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On August 03 2012 22:16 decaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 12:31 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 22:54 decaf wrote:1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. It's the distal radioulnar joint, I think I ruptured my discus, see pic at art. dischttp://i.imgur.com/E6dbv.png2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Pressure pain above the joint (ulna), pain when abducting the ulna or rotating the hand. + Show Spoiler +3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp. Stinging. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. If I don't move the hand at all 0, if I tried to rotate it as far as possible probably a 9. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? 2days ago. Got worse from the day of the accident then a bit better. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? I kept working for about 5 hours after I hurt myself (I work for the red cross so I have to carry people). 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Feels like either a tendon, discus or bone is hurt. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Got a cast, got an MRT next week. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Swelling in the fingers a bit. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I go to the gym. Main question, how long does this take to heal up s  I don't have time for being sick right now. Depends on what actually happened.... and you didn't say what happened. The triangular fibrocartilage complex (TFCC) along with the articular disc is there... and if you ripped that up depending on the damage you may need surgery or you could be better in a couple of weeks. Non-painful mobility is good if possible.... I guess you'll see what happens after the MRT though. I got civil service in my country so I'm working for the red cross atm. I think I damaged my wrist when carrying some patient in a wheelchair. Had to get him across the street, passin two curbs, maybe I did some unlucky movement, either way it started hurting after that. Then I proceeded to carry him upstairs 3 floors and work for another 5 hours until I wasn't even able to lift a thing with that hand anymore. So you're saying I should move my hand around within boundaries that don't hurt? To increase blood flow I guess? Is there anything else I can do to speed up the healing process? I wanna start working and going to the gym again..
Yes.
I am not sure what is actually injured so I don't know if you can speed up the healing process or not.
If your joint is out of alignment you might try some simple distraction with your opposite hand to see if that helps. Otherwise some other specific types of mobilizations might help.
If the cartilage is damaged then well you may have some lasting issues without surgery, but that's a big if. Could potentially just be a bunch of inflammation from nothing too.
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On August 05 2012 10:22 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 12:13 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 10:28 Release wrote:On August 02 2012 08:52 eshlow wrote:On August 01 2012 10:11 Release wrote:On August 01 2012 09:11 eshlow wrote:On August 01 2012 06:08 Release wrote:
Short of seeing a physio, which seems unlikely at this moment, I see two options for myself and would like advice on which is the better:
1) Do nothing, stay out-of-shape, and wait until i get a job+car so i can go see physio on my own (although i'll probably need surgery because i let the injury manifest itself for many years)
or 2) Lift anyways and get surgery (which seems inevitable). Pretty sure i got the injury in Sept, and i worked through it unknowingly for about 4 months without dying or breaking anything. What did you do again? Everything is blending together Sep 2011 - Pullup gone wrong. Feel something in(side) my left side move. Shoulder appears to be messed up. Kept lifting until Jan 2012. Haven't lifted since. 2 weeks ago, went to see a doctor. X-ray and blood tests say there is nothing wrong, doc says stop lifting. + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 01:24 Release wrote:1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. this#s 7,8 and the area just under the shoulder bone 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.htmlAny rack position hurts: 3 squats and cleans. Pull/chin up: feels like something is going to pop out of position if i try too hard press/bench press: feels painful after a set 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? an ache after pressing movements sharp pain when trying to get proper rack position 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 0 outside of exercise. 2 or 3 for press. 6 or 7 when trying to get proper rack position 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? chronic; must have been a few months ago. Didn't realize because high bar squat rack doesn't hurt as much. It's gotten worse. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? yes a few months 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. im not sure but i feel like somethings on my left upper back is not properly attached to my arm. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? not much. Some ice and flexibility work. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? nothing helps, it's gotten slightly worse over a long period of time. It is constant. Increase when i try to do rack position (clean/lowbar/frontsquat) 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? feels a lot more tender on my upper left back where it feels tighter on my upper right back. No swelling 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? same throughout the day except particularly painful in rack position. 