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On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition?
Of course ghosts would have been good, Losira had most of his Queens in a pile (hard to spread off creep) so a few EMPs would be wonderful. Queens are also psionic so snipe does bonus damage.
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I'm not really a Zerg fan but that was an amazing play by Losira these ultras are so sexy...
with the creep you need to turtle and go mech...
or being aggressive earlier
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With that much gas and idle starport, basically raven costed only 150 mineral = 100 for raven itself, and 50 for a tech lab. 3 less marines, sure, but I think 1 raven would have been more useful at that point.
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On January 29 2013 19:07 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Ghosts against ultras? Are you serious?
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On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote:
Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison.
...that was an SC2 cutscene...
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2 base timing doesnt mean all in, im talking about something around the 10-12 that hits the Z hard enough.
Im not talking about 2 base marine tank -_-
hellion marauder marine, banshee hellion, they all hit around the same timing which will give you a shot in the long run. I havent seen this 3 base macro game ever working against a Z who doesnt make mistakes.
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On January 29 2013 19:08 Windows 7 wrote:Show nested quote +And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. Would ghosts have worked?
Can be good to deal with Infestors/Queens since you're not blocked by Broodlings, but he had neither time nor resources to tech them anyway.
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On January 29 2013 19:09 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote:
Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison. ...that was an SC2 cutscene...
Made my day
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On January 29 2013 19:08 Windows 7 wrote:Show nested quote +And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. Would ghosts have worked?
NO because ghosts are both super costly and at the same time super inneffective against everything besides infestors. Ryung had the perfect composition. And to those who keep yelling raven, hed have to rebuild that raven 10 times over with the amount of infestors on the map.
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On January 29 2013 19:09 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Ghosts against ultras? Are you serious?
lol this is cool.
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On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote:
Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison.
...but that was sc2
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On January 29 2013 19:09 Douillos wrote:
2 base timing doesnt mean all in, im talking about something around the 10-12 that hits the Z hard enough.
Im not talking about 2 base marine tank -_-
hellion marauder marine, banshee hellion, they all hit around the same timing which will give you a shot in the long run. I havent seen this 3 base macro game ever working against a Z who doesnt make mistakes.
Watch Startale Bomber's TvZ.
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On January 29 2013 19:08 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:05 Douillos wrote:
Positional play is just useless in zvt. It's a fast paced matchup where you HAVE to hit the Z hard in the midgame to have a chance. this 3cc shit never turns out well for Terran.
That why bogus (Innovation) did so well. You HAVE to hit a 2 base timing that wins you the game. This is just not true, Bomber never does 2 base timings and he wrecks Zerg.
Yeah i was thinkiong of bomber but havent seen any of his games lately.
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On January 29 2013 19:07 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:05 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 Snusmumriken wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. Ryung had a huge build-order advantage. He had his third finished before losira even started his. Doesnt matter. But LosirA had his 4th and 5th bases done and Ryung could never secure a third mining base. If you're going to press your 3rd base advantage you have to keep the Zerg on a maximum of 4 bases while pressuring THEM. LosirA was the one doing all the pressure. Ryung could never go on offense. Whenever he'd move out LosirA would kill an army while not losing all of his Ultralisks which just allowed him to keep expanding and keep making Banelings and Infestors. And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking.
Well for starters I would have reccomended he be out on the map earlier so as to deny the creep earlier. With that 3 base economy going for him he could afford to actually trade units at that point which would also keep the Zerg from just freely expanding safely behind the creep spread. Instead Ryung just kind of sat in his base and let LosirA do whatever he wanted until 2/2 was done.
I personally would've gone Mech after the first game and forced LosirA to beat me with a different unit composition. That same midgame strategy would've been slaughtered by a Mech army.
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On January 29 2013 19:10 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:09 Die4Ever wrote:On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote:
Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison. ...that was an SC2 cutscene... Made my day
Mine too. 
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On January 29 2013 19:09 OptimusYale wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote:
Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison. That was taken out of SC2 cinematics.......
Todays LR is just next level funny...
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On January 29 2013 19:10 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:08 Windows 7 wrote:Tell me how you're supposed to pressure Ultralisks armies on creep?
And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. Would ghosts have worked? NO because ghosts are both super costly and at the same time super inneffective against everything besides infestors. Ryung had the perfect composition. And to those who keep yelling raven, hed have to rebuild that raven 10 times over with the amount of infestors on the map.
You don't need 20 ghosts for crying out loud, make a few to EMP the infestors / queen. They're a supplementary unit, not a mass a-move unit.
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On January 29 2013 19:09 Douillos wrote:
2 base timing doesnt mean all in, im talking about something around the 10-12 that hits the Z hard enough.
Im not talking about 2 base marine tank -_-
hellion marauder marine, banshee hellion, they all hit around the same timing which will give you a shot in the long run. I havent seen this 3 base macro game ever working against a Z who doesnt make mistakes.
I haven't seen a 2 base timing work against a Z who doesn't make mistakes.
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hope PartinG wins this one so I can see Losira's ZvP now :3
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