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On January 29 2013 19:10 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:08 Windows 7 wrote:Tell me how you're supposed to pressure Ultralisks armies on creep?
And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. Would ghosts have worked? NO because ghosts are both super costly and at the same time super inneffective against everything besides infestors. Ryung had the perfect composition. And to those who keep yelling raven, hed have to rebuild that raven 10 times over with the amount of infestors on the map.
reminds me of the time when ghosts just pew-pewed everything and I mean everything
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On January 29 2013 19:10 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:09 Die4Ever wrote:On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote:
Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison. ...that was an SC2 cutscene... Made my day
lol mine too!
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On January 29 2013 19:11 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:09 Douillos wrote:
2 base timing doesnt mean all in, im talking about something around the 10-12 that hits the Z hard enough. You really think people don't know what a timing is? Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:09 Douillos wrote:
hellion marauder marine, banshee hellion, they all hit around the same timing which will give you a shot in the long run. I havent seen this 3 base macro game ever working against a Z who doesnt make mistakes. Hellions/Banshees is not a 2-bases timing at all...
Yeah my use of the word timing was probably not the best. What im trying to say is that I find the 3 CC builds to be too passive. As pointed before, 2-2 timings dont work, endgame is just stupid, so when are you going to push out?
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On January 29 2013 19:09 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Ghosts against ultras? Are you serious? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hynLG.gif)
Let's hope GhostKingPrime lives up to his name^^
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On January 29 2013 19:12 eGoRama wrote:hahah what did he say :D
he said that i am watching the gsl and it is the global standard
i think gom is taking their dedication to the next level by having life talk to me and me alone
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On January 29 2013 19:09 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Ghosts against ultras? Are you serious?
Although its funny:
I would edit this out, I think they don't want to see that in here
Ghosts would have been a huge investment and i don't think they would have been worth it as they die in every battle since you could maybe snipe/EMP 1-2 queens but not micro back, because they don't have STIM. They would have been good against infestors as well but I'm not sure if microing, sieging, moving back and forward, sniping hatcheries, scouting didn't occupy enough of Ryungs attention.
If he goes for cloak and emp and snipe as welll... well we'll find out in future games, as Ruyng will definately learn his lessons
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On January 29 2013 19:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hope PartinG wins this one so I can see Losira's ZvP now :3 don't worry you can see if after byun goes 4-0 and ryung 0-4 amirite ;D
Only a terrible person would root for Ryung to go 0-4
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random thing I noticed when doing the game length stats on liquipedia, Byun won both the longest (1:32:06) and shortest (6:06) matches of the up and down matches
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On January 29 2013 19:11 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:10 Snusmumriken wrote:On January 29 2013 19:08 Windows 7 wrote:Tell me how you're supposed to pressure Ultralisks armies on creep?
And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. Would ghosts have worked? NO because ghosts are both super costly and at the same time super inneffective against everything besides infestors. Ryung had the perfect composition. And to those who keep yelling raven, hed have to rebuild that raven 10 times over with the amount of infestors on the map. You don't need 20 ghosts for crying out loud, make a few to EMP the infestors / queen. They're a supplementary unit, not a mass a-move unit.
The queens and infestors are behind the zerg army. Kinda hard to get up close enough to emp anything without having 30 banelings explode into you. So whilst ryung may have wasted 800gas on a few ghosts and thus much fewer tanks and amrauders, theres no way the ghosts wouldve been any cost-effective whatsoever.
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On January 29 2013 19:13 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:12 opterown wrote:On January 29 2013 19:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hope PartinG wins this one so I can see Losira's ZvP now :3 don't worry you can see if after byun goes 4-0 and ryung 0-4 amirite ;D Only a terrible person would root for Ryung to go 0-4
guess i'm terrible then
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Pandemona
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Come on then SKT1 Parting. Show us some good PvT games!
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On January 29 2013 19:09 Douillos wrote:
hellion marauder marine, banshee hellion, they all hit around the same timing which will give you a shot in the long run. I havent seen this 3 base macro game ever working against a Z who doesnt make mistakes.
GOLD, Hellion/Banshee is an OPENING, just like pure hellions after expand... You clearly dont understand basic TvZ.
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If Byun wasn't such a nervous wreck in the GSL I think he would actually 2-0 Parting here
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Oooh yeah, Byun vs PartinG ! This should be good ! I'm worried about PartinG, not sure he's in too good condition recently.
EDIT: and Artosis cursing him badly.
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Gogo Byun!!
Please no 1 hour do nothing for 40 minute games tho.
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On January 29 2013 19:13 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
I personally would've gone Mech after the first game and forced LosirA to beat me with a different unit composition. That same midgame strategy would've been slaughtered by a Mech army. LosirA would have probably switched to Roaches against mech...
And who knows if he would have been as successful? I'm just saying were I ryung and I had seen what LosirA was doing two games in a row I'd have changed it up and used a Mech composition. That unit composition, Baneling/Zergling/Infestor/Ultralisk/Queen just doesn't work vs a Mech army and if I was going to go out 2-0 I'd rather have it be to two different strats than the same one twice.
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On January 29 2013 19:14 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:13 JJH777 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:12 opterown wrote:On January 29 2013 19:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
hope PartinG wins this one so I can see Losira's ZvP now :3 don't worry you can see if after byun goes 4-0 and ryung 0-4 amirite ;D Only a terrible person would root for Ryung to go 0-4 guess i'm terrible then
Whats ur deal with ryung? xD
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I think Byun will win  The fionn curse in effect!
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United States33649 Posts
did Bisu even win any of his MSLs on SKT? maybe one?
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On January 29 2013 19:12 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:11 acrimoneyius wrote:On January 29 2013 19:09 nomyx wrote:On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote:On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Of course ghosts would have been good, Losira had most of his Queens in a pile (hard to spread off creep) so a few EMPs would be wonderful. Queens are also psionic so snipe does bonus damage. Ghosts aren't good because they're 2.5x more expensive than a marauder that can't kite. You have to get a sufficient number of ghosts to build energy before you can really do anything with them (same problem as ravens minus infrastructure concerns). If ghost was 100/150 cost it would be much more justifiable. Ghosts cost way too much minerals and have limited aggressive potential. Ghosts cost too many minerals? I thought they cost too much gas? Then terrans complained and blizzard changed it. Make up your mind...
No one ever complained about Ghost's costing too much gas. Ghost's were heavily used in 2011 until they were nerfed into oblivion. Get your facts straight. Terran has too much reliance on minerals that go to other units. Ever notice most terrans have an excessive gas bank? They can't spend it on anything unless they have a few starports with techlabs. Ravens aren't good against ultra compositions.
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