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On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/90uva.png) 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated  1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance
I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure.
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On August 18 2012 01:27 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure.
That's fairly normal. Usually the side that slips is affected will be shorter than the other because of a slip or rotation (not always, but most cases).
See a physiotherapist!
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On August 18 2012 07:43 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 01:27 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure. That's fairly normal. Usually the side that slips is affected will be shorter than the other because of a slip or rotation (not always, but most cases). See a physiotherapist!
I can't afford to go to a doctor so I am just doing the home remedy. Question though, how often should I do it? And how do I know if it worked besides going to the gym? Because the only time it hurts is directly after.
Edit: I did the leg test again and they are exactly the same length now, do you think I'm fine to go to the gym again monday to atleast see how I feel?
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On August 18 2012 11:28 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 07:43 eshlow wrote:On August 18 2012 01:27 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure. That's fairly normal. Usually the side that slips is affected will be shorter than the other because of a slip or rotation (not always, but most cases). See a physiotherapist! I can't afford to go to a doctor so I am just doing the home remedy. Question though, how often should I do it? And how do I know if it worked besides going to the gym? Because the only time it hurts is directly after. Edit: I did the leg test again and they are exactly the same length now, do you think I'm fine to go to the gym again monday to atleast see how I feel?
You can always try to...
And I didn't say to go to a doctor I said to go to a physical therapist. A good chiro can potentially help you as well. No need to see the doc in this instance
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On August 18 2012 22:33 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 11:28 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 07:43 eshlow wrote:On August 18 2012 01:27 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure. That's fairly normal. Usually the side that slips is affected will be shorter than the other because of a slip or rotation (not always, but most cases). See a physiotherapist! I can't afford to go to a doctor so I am just doing the home remedy. Question though, how often should I do it? And how do I know if it worked besides going to the gym? Because the only time it hurts is directly after. Edit: I did the leg test again and they are exactly the same length now, do you think I'm fine to go to the gym again monday to atleast see how I feel? You can always try to... And I didn't say to go to a doctor I said to go to a physical therapist. A good chiro can potentially help you as well. No need to see the doc in this instance
Sorry thats what I meant when I said doctor. If it doesn't get any better I guess I will have to go but I'll see how I feel monday.
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Okay.
So I have a history of shoulder dislocations and subsequent rotator cuff minor tears. I dislocated it first (falling on ice, arm twisted beneath my back) when I was 17 (10 years ago) and then tore it over a year later when someone pulled on my arm really hard, a few months later a full dislocation going tubing on a lake (hit a big wave), and finally just over 2 years later playing touch football (big fat guy just ran right through me, dislocated and went back in a minute later; the previous two times I had to go to the hospital).
The last dislocation was therefore about 7 years ago, but since then I've had minor injuries due to general wear and tear.
My shoulder has strengthened significantly since I started lifting weights, but it still poses a problem occasionally.
Anyway, my question is: two weeks ago I tweaked it a bit, and I want to stop doing all exercises that directly affect it. It feels better one morning and then I do something during the day and it hurts again for another day or two. Rinse repeat for two weeks. I want to isolate it as best as I can until it's close to being fully healed.
So no benching, cleaning, and OHP, right? Can I still do deadlifts, bent over rows, squats? When I tried squats on Monday the stretching of my arm to grip the bar was a bit painful, but I wonder if that kind of stretching might be beneficial? I'm really itching to lift SOME weight if I can, but obviously I don't want to cause further injury. 
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2012 11:55 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 01:32 Malinor wrote:On July 22 2012 12:40 eshlow wrote:On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/srOSz.png) (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KGxF6.png) Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here? Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town. Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up.I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case. Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially. Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do. Can you advice me some exercises to increase internal hip rotation? I looked around a bit but to be honest did not find much that I thought made sense. Was way easier to find stuff for external rotation. Top row with the leg going out: https://www.google.com/search?q=hip internal rotation stretch And yes, there's a lot of incorrect pictures there too
Alright, I am freaking out a little bit right now. First of all, my behaviour seems to have little to absolutely no effect on my injury. 3weeks of rest didn't help at all. And given that 2 weeks before I only used the elliptical and the two weeks afterwards I have only used a stationary bike, I really don't know what to do.
