": dont see how you are getting this from one small post about role speculation. I am very confused about what roles there are myself and I would love for someone to explain the possibilities and point out the likelihood that someone may be lying. So
1 not useless speculation
2 that is actually just a small part of his content
About his case on mkfuba:
not a slam dunk but that's not really what it was meant to be.
We just got a confirmed scum, so I see that case as shiaopi trying to mine our marv scum confirmation for any possible insight that can give us.
Mkfuba following marv: i agree that there is some suspicion due to mkfuba for this. He follows marv real close and although he tries to give reasons for switching, they are pretty bad. Contrast this to me who also switched a lot but at least I was honest about having shitty reasons for voting someone.
You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it.
This is his mkfuba's reason for suspecting austin. I think it is a willful misinterpretation of "fun night." Why would a fun night mean you have something to talk about? It just means that there are a bunch of trolling and omgus etc.
Maybe his cases are weaker than the ones you are used to, but if you are comparing it to cases he made in the end game, of course the early game cases are going to be weaker.
@toutestchaos
This quote from you explaining why scum wouldn't follow each other:
This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
>fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play,
This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv.
I think that is more true in mini games than large games.
There are a lot of scum (I think someone said 6). So if there were only 2 or 3 than sure they would try to separate, but as the number of scum grows, so does the necessity for overlap.
Also I agree that scum marv would probably not advise a scumbuddy to follow him that closely. But it's not like all scum is taking orders from him in the QT. If mkfuba is scum he is probably doing his own thing for the most part, and he is rather inexperienced.
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About keirathi:
I can't distinguish between bored townie and strategically afk scum.
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@toutestchaos
THIS line in particular jumps out at me (yours not his)
This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
>fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play,
Why would that line specifically jump out at you if it is basically a summary of his entire case??
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On October 04 2012 15:18 kushm4sta wrote:@toutestchaos THIS line in particular jumps out at me (yours not his) Show nested quote +This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
>fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, Why would that line specifically jump out at you if it is basically a summary of his entire case??
You just answered your own question: It compresses all the problems with his case into one sentence of horrible incorrectness.
As a note, it isn't actually a summary of his entire case, just the first 3/4 of it, the bad part.
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##fos toutestchaos
1 manufactured case
2 pushing everyone to comment on your manufactured case
This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
The reasoning is located in the body of the argument. The sentence itself contains no reasoning, so how can that LINE be guilty of poor reasoning?
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On October 04 2012 11:56 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote:
Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. That's him as townie, and that's him as scum. Unfortunately it's either vig or policy lynch for him. I think he fits his town meta a bit more then his scum meta, but I could be wrong here. Would be nice if someone who's played witih him, such as kreb (I think?) could attest to this.
Only played with him as town. First day I think he was a bit more spazzy than usual, which I also pointed out. Since then, I'd say he fits his town meta pretty well. It could be a case of him understanding he needs to tone himself down a bit as scum though, and theres others things happening which also has made him look a bit scummy. But if I were to push him as scum, I probably wont use meta as a strong part of my argument. That said, Thrawn seemed to disagree with that in the small time he was in the thread.
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