12. Any previous injury history? not related to this 13. How's your posture? fine 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? rows/bench/press 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? when i'm doing any rack position, i notice that my left shoulder moves backwards. This makes correct low bar impossible for my left side to achieve while my right side is fine. In clean/FS, my wrist has to flex a considerable amount to make up for this. Also, in every grip, my left hand falls closer to the center than my right hand (unless im using mixed grip for deadlift). I think i was doing a lat pulldown a few months ago when i felt something tear slightly below that area. I rested it for a week and it felt ok after that, but it has been causing me problems. In terms of flexibility, my left arm can move behind my back a lot easier than my right arm, but my right arm has better ROM in front and above the shoulder. Have you tried gaming it with rotator cuff exercises and/or LYTPs? I've done some external rotation. It bothers my right shoulder a little, but i cannot complete the motion with my left shoulder, and the left shoulder itself ends up moving backwards a little. This paint is what i'm trying to get at. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6jD23.jpg) Small circle = Shoulder Red = forearm Tried the 'Y' part of LYTP. Heard a click somewhere my left side. Also a mild burning sensation in my upper-left back/shoulder area. Hmmm, I'm honestly not sure what to tell you. The fact that the shoulder wants to seem to sublux may mean some sort of labral tear or it could just be a muscle strain of some sort. Muscle strains heal though in that amount of time. Could potentially be a rotator cuff issue too, hmmm. It would likely be a good idea to stick with non-painful exercises if possible at least until you get to an orthopedic doc. would a labral tear show in an xray or blood test? Just about any exercise can cause the left back/shoulder area to pain. I was doing some abs (leg lifts), and it caused pain in the left shoulder/back area. On another day, i did right arm bicep curls, and it caused pain in the left shoulder/back area Also, in the past few months, (should've mentioned this earlier, but it seemed so insignificant), i've been getting random stinging feelings in my shoulder blades. At first it feels sharp, then like a cold liquid rolling under my skin, then gone.
Labral tears only show up on contrast MRIs for the most part.
That definitely sounds like something that should be checked out though. Do you have any friends who know ortho docs, or PTs who could potential just do a physical exam on your shoulder for free?
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On August 08 2012 09:41 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:22 Release wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 10:28 Release wrote:On August 02 2012 08:52 eshlow wrote:On August 01 2012 10:11 Release wrote:On August 01 2012 09:11 eshlow wrote:On August 01 2012 06:08 Release wrote:
Short of seeing a physio, which seems unlikely at this moment, I see two options for myself and would like advice on which is the better:
1) Do nothing, stay out-of-shape, and wait until i get a job+car so i can go see physio on my own (although i'll probably need surgery because i let the injury manifest itself for many years)
or 2) Lift anyways and get surgery (which seems inevitable). Pretty sure i got the injury in Sept, and i worked through it unknowingly for about 4 months without dying or breaking anything. What did you do again? Everything is blending together Sep 2011 - Pullup gone wrong. Feel something in(side) my left side move. Shoulder appears to be messed up. Kept lifting until Jan 2012. Haven't lifted since. 2 weeks ago, went to see a doctor. X-ray and blood tests say there is nothing wrong, doc says stop lifting. + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 01:24 Release wrote:1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. this#s 7,8 and the area just under the shoulder bone 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.htmlAny rack position hurts: 3 squats and cleans. Pull/chin up: feels like something is going to pop out of position if i try too hard press/bench press: feels painful after a set 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? an ache after pressing movements sharp pain when trying to get proper rack position 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 0 outside of exercise. 2 or 3 for press. 6 or 7 when trying to get proper rack position 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? chronic; must have been a few months ago. Didn't realize because high bar squat rack doesn't hurt as much. It's gotten worse. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? yes a few months 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. im not sure but i feel like somethings on my left upper back is not properly attached to my arm. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? not much. Some ice and flexibility work. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? nothing helps, it's gotten slightly worse over a long period of time. It is constant. Increase when i try to do rack position (clean/lowbar/frontsquat) 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? feels a lot more tender on my upper left back where it feels tighter on my upper right back. No swelling 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? same throughout the day except particularly painful in rack position. 12. Any previous injury history? not related to this 13. How's your posture? fine 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? rows/bench/press 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? when i'm doing any rack position, i notice that my left shoulder moves backwards. This makes correct low bar impossible for my left side to achieve while my right side is fine. In clean/FS, my wrist has to flex a considerable amount to make up for this. Also, in every grip, my left hand falls closer to the center than my right hand (unless im using mixed grip for deadlift). I think i was doing a lat pulldown a few months ago when i felt something tear slightly below that area. I rested it for a week and it felt ok after that, but it has been causing me problems. In terms of flexibility, my left arm can move behind my back a lot easier than my right arm, but my right arm has better ROM in front and above the