What worries me way more though is that I measured my legs 2-3 inches above my knee (basically where the quadriceps is fully developed, and there is like a 4cm difference between both legs (my latest measurement is ~63cm vs 59cm). It is actually visible while looking from the front that my left quad is just way bigger. Now my left biceps is also like 1cm bigger than the right one (like 44cm:43cm), but 4cm? I suspect that there is some local atrophy going on... I mean it feels like a fucking strain and I am not even thirty years old, somehow it should have healed itself by now, it cannot be that this thing needs like 2 months of no movement to heal (and noone even has recommended that to me, but the light exercises don't help anything at all either). I don't know what to think anymore.
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On August 21 2012 21:25 SoleSteeler wrote:Okay. So I have a history of shoulder dislocations and subsequent rotator cuff minor tears. I dislocated it first (falling on ice, arm twisted beneath my back) when I was 17 (10 years ago) and then tore it over a year later when someone pulled on my arm really hard, a few months later a full dislocation going tubing on a lake (hit a big wave), and finally just over 2 years later playing touch football (big fat guy just ran right through me, dislocated and went back in a minute later; the previous two times I had to go to the hospital). The last dislocation was therefore about 7 years ago, but since then I've had minor injuries due to general wear and tear. My shoulder has strengthened significantly since I started lifting weights, but it still poses a problem occasionally. Anyway, my question is: two weeks ago I tweaked it a bit, and I want to stop doing all exercises that directly affect it. It feels better one morning and then I do something during the day and it hurts again for another day or two. Rinse repeat for two weeks. I want to isolate it as best as I can until it's close to being fully healed. So no benching, cleaning, and OHP, right? Can I still do deadlifts, bent over rows, squats? When I tried squats on Monday the stretching of my arm to grip the bar was a bit painful, but I wonder if that kind of stretching might be beneficial? I'm really itching to lift SOME weight if I can, but obviously I don't want to cause further injury.
Nothing that aggravates it.
It also depends on what type of dislocation problem you have on what you should be doing for rehab... hence why I can't suggest anything specifically except for rotator cuff work....
If you don't know I would suggest getting it evaled by a orthopedic doc or physical therapist if possible just so you know what you're dealing with and proper rehab can be planned around it.
Stretching is NOT beneficial for recently dislocated limbs. Non-painful mobility and stabilization training and then continue with that into isolation strength training is what you want to be doing....
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On August 22 2012 05:47 Malinor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2012 11:55 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 01:32 Malinor wrote:On July 22 2012 12:40 eshlow wrote:On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here? Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town. Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up.I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case. Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially. Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do. Can you advice me some exercises to increase internal hip rotation? I looked around a bit but to be honest did not find much that I thought made sense. Was way easier to find stuff for external rotation. Top row with the leg going out: https://www.google.com/search?q=hip internal rotation stretch And yes, there's a lot of incorrect pictures there too Alright, I am freaking out a little bit right now. First of all, my behaviour seems to have little to absolutely no effect on my injury. 3weeks of rest didn't help at all. And given that 2 weeks before I only used the elliptical and the two weeks afterwards I have only used a stationary bike, I really don't know what to do. What worries me way more though is that I measured my legs 2-3 inches above my knee (basically where the quadriceps is fully developed, and there is like a 4cm difference between both legs (my latest measurement is ~63cm vs 59cm). It is actually visible while looking from the front that my left quad is just way bigger. Now my left biceps is also like 1cm bigger than the right one (like 44cm:43cm), but 4cm? I suspect that there is some local atrophy going on... I mean it feels like a fucking strain and I am not even thirty years old, somehow it should have healed itself by now, it cannot be that this thing needs like 2 months of no movement to heal (and noone even has recommended that to me, but the light exercises don't help anything at all either). I don't know what to think anymore.
Pure rest does not usually help injuries that have kind of festered for a bit.
Would very strongly suggest going to see a physical therapist about this.
Doctor doing physiotherapy (as in modalities) is not that great.
I don't have enough details but it seems like something is probably going on up in your pelvis making it unstable and it's showing up moreso in your thigh/knee area. That is what tends to happen if things don't resolve down in the thigh/knee with rest since it can't be overuse since you've rested, and you're thrown a ton of soft tissue work at it and it's still not resolving. Thus, likely culprit is up higher somewhere not at the point(s) of pain.
You need a professional to figure it out.
