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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 14 2012 02:27 GMT
#61
On December 14 2012 11:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:12 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:07 PrinceXizor wrote:
that's disgusting. the tribunal is doing exactly nothing to remove toxic players from the pool. literally nothing. at least dota 2 ACTUALLY removes them from the pool for new and old players alike.


Really? How do they do this?

you still get to play if you get punished, you just play with all the other kids in time out.


What? lol
What's to stop them from doing what your saying in your example? Start a new Dota2 account and troll some newbs again.

there is far less incentive to do so. instead of being told "you can't play, unless you make a new account" you are just put in a different queue. you greatly exaggerate a troll's work ethic if you think he's gonna go through a whole process to do one thing when he can just keep on doing it.

I don't think so, honestly.
I was placed in the leaver queue ONCE because we grouped with a friend who trolled/afked/whatever and it was absolutely awful. I rarely have LoL games as bad as this DotA one was in terms of trolling/leavers.

If PBUs or DotA's equivalent had to deal with that, there is no question at all in my mind that they'd just make new accounts. I never want to be in that queue again after even ONE game.

(I guess on that note, maybe it's a bigger deterrent? Nah, even then probably not. I'd be much more devastated if I lost my LoL account where I've earned 90% of all champs and runes and such.)

making a new account in LoL IS putting yourself in a queue with mostly PBUs. except you also get to ruin new players days as well. oh and the best part is a new lol account is tribunal immune.

Alright well if this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), how exactly does that make DotA's system better?
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Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
December 14 2012 02:27 GMT
#62
On December 14 2012 11:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:12 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:07 PrinceXizor wrote:
that's disgusting. the tribunal is doing exactly nothing to remove toxic players from the pool. literally nothing. at least dota 2 ACTUALLY removes them from the pool for new and old players alike.


Really? How do they do this?

you still get to play if you get punished, you just play with all the other kids in time out.


What? lol
What's to stop them from doing what your saying in your example? Start a new Dota2 account and troll some newbs again.

there is far less incentive to do so. instead of being told "you can't play, unless you make a new account" you are just put in a different queue. you greatly exaggerate a troll's work ethic if you think he's gonna go through a whole process to do one thing when he can just keep on doing it.

I don't think so, honestly.
I was placed in the leaver queue ONCE because we grouped with a friend who trolled/afked/whatever and it was absolutely awful. I rarely have LoL games as bad as this DotA one was in terms of trolling/leavers.

If PBUs or DotA's equivalent had to deal with that, there is no question at all in my mind that they'd just make new accounts. I never want to be in that queue again after even ONE game.

(I guess on that note, maybe it's a bigger deterrent? Nah, even then probably not. I'd be much more devastated if I lost my LoL account where I've earned 90% of all champs and runes and such.)

making a new account in LoL IS putting yourself in a queue with mostly PBUs. except you also get to ruin new players days as well. oh and the best part is a new lol account is tribunal immune.


As far as I can tell, your argument is: "The Tribunal is bad because it doesn't work. It doesn't work because it's bad."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 14 2012 02:27 GMT
#63
On December 14 2012 11:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:12 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:07 PrinceXizor wrote:
that's disgusting. the tribunal is doing exactly nothing to remove toxic players from the pool. literally nothing. at least dota 2 ACTUALLY removes them from the pool for new and old players alike.


Really? How do they do this?

you still get to play if you get punished, you just play with all the other kids in time out.


What? lol
What's to stop them from doing what your saying in your example? Start a new Dota2 account and troll some newbs again.

there is far less incentive to do so. instead of being told "you can't play, unless you make a new account" you are just put in a different queue. you greatly exaggerate a troll's work ethic if you think he's gonna go through a whole process to do one thing when he can just keep on doing it.


LoL: toxic user, your account gets banned, toxic user could make a new account
Dota2: toxic user, your account gets demoted into troll q, toxic user can either play in troll q or make a new account.

How is Dota2's method any better? If a troll in Dota2 doesn't want to play with other trolls, he's just going to make another account. Just like in LoL. zz
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 14 2012 02:30 GMT
#64
On December 14 2012 11:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:12 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:07 PrinceXizor wrote:
that's disgusting. the tribunal is doing exactly nothing to remove toxic players from the pool. literally nothing. at least dota 2 ACTUALLY removes them from the pool for new and old players alike.


Really? How do they do this?

you still get to play if you get punished, you just play with all the other kids in time out.


What? lol
What's to stop them from doing what your saying in your example? Start a new Dota2 account and troll some newbs again.

there is far less incentive to do so. instead of being told "you can't play, unless you make a new account" you are just put in a different queue. you greatly exaggerate a troll's work ethic if you think he's gonna go through a whole process to do one thing when he can just keep on doing it.

I don't think so, honestly.
I was placed in the leaver queue ONCE because we grouped with a friend who trolled/afked/whatever and it was absolutely awful. I rarely have LoL games as bad as this DotA one was in terms of trolling/leavers.

If PBUs or DotA's equivalent had to deal with that, there is no question at all in my mind that they'd just make new accounts. I never want to be in that queue again after even ONE game.

(I guess on that note, maybe it's a bigger deterrent? Nah, even then probably not. I'd be much more devastated if I lost my LoL account where I've earned 90% of all champs and runes and such.)

making a new account in LoL IS putting yourself in a queue with mostly PBUs. except you also get to ruin new players days as well. oh and the best part is a new lol account is tribunal immune.