shoulder. Have you tried gaming it with rotator cuff exercises and/or LYTPs? I've done some external rotation. It bothers my right shoulder a little, but i cannot complete the motion with my left shoulder, and the left shoulder itself ends up moving backwards a little. This paint is what i'm trying to get at. + Show Spoiler +Small circle = Shoulder Red = forearm Tried the 'Y' part of LYTP. Heard a click somewhere my left side. Also a mild burning sensation in my upper-left back/shoulder area. Hmmm, I'm honestly not sure what to tell you. The fact that the shoulder wants to seem to sublux may mean some sort of labral tear or it could just be a muscle strain of some sort. Muscle strains heal though in that amount of time. Could potentially be a rotator cuff issue too, hmmm. It would likely be a good idea to stick with non-painful exercises if possible at least until you get to an orthopedic doc. would a labral tear show in an xray or blood test? Just about any exercise can cause the left back/shoulder area to pain. I was doing some abs (leg lifts), and it caused pain in the left shoulder/back area. On another day, i did right arm bicep curls, and it caused pain in the left shoulder/back area Also, in the past few months, (should've mentioned this earlier, but it seemed so insignificant), i've been getting random stinging feelings in my shoulder blades. At first it feels sharp, then like a cold liquid rolling under my skin, then gone. Labral tears only show up on contrast MRIs for the most part. That definitely sounds like something that should be checked out though. Do you have any friends who know ortho docs, or PTs who could potential just do a physical exam on your shoulder for free?
There is a PT at my school but she is more of a quack than the doctor (she diagnosed me with a "tight neck"). I'll try to ask around for a reputable ortho.
Edit:nvm
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On July 22 2012 12:40 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat  How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/srOSz.png) (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KGxF6.png) Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here? Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town. Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up.I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case. Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially. Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do.
Can you advice me some exercises to increase internal hip rotation? I looked around a bit but to be honest did not find much that I thought made sense. Was way easier to find stuff for external rotation.
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Hi guys, I'm writing for my brother here since he hurt his lower back. Through my own observations and thanks to eshlows article I think it's most likely that he strained a muscle. Anyways, here is where his pain is (marked with blue). I am however no expert so I thought it would be best to ask 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/otWdI.png)
He got it when he did bent over barbell rows. He can't do rows or deadlifts now because of the pain but he is still able to do squats. So am I right to assume he has pulled a muscle or something ? If so I will send him he article about muscle strains.
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Just saw a coupe things about backs and I wanted to relay a sentence that my physical therapists and a back specialist in Seattle told me after fracturing 3 different vertebrae (all occuring at different times). And I quote, "Do not go see a chiropractor, they will only make your back worse."
Now it could be different for different injuries, but I highly recommend to go see a physical therapist or a back specialist doctor before going straight to the chiropractor for back pains. =)
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On August 08 2012 09:29 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 13:24 decafchicken wrote:On August 03 2012 12:21 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 13:38 decafchicken wrote:Bah my right knee is still being annoying. Usually all the problems are on the left side of my body ~~ 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. -It's in the back of the knee, where the calf and hamstring muscles would appear to end/meet 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. -Twisting type movements cause a somewhat sharp pain. Noticeable when i have to catch a clean in a position that requires some sideways knee/ankle bending. Other than that there is sometimes a dull ache. Sometimes noticeable while sprinting. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? -see above + Show Spoiler +4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
-dull pain probably a 1-2. twisting pain ~4.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Sometime in the last 8 weeks i'd say, on and off. at the pendlay meet ~3 weeks ago i don't remember thinking about it at all.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
-uhh yeah. non stop lol. Can still squat and oly lift relatively fine once i am warmed up. Can still hit near max #s
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
-The ache seems to feel more near the surface/less deep and the twisting pain a bit deeper
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
-Squatting(probably not helping) and pounding fish oil and foam rolling IT band/hamstrings/calves
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
-Once i warm it up doing stuff like bodyweight squats and what not its usually fine for a while. Might start hurting later in workout depending on how the lifts go and how heavy.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
-A bit tight perhaps but i've been stretching and rolling to help losen them up, they're still flexible though. No swelling or reduction in movement or tenderness
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
-Dull aches on/off. Usually doesnt bother me at beginning or end of day, hit or miss with end of workout. usually an ache or two while i'm sitting at work.