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On August 22 2012 09:47 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 05:47 Malinor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2012 11:55 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 01:32 Malinor wrote:On July 22 2012 12:40 eshlow wrote:On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here? Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town. Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up.I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case. Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially. Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do. Can you advice me some exercises to increase internal hip rotation? I looked around a bit but to be honest did not find much that I thought made sense. Was way easier to find stuff for external rotation. Top row with the leg going out: https://www.google.com/search?q=hip internal rotation stretch And yes, there's a lot of incorrect pictures there too Alright, I am freaking out a little bit right now. First of all, my behaviour seems to have little to absolutely no effect on my injury. 3weeks of rest didn't help at all. And given that 2 weeks before I only used the elliptical and the two weeks afterwards I have only used a stationary bike, I really don't know what to do. What worries me way more though is that I measured my legs 2-3 inches above my knee (basically where the quadriceps is fully developed, and there is like a 4cm difference between both legs (my latest measurement is ~63cm vs 59cm). It is actually visible while looking from the front that my left quad is just way bigger. Now my left biceps is also like 1cm bigger than the right one (like 44cm:43cm), but 4cm? I suspect that there is some local atrophy going on... I mean it feels like a fucking strain and I am not even thirty years old, somehow it should have healed itself by now, it cannot be that this thing needs like 2 months of no movement to heal (and noone even has recommended that to me, but the light exercises don't help anything at all either). I don't know what to think anymore. Pure rest does not usually help injuries that have kind of festered for a bit. Would very strongly suggest going to see a physical therapist about this. Doctor doing physiotherapy (as in modalities) is not that great. I don't have enough details but it seems like something is probably going on up in your pelvis making it unstable and it's showing up moreso in your thigh/knee area. That is what tends to happen if things don't resolve down in the thigh/knee with rest since it can't be overuse since you've rested, and you're thrown a ton of soft tissue work at it and it's still not resolving. Thus, likely culprit is up higher somewhere not at the point(s) of pain. You need a professional to figure it out.
Thanks. I know you cannot diagnose this over the internet, I am just trying to get as many opinions as I can at the moment. I have another physical therapist have a look at it next week, but I can't see a doctor again after 5 more therapy sessions, so likely mid september. I am alson having trouble finding a chiro in my area, they are not that common over here. Yesterday my train of thought was that it could be some neurological issue, but obviously this is just guessing.
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Hi guys, I was wondering about some injuries of mine. Nothing too painful or alarming, but I should still address them now.
-I've sprained my left foot three times and the right one once.
-dislocated my left shoulder.
-momentarily dislocated the right hand's index finger at the knuckle
-had my neck vertebrae pulled apart via the guillotine (not the execution tool) after which I was unable to turn my neck to either side until I got a neck adjustment. The chiropractor advised me to crack my neck daily, which I do.
-been kicked in the nuts so many times it only stings now.
-pulled various tendons while in the process of striking something with my arms/legs.
-hyperextended the knees, almost to the point of dislocation.
-received a couple of black eyes.
Out of all these injuries, I was only ever treated for some of my foot sprains. I have mild pains at the ends of various muscles; they tend to come for several hours or a day and then go. Frankly, I got used to them, but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do now to treat them or prevent them from worsening if I strain the same connective tissues again.
Also, the skin on my hands has become thick and callused to the point where it is the limiting factor in the flexibility of my fingers. The underside of my foot is even more callused, but there seems to be no downside to this. is there some way I can address this issue in my hands? Don't say a simple lotion, I already use that.
EDIT: Most of these injuries are from when I was less experienced in martial arts. Especially the black eyes 
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Uhhh, with calluses you can shave them down with a file, peel them off in the shower, or whatever.
Not really sure what else you're trying to ask though
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On August 25 2012 08:11 eshlow wrote:
Uhhh, with calluses you can shave them down with a file, peel them off in the shower, or whatever.
Not really sure what else you're trying to ask though
What to do about the tendon pains? I was hoping you guys might know some tricks.
"I'm wondering if there is anything I can do now to treat them or prevent them from worsening if I strain the same connective tissues again."
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On August 26 2012 01:37 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 08:11 eshlow wrote:
Uhhh, with calluses you can shave them down with a file, peel them off in the shower, or whatever.
Not really sure what else you're trying to ask though What to do about the tendon pains? I was hoping you guys might know some tricks. "I'm wondering if there is anything I can do now to treat them or prevent them from worsening if I strain the same connective tissues again."
