EPTThe division stuff is just stupid, though.
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
The division stuff is just stupid, though. | ||
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dottycakes
Canada548 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:19 Irave wrote: You can only get demoted if you are inactive for a while. Sorta how elo is now at a certain point. This is what happens if you just end up losing lots. "Matchmaking will continue to match you based on a hidden MMR (matchmaking rating) that's tracked behind the scenes. If you are continually losing matches at the bottom of Gold tier, you'll start to play against Silver players even though you're in a Gold league. There are a lot of checks and balances that must be passed before you can move up a tier, so we don't think that it will be common for players to be in this situation (with the exception of something like Elo boosting, which we'll be continuing to address)." Here's the wording that throws me off a bit: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33508942#33508942 You start with 0 LP, yes, but there's a grace period where it's impossible to be demoted for the first few games in the new division, so losing won't really cost you anything. You can look at it as a time to relax for a bit after successfully getting through a division series. Implies after a grace period, you are able to get demoted. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:20 Ketara wrote: I do not understand the need for and am suspicious of this new rating system. I rather like the elo rating. They say that elo is bad for giving you benchmarks to work towards. For me, working towards 1400 is a pretty good benchmark. After that I will probably set a new benchmark, say 1500. Then after a while with this system, you will say instead of 100 elo how about a tier! Which is roughly 70elo. I mean sure the number is hidden, but its not difficult to put a number to where you sit tier/division wise. We can expect this on the PBE shortly. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On January 16 2013 09:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Are people bitching about the new system on the LoL forums? Because they should be. Hopefully Riot doesn't go through with this current system is fine. I would (I posted on the EUW thread, but it's only on the 5th page), but I don't really know how to formulate it so as to draw attention. If you don't manage to word your intention well, especially your title, (and I don't believe I would) you're utterly reliant on luck for a Rioter to notice it, post in it and have the "red posts" flag raise attention from the crowd in a "positive feedback" loop. On January 16 2013 09:54 Numy wrote: It's because people don't understand much unfortunately. They will praise something because they think it does one thing when in fact it does something completely different. Then months down the line when they realise this fact they will bitch constantly asking for the good old days again. I mean look at the comments. People talking about how ELO hell is gone and how ELO rating was such a bad way to measure skill etc. They have absolutely no idea what they are praising. Yeap. People don't understand much about Elo, hell, they don't even know what it is, apart from "the score that ranks you" or some vague and inaccurate definition like that. But the community appropriated the term, and Riot didn't fail to notice it: Elo = scarecrow By getting rid of the "Elo" term, Riot put on its bleached pants, even though they're still using the system under that. Instead, they're using a positive, pinky, bright and shiny interface to present the players with a nice little world where they can never lose their tier, and will always play against people of their skill level (implied division, though untrue but not necessarily false either), drapping the "casual players" in an illusion to satisfy them—as they do not need to provide details about how the system actually works to people who wouldn't understand it, and more importantly probably don't want to know. They dealt with the Elo because they saw the number, but they wouldn't have asked for it if nothing was shown to them. While from a business perspective and psychological process it makes sense, as a player gueninely concerned by appraising my own progress and dealing myself with how I'm doing, this felt like an insult. Riot's spitting in my face. They treat me like a fool, a child, that couldn't (and shouldn't, really, for the sake of the company and mine) grasp the system and wish to use it. "We want to hide your true rating". I know you can't say it to the faces of the people most concerned by this change. But that doesn't mean it's fine for you to imply "You're too dumb to understand and interpret it correctly". You're sworning at me, Riot. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:23 dottycakes wrote: Here's the wording that throws me off a bit: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33508942#33508942 Implies after a grace period, you are able to get demoted. Yea you can fall down in the divisions. But once you hit gold you will never fall down into silver. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
thats why reddit and the like love it since its casual gamers there, whereas teamliquid is mostly competitive people so we obviously hate that idea that we are just casuals too | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Link: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/tv/ | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:23 dottycakes wrote: Here's the wording that throws me off a bit: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33508942#33508942 Implies after a grace period, you are able to get demoted. Gold, plat, etc. are a tier. You can't be demoted a tier. Like your "top Elo" couldn't be reduced, even if you dropped from 1500 to 1100 by the end of the season. A tier is split into hundreds of leagues consisting of 250 players, each split into 5 divisions of 50 players. You will never leave your league in a tier (you'll leave it when you're promoted, of course). But you will go up and down the 5 divisions according to your results. You have a grace period of a few games after you move up a division, so that you don't go up, then down, and repeat the process. It should help you stabilize a bit, gain some league points, and then you'll only get demoted after a loss streak (which is still dumb because you're relying on streaks to go up/down). | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:31 VayneAuthority wrote: Riot is basically telling everyone "get salaried or your a casual piece of trash" thats why reddit and the like love it since its casual gamers there, whereas teamliquid is mostly competitive people so we obviously hate that idea that we are just casuals too How is this any less competitive when you compete in more things. As well as being able to figure out your elo. There's more flash more sparkle with this, sure sorta casual. But this adds more ladder anxiety. Think about it instead of casually climbing elo. You have to win a bo3 to move up a division. A bo5 to move up a tier. The old way you're only obligation was to keep on winning. Now you have an obstacle. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:31 VayneAuthority wrote: Riot is basically telling everyone "get salaried or your a casual piece of trash" thats why reddit and the like love it since its casual gamers there, whereas teamliquid is mostly competitive people so we obviously hate that idea that we are just casuals too This makes pretty much no sense. Especially since nearly everyone on this sub-forum is a casual player. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:37 overt wrote: This makes pretty much no sense. Especially since nearly everyone on this sub-forum is a casual player. speak for yourself, we have tons of now pros/aspiring pros/diamond level players on here. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
This system seems odd and I don't really see the point to it but then again I don't really care. I didn't generally play ranked and I most likely won't afterwards. *shrug* | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Anyway, what I wanted to say is, we are a forum while Reddit isn't, so the comparison isn't really fair. | ||
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