12. Any previous injury history?
-Nope
13. How's your posture?
-Excellent while standing. meh while sitting.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
-oly lifting (duh) and rugby. doesnt usually bother me during rugby and i haven't played a lot this summer and can't think of any unusual trauma to it lol, not giving me much to work with here... Have you tried some soft tissue work to your popliteus, and upper heads of your gastroc already? Also, take a stick to your plantar fascia to loosen some posterior chain fascia up Hmm saw some guys using golf ball to roll out their feet this weekend, i'll try that. Been doing some soft tissue work to popliteus/gastrocs with foam roller and self massage Looking at this picture i'd say the ache is around the PCL ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Gray352.png) Hmmm. There's not much in the way of muscles around the PCL It could be something if the meniscus was jacked, or the joint is a bit tight from some minor swelling. Let's see what happens with the soft tissue work.
Been a lot better since i got my knee sleeves
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On August 09 2012 01:32 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 12:40 eshlow wrote:On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here? Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town. Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up.I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case. Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially. Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do. Can you advice me some exercises to increase internal hip rotation? I looked around a bit but to be honest did not find much that I thought made sense. Was way easier to find stuff for external rotation.
Top row with the leg going out:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hip internal rotation stretch
And yes, there's a lot of incorrect pictures there too
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On August 09 2012 02:32 Necosarius wrote:Hi guys, I'm writing for my brother here since he hurt his lower back. Through my own observations and thanks to eshlows article I think it's most likely that he strained a muscle. Anyways, here is where his pain is (marked with blue). I am however no expert so I thought it would be best to ask He got it when he did bent over barbell rows. He can't do rows or deadlifts now because of the pain but he is still able to do squats. So am I right to assume he has pulled a muscle or something ? If so I will send him he article about muscle strains.
If it tends to be more lateral I would suspect a muscle strain... though if it's a bit closer to the spine it could still be SI or some other issues.
Any type of radiating pain likely think something spinal or SI.
Rest, in general, should help strains aside from the rehab protocols. If it doesn't resolve then it's probably not that.
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On August 09 2012 09:56 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 09:29 eshlow wrote:On August 03 2012 13:24 decafchicken wrote:On August 03 2012 12:21 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 13:38 decafchicken wrote:Bah my right knee is still being annoying. Usually all the problems are on the left side of my body ~~ 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. -It's in the back of the knee, where the calf and hamstring muscles would appear to end/meet 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. -Twisting type movements cause a somewhat sharp pain. Noticeable when i have to catch a clean in a position that requires some sideways knee/ankle bending. Other than that there is sometimes a dull ache. Sometimes noticeable while sprinting. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? -see above + Show Spoiler +4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
-dull pain probably a 1-2. twisting pain ~4.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Sometime in the last 8 weeks i'd say, on and off. at the pendlay meet ~3 weeks ago i don't remember thinking about it at all.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
-uhh yeah. non stop lol. Can still squat and oly lift relatively fine once i am warmed up. Can still hit near max #s
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
-The ache seems to feel more near the surface/less deep and the twisting pain a bit deeper
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
-Squatting(probably not helping) and pounding fish oil and foam rolling IT band/hamstrings/calves
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
-Once i warm it up doing stuff like bodyweight squats and what not its usually fine for a while. Might start hurting later in workout depending on how the lifts go and how heavy.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
-A bit tight perhaps but i've been stretching and rolling to help losen them up, they're still flexible though. No swelling or reduction in movement or tenderness
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
-Dull aches on/off. Usually doesnt bother me at beginning or end of day, hit or miss with end of workout. usually an ache or two while i'm sitting at work.