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/
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So I just made a sandwich, took a bite and my left jaw is making this wierd clicky noise all of the sudden o.o
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On August 26 2012 03:34 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 01:37 Demonhunter04 wrote:On August 25 2012 08:11 eshlow wrote:
Uhhh, with calluses you can shave them down with a file, peel them off in the shower, or whatever.
Not really sure what else you're trying to ask though What to do about the tendon pains? I was hoping you guys might know some tricks. "I'm wondering if there is anything I can do now to treat them or prevent them from worsening if I strain the same connective tissues again." http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/
Thanks.
On August 26 2012 04:56 FlamingForce wrote:
So I just made a sandwich, took a bite and my left jaw is making this wierd clicky noise all of the sudden o.o
Yeah it's happened to me several times. As far as I know, it's fine.
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On August 26 2012 04:56 FlamingForce wrote:
So I just made a sandwich, took a bite and my left jaw is making this wierd clicky noise all of the sudden o.o
Open your mouth as wide as possible and keep trying to open it further for about 5-10 seconds. Repeat a few times after about 20-30 seconds after each rep
Helps to relax the medial pterygoid muscles and masseter/temporalis and facilitate the lateral pterygoid and some of the hyoid muscles. Strong contraction inhibits anatanogists, and then helps relax agonists directly after.
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1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.
Red lines give me sharp pains when I have any hyper extension of the back (or significant contraction of the glutes/hamstrings). Red lines are also a constant dull ache. Blue circle is a sharp pain upon changing positions, as well as starting movement after having been stationary for a while (more than 20 minutes). Both the dull pain from the red lines, as well as all the pain from the blue lines fades the more the day goes on - the more time I spend walking, moving, stretching. The sharp red pains remain no matter what if there's any contraction/extension.
The black circle is where my previous injury was hurting. It was a deep pain, that felt as if it was in the joint, but must have been muscular, because it was significantly improved upon taking (far more than it was smart to take) muscle relaxers and "foam rolling"/digging at the glute with a metal dumbbell handle, as well as changing my sleeping position and improving my sitting posture.
The yellow lines are tracks that I occasionally have shooting pains through, particular when sitting upright. Other than sitting upright, I cannot figure out what triggers these, they just "happen."
2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
Sitting upright is the worst (6-7/10). Changing position/Walking is bad when I begin it,(6/10) but gets gradually easier. There is only a general discomfort by ten minutes into walking (1/10). Any hyperextension is seriously painful no matter the circumstances(8/10 have to stop and catch my breath afterwards). Side bends are similar, but not as severe (4/10). I haven't tried resisted motions, mostly out of fear. Yesterday I could carry my gym bag (~40 pounds) but today I could not carry my school backpack (~7.5 pounds).
Biking is surprisingly very comfortable, and alleviates all but the 1/10 general pressure after about three minutes of doing so.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?
Various; some ache and some sharp on certain motions.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.
See above.
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Original hip injury was the beginning of June; about 10 weeks ago. I had had this mostly recovered from, so long as I stretched properly, foam rolled, was warm and loose. Went to the gym yesterday and could not get loose no matter what I did, but tried to squat anyway, thinking I would stop if things felt "off." Immediately after finishing the first set, the sharp pain began.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
have not lifted since yesterday, but was doing a very touch and go routine with previous injury for almost the entire time.
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.
Sharp (red line) pain feels to be in the muscles right around the spine; tensing those muscles relieves some of the pain. blue circle pain feels deep, like the previous hip injury (joint) but is at a higher location on my hip.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Taking as many ibuprofen as I reasonably can (probably too many) and maintaining movement patterns as normal as possible. Mckenzie exercise feel like wearing an ice pad, remove some of the pain, and all around feel great on the back (so long as my legs don't contract), but bother the right hip. Cat camels are good but not as good. Bird Dogs are uncomfortable but don't hurt.
I'm not even going to consider doing glute bridges.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
It remains relatively constant. Immobility makes it worse, any movement and most muscle contractions in the area helps, except the glutes.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?
No swelling or warmth that I notice. No unusual tightness today, but yesterday everything was tight (before and after the injury) in both the front and back of my hips, and my low back.
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?
Better; worse; better.