At this point, please stop talking about the Tribunal.
Toxic players will ruin players' fun in LoL and Dota2. It's not mutually exclusive.
New LoL are Tribunal immune? You are just running your mouth now.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 14 2012 02:30 GMT
#65
PX, just stop...
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 02:33:23
December 14 2012 02:31 GMT
#66
Yea making a dota smurf(which took me like 2 minutes) and going 40-0 with PA totally didn't ruin the day of the new players I played against lol
Cackle™
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 14 2012 02:35 GMT
#67
TSM: Black what?
Freeeeeeedom
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 14 2012 02:36 GMT
#68
On December 14 2012 11:31 TheKefka wrote:
Yea making a dota smurf(which took me like 2 minutes) and going 40-0 with PA totally didn't ruin the day of the new players I played against lol


Doesn't sound different than my experience leveling up my smurf. First game I went legendary in under 10 minutes, with an afk on my team(fk ks) and 2 on theirs.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 14 2012 02:38 GMT
#69
as long as it's comfortable up there for you guys i really don't give a shit what you guys are saying.

User was temp banned for this post.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 14 2012 02:39 GMT
#70
Time for me to play nostradomus

1. Teemo's base damage gets nerfed
2. People realize liandry's is a noob trap (especially for non-teemo champs)
3. Call myself nostradomus and collect league karma
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#71
LOL VOYBOY..... homeguard OP
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
December 14 2012 02:42 GMT
#72
Is Riot really gonna let Homeguard/TP be a thing? That gank on Chaox was so ridiculous.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#73
On December 14 2012 11:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:12 Pooshlmer wrote:
On December 14 2012 11:07 PrinceXizor wrote:
that's disgusting. the tribunal is doing exactly nothing to remove toxic players from the pool. literally nothing. at least dota 2 ACTUALLY removes them from the pool for new and old players alike.


Really? How do they do this?

you still get to play if you get punished, you just play with all the other kids in time out.


What? lol
What's to stop them from doing what your saying in your example? Start a new Dota2 account and troll some newbs again.

there is far less incentive to do so. instead of being told "you can't play, unless you make a new account" you are just put in a different queue. you greatly exaggerate a troll's work ethic if you think he's gonna go through a whole process to do one thing when he can just keep on doing it.

I don't think so, honestly.
I was placed in the leaver queue ONCE because we grouped with a friend who trolled/afked/whatever and it was absolutely awful. I rarely have LoL games as bad as this DotA one was in terms of trolling/leavers.

If PBUs or DotA's equivalent had to deal with that, there is no question at all in my mind that they'd just make new accounts. I never want to be in that queue again after even ONE game.

(I guess on that note, maybe it's a bigger deterrent? Nah, even then probably not. I'd be much more devastated if I lost my LoL account where I've earned 90% of all champs and runes and such.)

making a new account in LoL IS putting yourself in a queue with mostly PBUs. except you also get to ruin new players days as well. oh and the best part is a new lol account is tribunal immune.

Stop using highly limited and biased personal experience as fact. You don't have actual statistics on new accounts and the Tribunal. Until you have facts instead of opinion, all you do is maje yourself out to be an angry, bitter fool.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#74
On December 14 2012 11:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
as long as it's comfortable up there for you guys i really don't give a shit what you guys are saying.

The fact that Riot has millions of new players coming to the game constantly is enough to prove the problem isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. If PBUs were preventing any new players from picking up the game, Riot would have stagnated in numbers a long time ago.

Now if you don't want to listen to what we have to say anyway, then stop coming here and arguing with us. Simple as that.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#75
On December 14 2012 11:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
as long as it's comfortable up there for you guys i really don't give a shit what you guys are saying.

User was temp banned for this post.

Oh shit he just dinged 11 for that lvl 2 ult,tough luck
Cackle™
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 14 2012 02:46 GMT
#76
Lvl 1-20 account games are fun, IDK know what u guys are talking about. My sister quit once people started actually trying.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 14 2012 02:46 GMT
#77
On December 14 2012 11:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
as long as it's comfortable up there for you guys i really don't give a shit what you guys are saying.

User was temp banned for this post.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1474#29475

best argument NA
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 14 2012 02:48 GMT
#78
On December 14 2012 11:46 cLutZ wrote:
Lvl 1-20 account games are fun, IDK know what u guys are talking about. My sister quit once people started actually trying.


They are fun. If you're an experienced player you pretty much always win lane. The problem is that winning game is really hard when people often have double digit kills/deaths by the end of laning phase(can be over 20 minutes of laning before the first tower apart from yours goes down).
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 02:51:07
December 14 2012 02:49 GMT
#79
PrinceXizor was just temp banned for 30 days by NeoIllusions.


It's going to be a good month.

Anywho, I'm disappointed that Diana got nerfed as hard as she did. She lost loads of utility and damage. The Lunar Rush range reduction in particular is pretty severe. I always enjoyed watching her just do stuff, but if history's anything to go by (*cough* orianna *cough*) a set of nerfs as comprehensive as this will pretty much remove her from both the pro scene and soloqueue. Of course, the jury's still out on whether or not she will actually still be good.
whole lies with a half smile
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 14 2012 02:52 GMT
#80
On December 14 2012 11:48 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:46 cLutZ wrote:
Lvl 1-20 account games are fun, IDK know what u guys are talking about. My sister quit once people started actually trying.


They are fun. If you're an experienced player you pretty much always win lane. The problem is that winning game is really hard when people often have double digit kills/deaths by the end of laning phase(can be over 20 minutes of laning before the first tower apart from yours goes down).


Pushing towers is just hard in general for worse players. AD carries don't know how to poke in and out, often times teams don't have AD carries at all. That doesn't make it less fun. Like I said, my sister played an account like 1-25ish and then got bored of the game when people started jungling and wanting a real teamcomp so she would get raged at for playing Kennen every game.
Freeeeeeedom
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