12. Any previous injury history?
-Nope
13. How's your posture?
-Excellent while standing. meh while sitting.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
-oly lifting (duh) and rugby. doesnt usually bother me during rugby and i haven't played a lot this summer and can't think of any unusual trauma to it lol, not giving me much to work with here... Have you tried some soft tissue work to your popliteus, and upper heads of your gastroc already? Also, take a stick to your plantar fascia to loosen some posterior chain fascia up Hmm saw some guys using golf ball to roll out their feet this weekend, i'll try that. Been doing some soft tissue work to popliteus/gastrocs with foam roller and self massage Looking at this picture i'd say the ache is around the PCL Hmmm. There's not much in the way of muscles around the PCL It could be something if the meniscus was jacked, or the joint is a bit tight from some minor swelling. Let's see what happens with the soft tissue work. Been a lot better since i got my knee sleeves
Well, that's good. Knee brace helps to compress things and warm them up, so that can help instability, tendonitis, and some other maladies as well. Still kind of a crapshoot unless you wanna get it checked out
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On August 08 2012 09:40 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:16 decaf wrote:On August 03 2012 12:31 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 22:54 decaf wrote:1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. It's the distal radioulnar joint, I think I ruptured my discus, see pic at art. dischttp://i.imgur.com/E6dbv.png2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Pressure pain above the joint (ulna), pain when abducting the ulna or rotating the hand. + Show Spoiler +3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp. Stinging. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. If I don't move the hand at all 0, if I tried to rotate it as far as possible probably a 9. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? 2days ago. Got worse from the day of the accident then a bit better. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? I kept working for about 5 hours after I hurt myself (I work for the red cross so I have to carry people). 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Feels like either a tendon, discus or bone is hurt. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Got a cast, got an MRT next week. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Swelling in the fingers a bit. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? I go to the gym. Main question, how long does this take to heal up s I don't have time for being sick right now. Depends on what actually happened.... and you didn't say what happened. The triangular fibrocartilage complex (TFCC) along with the articular disc is there... and if you ripped that up depending on the damage you may need surgery or you could be better in a couple of weeks. Non-painful mobility is good if possible.... I guess you'll see what happens after the MRT though. I got civil service in my country so I'm working for the red cross atm. I think I damaged my wrist when carrying some patient in a wheelchair. Had to get him across the street, passin two curbs, maybe I did some unlucky movement, either way it started hurting after that. Then I proceeded to carry him upstairs 3 floors and work for another 5 hours until I wasn't even able to lift a thing with that hand anymore. So you're saying I should move my hand around within boundaries that don't hurt? To increase blood flow I guess? Is there anything else I can do to speed up the healing process? I wanna start working and going to the gym again.. Yes. I am not sure what is actually injured so I don't know if you can speed up the healing process or not. If your joint is out of alignment you might try some simple distraction with your opposite hand to see if that helps. Otherwise some other specific types of mobilizations might help. If the cartilage is damaged then well you may have some lasting issues without surgery, but that's a big if. Could potentially just be a bunch of inflammation from nothing too.
First off, thanks for being awesome and helping many people out. While it doesn't replace the walk to the doctor it gives one a feeling of security~
Here are the results from the MRT: (they're in german obviously so I have to translate them, hope I get all the medical terms right)
Regular articulation of the carpus, minor effusion in the dist. radioulnar joint, no indication of a bruise edema.
The discus triangularis shows a 4mm in diameter circular defect at the radial origin, existing link to the distal radioulnar joint. The processus styloideus ulnae is intact, mucoid swellings of the discus triangularis at the ulnar origin are to be found.
The german version that might make more sense:
+ Show Spoiler +Regulaere Articulation der Carpalia, geringer Erguss im distalen Radioulnargelenk, kein Hinweis auf Contusionsoedem.
Der Diskus triangularis zeigt am radialen Ansatz einen 4 mm im Durchmesser haltender Lochdefekt, es besteht Verbindung zum Radioulnargelenk. Der Processus styloideus ulnae ist intakt, es finden sich mukoide Verquellungen des Diskus trinagularis am ulnaren Ansatz.
I guess I won't need surgery and just have to wait it out? Do you still advise trying to move that joint a bit? Have to wai till monday until I can go see the doctor.
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Regular articulation of the carpus, minor effusion in the dist. radioulnar joint, no indication of a bruise edema.
The discus triangularis shows a 4mm in diameter circular defect at the radial origin, existing link to the distal radioulnar joint. The processus styloideus ulnae is intact, mucoid swellings of the discus triangularis at the ulnar origin are to be found.