12. Any previous injury history?
Knees. My right leg -was- noticeably stronger than my left, until the hip problem (right hip was the one injured) at which point I could not make it produce any force at all for a couple weeks - couldn't even do bodyweight squats.
13. How's your posture?
Pretty good when standing, very slouched when sitting.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Back Squats twice a week and Front Squats one additional time. Clean and Jerk & snatch twice a week (both very light; only learning). Rugby for sport (second row, been doing a LOT of scrumming the last week, but I have a much better back position in the scrum than I ever had last year, so while that might have made something worse, I don't think it was a cause.
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On August 18 2012 22:33 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 11:28 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 07:43 eshlow wrote:On August 18 2012 01:27 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure. That's fairly normal. Usually the side that slips is affected will be shorter than the other because of a slip or rotation (not always, but most cases). See a physiotherapist! I can't afford to go to a doctor so I am just doing the home remedy. Question though, how often should I do it? And how do I know if it worked besides going to the gym? Because the only time it hurts is directly after. Edit: I did the leg test again and they are exactly the same length now, do you think I'm fine to go to the gym again monday to atleast see how I feel? You can always try to... And I didn't say to go to a doctor I said to go to a physical therapist. A good chiro can potentially help you as well. No need to see the doc in this instance
Najda has the same exact problem I have except I have it on both sides (it's been 4 days now). I've been looking around for people who have had the same issue and I came across an intermediate lifter who was doing quarter squats for a long time and started doing parallel squats with heavy weights. That was when he started to feel pain in his hips. As for myself it's just gotta be bad form...
The replies seemed to say that this was normal and it was the price to pay for not doing parallel squats in the first place and that after a week of doing squats in that form people were fine. Any input on that?
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phyre: gonna reply to you in the main thread:
On August 29 2012 11:28 Snuggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 22:33 eshlow wrote:On August 18 2012 11:28 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 07:43 eshlow wrote:On August 18 2012 01:27 Najda wrote:On August 18 2012 01:04 mordek wrote:On August 18 2012 00:42 Najda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. 2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. I noticed it with the squat but it hurts more when I deadlift. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Ache/sharp, mostly aching. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 5 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? I noticed it when I was doing squats wednesday (15th) 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? Trained wednesday and today, although I stopped early today because I didn't want to further the injury. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. I feel like it's rigt where the hip bone meets the sacrum, although more towards the surface. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? It hurts more after I work out but will go away after time. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nothing is tender, it's just a constant dull ache at the moment. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? It feels fine except for during/after workouts. 12. Any previous injury history? No. 13. How's your posture? I have good posture. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Squat every m/w/f, deadlifts on every other workout, so it was on monday and again today. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? I'm thinking it might have something to do with my form on my squat. I was going to do a deload next monday and work back up focusing on my form. Thank you for spending your time to read this any help would be appreciated 1) Check out http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/ especially the SI joint section 2) See if that sounds right 3) Wait for eshlow's guidance I read that and it sounds more like a strain than the SI join problem. I did the leg test and my right leg is slightly longer than the left (like <1cm) but the pain is in the left. Also, the pain is slightly above the SI area I think, though it's hard to be sure. That's fairly normal. Usually the side that slips is affected will be shorter than the other because of a slip or rotation (not always, but most cases). See a physiotherapist! I can't afford to go to a doctor so I am just doing the home remedy. Question though, how often should I do it? And how do I know if it worked besides going to the gym? Because the only time it hurts is directly after. Edit: I did the leg test again and they are exactly the same length now, do you think I'm fine to go to the gym again monday to atleast see how I feel? You can always try to... And I didn't say to go to a doctor I said to go to a physical therapist. A good chiro can potentially help you as well. No need to see the doc in this instance Najda has the same exact problem I have except I have it on both sides (it's been 4 days now). I've been looking around for people who have had the same issue and I came across an intermediate lifter who was doing quarter squats for a long time and started doing parallel squats with heavy weights. That was when he started to feel pain in his hips. As for myself it's just gotta be bad form... The replies seemed to say that this was normal and it was the price to pay for not doing parallel squats in the first place and that after a week of doing squats in that form people were fine. Any input on that?
It really depends what the issues are. The pelvis is a complex place so there are any number of things that can "go wrong" at any one time... people tend to also "break" in different places depending on muscles, bones, ligaments, etc. and specific postural and biomechanical dysfunctions.
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