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rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
December 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#101
Did kat buy nothing but potions to start?
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
December 14 2012 03:25 GMT
#102
On December 14 2012 12:23 rhs408 wrote:
Did kat buy nothing but potions to start?


1 ward rest pots
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 14 2012 03:26 GMT
#103
On December 14 2012 11:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:53 Vingle wrote:
And PX blows up once again. It was only a matter of time.

How does the new PD feel like? Is walking through minions worth losing the extra movement speed?

As far as I can tell it's still the go-to AS/crit item for basically every AD carry. I see so many people building static shiv and Hurricane and it makes me facepalm. What are people's thoughts on Zephyr?


If for some reason you aren't gonna get PD and/or you want a second AS item I think that Zephyr is the best bet on an AD carry. The lack of crit kind of sucks but Hurricane is probably the worst option of those four on ADC. Shiv is ok but I don't think it's a good replacement for PD on anyone including bad wave clearing ADCs. Late game if you want a second AS item on ADC (notably someone like Kog, Vayne, or Caitlyn) I would probably say that Zephyr is your best bet just because the extra move speed, tenacity, and CDR help make up for the crit (and frankly you're gonna have PD/IE already so the extra crit might not be that important).

You're still gonna get PD every single game on every AD carry because it gives more AS/crit than Shiv and Hurricane+Zephyr don't give crit chance.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 14 2012 03:26 GMT
#104
On December 14 2012 12:14 dae wrote:
Ooooo gragas vs kat, this is a matchup where kat really just gets stromped in lane.

Gragas my favorite counterpick to kat :-),


You forget. This is regi we're talking about
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
December 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#105
On December 14 2012 12:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 12:14 dae wrote:
Ooooo gragas vs kat, this is a matchup where kat really just gets stromped in lane.

Gragas my favorite counterpick to kat :-),


You forget. This is regi we're talking about


Yah... watching him wiff his ult like that then almsot get pushed out of lane by a kat ult he coulda used his ult to stop and then follow up from it to push her out of lane is painful.
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
December 14 2012 03:30 GMT
#106
New meta for EZ no boots? lol
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 14 2012 03:30 GMT
#107
On December 14 2012 12:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 12:14 dae wrote:
Ooooo gragas vs kat, this is a matchup where kat really just gets stromped in lane.

Gragas my favorite counterpick to kat :-),


You forget. This is regi we're talking about

Pentakill Regi Gragas! Have to dig for a complement for him, but he isn't terrible with Gragas.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
December 14 2012 03:37 GMT
#108
Regi going double dorans into RoA. I thought that was a horrible build?
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
December 14 2012 03:38 GMT
#109
These casters.. Tried to listen to them for a few minutes. A down period in game, and the casters call attention to how nothing is happening just to keep talking. It's okay to be quiet for a bit, and just watch the game for a few seconds.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
December 14 2012 03:41 GMT
#110
On December 14 2012 12:37 schmutttt wrote:
Regi going double dorans into RoA. I thought that was a horrible build?


Trying to think of reason for it, cant.

Yes it seems like its a terrible build.. you go dorans for mana but if your roa you dont need it, and you have so little damage.

Your pretty tanky though.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
December 14 2012 03:41 GMT
#111
Well TSM just went full retard
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 14 2012 03:41 GMT
#112
Darius is kind of useless lol.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 14 2012 03:42 GMT
#113
TSM TSM TSM

+ Show Spoiler +
wtf
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
December 14 2012 03:42 GMT
#114
On December 14 2012 12:41 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 12:37 schmutttt wrote:
Regi going double dorans into RoA. I thought that was a horrible build?


Trying to think of reason for it, cant.

Yes it seems like its a terrible build.. you go dorans for mana but if your roa you dont need it, and you have so little damage.

Your pretty tanky though.


The thing about tankiness is it is Gragas, you already have your passive and the reduced damage on W.

I guess he must know something we don't but it seems bizarre.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 03:46:15
December 14 2012 03:44 GMT
#115
On December 14 2012 12:42 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 12:41 dae wrote:
On December 14 2012 12:37 schmutttt wrote:
Regi going double dorans into RoA. I thought that was a horrible build?


Trying to think of reason for it, cant.

Yes it seems like its a terrible build.. you go dorans for mana but if your roa you dont need it, and you have so little damage.

Your pretty tanky though.


The thing about tankiness is it is Gragas, you already have your passive and the reduced damage on W.

I guess he must know something we don't but it seems bizarre.


Its like.. he wanted to go straight to roa but lane wasn't going well so he had to buy dorans.

I really dislike his build, its not like the other team has any scary assasain that would 1 shot him.

Edit: Especially with him being vs a kat, who would always get mr early, you just cant get a void early enough to deal with it.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
December 14 2012 03:44 GMT
#116
Go home TSM you're drunk
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
December 14 2012 03:45 GMT
#117
I'm liking the changes.
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
December 14 2012 03:46 GMT
#118
lol TSM 3-2 surrender vote

from 2-0 to losing the series, quite a punch in the gut
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 14 2012 03:46 GMT
#119
Cmon TSM you never go full retard
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 14 2012 03:46 GMT
#120
TOO retard mode initiating with only 3.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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