Looks like you have a defect in the TFCC... whether it's a tear or not... not a clue. But it is probably the issue of the swelling around the disc and in that space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_fibrocartilage
May require surgery, might not. You'll have to check back with your ortho.
It's possible for it to potentially resolve with good rehab though
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On August 09 2012 12:00 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 09:56 decafchicken wrote:On August 08 2012 09:29 eshlow wrote:On August 03 2012 13:24 decafchicken wrote:On August 03 2012 12:21 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 13:38 decafchicken wrote:Bah my right knee is still being annoying. Usually all the problems are on the left side of my body ~~ 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. -It's in the back of the knee, where the calf and hamstring muscles would appear to end/meet 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. -Twisting type movements cause a somewhat sharp pain. Noticeable when i have to catch a clean in a position that requires some sideways knee/ankle bending. Other than that there is sometimes a dull ache. Sometimes noticeable while sprinting. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? -see above + Show Spoiler +4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
-dull pain probably a 1-2. twisting pain ~4.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Sometime in the last 8 weeks i'd say, on and off. at the pendlay meet ~3 weeks ago i don't remember thinking about it at all.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
-uhh yeah. non stop lol. Can still squat and oly lift relatively fine once i am warmed up. Can still hit near max #s
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
-The ache seems to feel more near the surface/less deep and the twisting pain a bit deeper
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
-Squatting(probably not helping) and pounding fish oil and foam rolling IT band/hamstrings/calves
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
-Once i warm it up doing stuff like bodyweight squats and what not its usually fine for a while. Might start hurting later in workout depending on how the lifts go and how heavy.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
-A bit tight perhaps but i've been stretching and rolling to help losen them up, they're still flexible though. No swelling or reduction in movement or tenderness
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
-Dull aches on/off. Usually doesnt bother me at beginning or end of day, hit or miss with end of workout. usually an ache or two while i'm sitting at work.
12. Any previous injury history?
-Nope
13. How's your posture?
-Excellent while standing. meh while sitting.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
-oly lifting (duh) and rugby. doesnt usually bother me during rugby and i haven't played a lot this summer and can't think of any unusual trauma to it lol, not giving me much to work with here... Have you tried some soft tissue work to your popliteus, and upper heads of your gastroc already? Also, take a stick to your plantar fascia to loosen some posterior chain fascia up Hmm saw some guys using golf ball to roll out their feet this weekend, i'll try that. Been doing some soft tissue work to popliteus/gastrocs with foam roller and self massage Looking at this picture i'd say the ache is around the PCL Hmmm. There's not much in the way of muscles around the PCL It could be something if the meniscus was jacked, or the joint is a bit tight from some minor swelling. Let's see what happens with the soft tissue work. Been a lot better since i got my knee sleeves Well, that's good. Knee brace helps to compress things and warm them up, so that can help instability, tendonitis, and some other maladies as well. Still kind of a crapshoot unless you wanna get it checked out
Yeah i'll just file it with my left petalla tendonitis under "shit i can train through for now" American open is only 4 months out!
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On August 11 2012 11:56 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:00 eshlow wrote:On August 09 2012 09:56 decafchicken wrote:On August 08 2012 09:29 eshlow wrote:On August 03 2012 13:24 decafchicken wrote:On August 03 2012 12:21 eshlow wrote:On August 02 2012 13:38 decafchicken wrote:Bah my right knee is still being annoying. Usually all the problems are on the left side of my body ~~ 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. -It's in the back of the knee, where the calf and hamstring muscles would appear to end/meet 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. -Twisting type movements cause a somewhat sharp pain. Noticeable when i have to catch a clean in a position that requires some sideways knee/ankle bending. Other than that there is sometimes a dull ache. Sometimes noticeable while sprinting. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? -see above + Show Spoiler +4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
-dull pain probably a 1-2. twisting pain ~4.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Sometime in the last 8 weeks i'd say, on and off. at the pendlay meet ~3 weeks ago i don't remember thinking about it at all.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
-uhh yeah. non stop lol. Can still squat and oly lift relatively fine once i am warmed up. Can still hit near max #s
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
-The ache seems to feel more near the surface/less deep and the twisting pain a bit deeper
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
-Squatting(probably not helping) and pounding fish oil and foam rolling IT band/hamstrings/calves
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
-Once i warm it up doing stuff like bodyweight squats and what not its usually fine for a while. Might start hurting later in workout depending on how the lifts go and how heavy.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
-A bit tight perhaps but i've been stretching and rolling to help losen them up, they're still flexible though. No swelling or reduction in movement or tenderness
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
-Dull aches on/off. Usually doesnt bother me at beginning or end of day, hit or miss with end of workout. usually an ache or two while i'm sitting at work.
