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This is both easy and hard. It's pretty easy in that the possibilities are easier to be narrowed down - not much funny business goes on underwater, and hard because everything I can think of doesn't fit.
Here's a cute hypothesis I worked out, although I think some of the newer answers invalidate it.
A ship was sinking and a man discovered the number of lifeboats would be insufficient to save all the passengers. Knowing women and children would be given priority, he took advantage of the chaos to kill a woman in one of the cabins and steal her dress. Since he had a slight build, he pulled off the impersonation and was saved.
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By underwater, could the room be below decks in a cruise ship, submarine, or some other ship?
Was the second crime committed somewhere only a woman would normally have access to?
Did the killer need a female disguise specifically or did he just want to appear as the opposite sex?
Was the second crime in a place where possible witnesses or video surveillance could identify women's clothing but not be close enough to identify if the wearer is actually female?
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Is the room capable of moving?
Does the woman have any bruises? scars?
Are there people other than the woman and the murderer nearby?
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On July 17 2010 04:25 tissue wrote: A ship was sinking and a man discovered the number of lifeboats would be insufficient to save all the passengers. Knowing women and children would be given priority, he took advantage of the chaos to kill a woman in one of the cabins and steal her dress. Since he had a slight build, he pulled off the impersonation and was saved.
Nice!! Still missing something so I'll parse it.
Was a ship sinking? Yes.
Were there insufficient lifeboats? Yes.
Did women and children have priority Yes.
Did he kill a woman in a cabin Yes.
Did murderer steal her dress Interpret: clothing for women Yes.
Did murderer have a slight build No.
Did he pull off the impersonation to be saved. Yes.
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Hopefully we get the this done before Friday night starts. I will have to say present tense and past tense are very important in the questions that have been asked so far. So be very careful how questions are ask.
Some questions have been vague and I answered them with a simple yes or no to the best of my abilities.
By underwater, could is the room be below decks in a cruise ship, submarine, or some other ship? Yes.
Was the second crime committed somewhere only a woman would normally have access to? No
Did the killer need a female disguise specifically? Yes
Was the second crime in a place where possible witnesses or video surveillance could identify women's clothing but not be close enough to identify if the wearer is actually female? No
Is the room capable of moving? No.
Does the woman have any bruises? scars? Yes - No
Are there people other than the woman and the murderer nearby? Yes.
Was the murderer hired/ordered to kill this woman? No.
does this involve government agencies? No.
military? No.
Did the murderer commit a crime before killing this woman? No.
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I would have called it solved on Tissue's hypothesis personally, but what were looking for is basically more specificity at this point.
Playing the game by the book you are missing two specific points.
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the boat is sinking, but he doesn't commit the 2nd crime shortly after the first? I don't understand how that is possible...
The other part I can't figure out is how does someone murder without an opened wound, suffocation, or poison...Can someone be beat to death without bleeding?
Was she killed with something you would normally find on a ship?
Was she trampled to death?
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I'll take over if you have to go TanGeng.
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the boat is sinking, but he doesn't commit the 2nd crime shortly after the first? I don't understand how that is possible... Semantics of very soon. I neglected to add a note there. Very soon in this case was interpreted to be within 15 minutes.
The other part I can't figure out is how does someone murder without an opened wound, suffocation, or poison...Can someone be beat to death without bleeding? Blunt force trauma, internal bleeding, or nerve damage.
Was she killed with something you would normally find on a ship? Interpret: normally - something necessary or relevant in operating a ship No.
Normally is a word that I would recommend not be used when asking a question.
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Was she trampled to death? No.
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ZapRoffo,
Can you take over? Or you could just declare it solved.
I'm pretty much going to be out for the rest of the night.
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Hmm, still missing the second crime...
Did someone else die as a consequence of the second crime?(Could be by drowning because she didn't get on a lifeboat)
Was the target of the second crime male or female?
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OK.
My interpretation is slightly different.
I disagree that there is a second crime (other than stealing her clothes and impersonating someone?). The method of murdering is also not relevant.
Actually I'm going to declare it solved by Tissue, because I believe the rest is nitpicking. The little details you missed were that the ship was the Titanic (I was going to direct your attention to the "did it happen at night?" question) and that he also stole a wig.
The murder took place on the Titanic. The dead woman is in her cabin, inside the ship at the bottom of the ocean. When the ship began sinking, it was announced that the woman and children would be first to board the lifeboats. This didn't sit well with a cowering creep named Kurt. Determined to stay alive, Kurt decided to disguise himself as a woman.
Feverishly searching the slanted deck for a lady his own size, Kurt spotted a large chorus girl wearing a blonde wig. He cornered the woman in her cabin and insisted that she disrobe and de-wig. When she resisted, he persisted and crowned her with a "bon voyage" champagne bottle. He then dressed in drag and headed for the lifeboats. The murdered woman went down with the ship. The murderer escaped, but was later consumed with guilt and flipped his wig.
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Okay, in that case I guess I'll go to sleep now.
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I have to say, tissue is quite good at this.
Anyone want to answer for the next one? Also, I had this idea too...would anyone like to try to tell their own, make one up at some point?
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I'd quite enjoy making a mystery up although i don't think i'd be able to commit to length of time being constantly at the thread to answer questions on it, depends on circumstance though.
and tissue aint all that, i can take him 1on1 xD
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I have an idea for one right now.
Give me half an hour or so to sort out the details.
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On July 17 2010 08:38 XeliN wrote: I'd quite enjoy making a mystery up although i don't think i'd be able to commit to length of time being constantly at the thread to answer questions on it, depends on circumstance though.
and tissue aint all that, i can take him 1on1 xD
XeliN has a knack for breakthrough questions too, I have to give you that.
Turning it over to 4iner, who will be our first guinea pig in the making up your own trial. Some advice: have the whole story developed (writing it out will help) before you begin answering questions, this way you won't accidentally contradict yourself. If you realize a flaw while we are in the middle and you have a good correction in mind, make sure you go back and post corrections to previous answers and let us know you have done that.
If you want a second opinion on the logical-ness/consistency/interesting-ness before you start, you can optionally PM me your story and I'll look it over.
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While I try to come up with a good story, here's a brainteaser I madeup. It's like the others, only more simple and easier:
Matt walks out of a building, stretches a bit, then runs east for 10 minutes. He slows down to a walk, spots the door he came out of, then walks back inside.
How is this possible?
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He lives on the South Pole.
Edit: Actually, he can live anywhere within a circle with the center point at the North OR South Pole that has an equivalent circumference of a ten minute run or any multiplier thereof (10/2, 10/3 etc etc.)
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