12. Any previous injury history?
-Nope
13. How's your posture?
-Excellent while standing. meh while sitting.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
-oly lifting (duh) and rugby. doesnt usually bother me during rugby and i haven't played a lot this summer and can't think of any unusual trauma to it lol, not giving me much to work with here... Have you tried some soft tissue work to your popliteus, and upper heads of your gastroc already? Also, take a stick to your plantar fascia to loosen some posterior chain fascia up Hmm saw some guys using golf ball to roll out their feet this weekend, i'll try that. Been doing some soft tissue work to popliteus/gastrocs with foam roller and self massage Looking at this picture i'd say the ache is around the PCL Hmmm. There's not much in the way of muscles around the PCL It could be something if the meniscus was jacked, or the joint is a bit tight from some minor swelling. Let's see what happens with the soft tissue work. Been a lot better since i got my knee sleeves Well, that's good. Knee brace helps to compress things and warm them up, so that can help instability, tendonitis, and some other maladies as well. Still kind of a crapshoot unless you wanna get it checked out Yeah i'll just file it with my left petalla tendonitis under "shit i can train through for now" American open is only 4 months out!
One thing you can try is a fibular head mobilization... you can generally do it in yourself too.
Search for some on youtube. It might help with some posterior knee type issues, but it might not. Worth a shot.
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OK so this is now turning into enough of a problem that I'm calling it a proper injury.
Basically I did dips... Two weeks ago. First time in a while. I had done deadlifts and chins prior so no proper chest warmup but overall I was pretty warm. Basically I managed 7 reps and then I had to stop because my chest was hurting too much, the sternum. The day after the pain had mostly moved to my right peck/tit, though still pretty close to the sternum.
After that I went on a short vacation, no lifting for something like a week and just getting wasted every day. Chest didn't bother me alot, just something that was there whenever I lifted my right arm or laid on my side in bed. Last friday as well as this monday two days ago I did only legs because I accidentally pulled my arm friday morning, so basically no chest lifts for two weeks.
The deadlifts seem to have done something though because my chest is really stiff and hurts quite a bit now whenever I try to stretch it. Pain has moved back to right in the middle of my chest. Hurts when I apply pressure.
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If it is relevant, I've had chest pains for about 2-3 years now whenever I spend a day forgetting to sit up straight or sleep curled up. Basically I need to keep my chest stretched out all the time or I get this sharp, throbbing pain right through my torso.
For the past year or so, ever since I started working out, it has not been nearly as bad and I've occasionally gotten away with bad posture just giving me some slight pain for a couple minutes, but since this dips-thing it's started getting worse again.
edit: Read second half of OP .p
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1TjC9.png)
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
Downward pressing hurts, raising right arm and turning my head completely either way makes it worse, as does flexing pecks or moving shoulders back completely
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Sharp
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
3-4
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Got it two weeks ago, got worse the day before yesterday when I deadlifted and did leg curls
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
2 weeks, only squats and deadlifts though, no chest
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Right behind the sternum
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Avoiding chest exercices
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
If I don't mess with it for a while the pain lessens, ie lying down for a while. Pushing on sternum or flexing chest makes it worse. Constant.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Nothing noticeable
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Pain goes up to 5-6 after exercise, slightly harder to breathe. Pretty painful in the morning, less so in the evening.
12. Any previous injury history?
Back injury, nothing serious
13. How's your posture?
Good, think about it all day
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Dips, bench press, chins, compounds. No sports.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
See spoiler above. Also I've been living with a friend since monday, sleeping on an inflatable matress.
Don't really wanna go to a doctor because I'm basically paying him $50 for telling me to not exercise for a couple weeks.
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On August 15 2012 16:32 Osmoses wrote:OK so this is now turning into enough of a problem that I'm calling it a proper injury. Basically I did dips... Two weeks ago. First time in a while. I had done deadlifts and chins prior so no proper chest warmup but overall I was pretty warm. Basically I managed 7 reps and then I had to stop because my chest was hurting too much, the sternum. The day after the pain had mostly moved to my right peck/tit, though still pretty close to the sternum. After that I went on a short vacation, no lifting for something like a week and just getting wasted every day. Chest didn't bother me alot, just something that was there whenever I lifted my right arm or laid on my side in bed. Last friday as well as this monday two days ago I did only legs because I accidentally pulled my arm friday morning, so basically no chest lifts for two weeks. + Show Spoiler +The deadlifts seem to have done something though because my chest is really stiff and hurts quite a bit now whenever I try to stretch it. Pain has moved back to right in the middle of my chest. Hurts when I apply pressure. + Show Spoiler +
If it is relevant, I've had chest pains for about 2-3 years now whenever I spend a day forgetting to sit up straight or sleep curled up. Basically I need to keep my chest stretched out all the time or I get this sharp, throbbing pain right through my torso.
For the past year or so, ever since I started working out, it has not been nearly as bad and I've occasionally gotten away with bad posture just giving me some slight pain for a couple minutes, but since this dips-thing it's started getting worse again.
edit: Read second half of OP .p 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. Downward pressing hurts, raising right arm and turning my head completely either way makes it worse, as does flexing pecks or moving shoulders back completely 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 3-4 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Got it two weeks ago, got worse the day before yesterday when I deadlifted and did leg curls 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? 2 weeks, only squats and deadlifts though, no chest 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. Right behind the sternum 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Avoiding chest exercices 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? If I don't mess with it for a while the pain lessens, ie lying down for a while. Pushing on sternum or flexing chest makes it worse. Constant. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing noticeable 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Pain goes up to 5-6 after exercise, slightly harder to breathe. Pretty painful in the morning, less so in the evening. 12. Any previous injury history? Back injury, nothing serious 13. How's your posture? Good, think about it all day 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Dips, bench press, chins, compounds. No sports. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? See spoiler above. Also I've been living with a friend since monday, sleeping on an inflatable matress. Don't really wanna go to a doctor because I'm basically paying him $50 for telling me to not exercise for a couple weeks.
This is my guess:
costochondritis / tietze syndrome:
+ Show Spoiler +So you can give yourself costcondritis/tietze syndrome/etc. by aggravating your costal cartilages by doing this.
Since the origin of the pecs is on the sternum and partially on the costal cartilages, if you haven't used your chest in resistance trainig much before the connective tissues aren't as strong. Thus, when you do a deep movement where you really stretch out the pecs/chest like dips, the origin of the muscle on the costal cartilages can start to pull them away from the costal facets on the sternum
Obviously, this creates inflammation and in general can lead to some popping and hurting.
Best thing you can do is REST AND LET IT HEAL. Take your anti-inflammatories to help decrease inflammation and allow healign to occur. Fish oil is always good. Massage to teh area works as well.
Ice if it helps. Otherwise, once it starts feeling better use heat to stimulate more blood flow to encourage faster healing from the body since the area does not get a lot of blood flow as it is bone/cartilage in that area.
Keep the muscles working through full but non-weight bearing and non-painful range of motion so that the muscles don't tighten up on you, and the muscle movement will also help stimulate blood flow to the area as well.
Usually, if you didn't chronically aggravate you should be able to get back to exercising within a week.
Just avoid the exercise that aggravates it for a while, and focus on other exercises that are less intense of the chest... and then work your way back into these SLOWLY so you don't reaggravate your condition.
However, it could also be rib type dysfunction... you may want to see a physical therapist if possible to see if some of your ribs are out of place.
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Thanks eshlow!
Gonna give it a week of ice and anti-inflammatories and if it's still messed up I'll start throwing money at it.
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1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/90uva.png)
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Ache/sharp, mostly aching.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
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5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th)
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Nothing.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
It feels fine except for during/after workouts.
12. Any previous injury history?
No.
13. How's your posture?
I have good posture.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?
I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form.
Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 
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On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated
1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section
2) See if that sounds right
3) Wait for eshlow's guidance
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