EPT[Code S] RO32 Group E 2013 GSL Season 1 - Page 23
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Daswollvieh
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:05 Vindicare605 wrote: But LosirA had his 4th and 5th bases done and Ryung could never secure a third mining base. If you're going to press your 3rd base advantage you have to keep the Zerg on a maximum of 4 bases while pressuring THEM. Tell me how you're supposed to pressure Ultralisks armies on creep? On January 29 2013 19:05 Douillos wrote: Positional play is just useless in zvt. It's a fast paced matchup where you HAVE to hit the Z hard in the midgame to have a chance. this 3cc shit never turns out well for Terran. That why bogus (Innovation) did so well. You HAVE to hit a 2 base timing that wins you the game. ? 2-bases timings are garbage in TvZ. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:05 Vindicare605 wrote: But LosirA had his 4th and 5th bases done and Ryung could never secure a third mining base. If you're going to press your 3rd base advantage you have to keep the Zerg on a maximum of 4 bases while pressuring THEM. LosirA was the one doing all the pressure. Ryung could never go on offense. Whenever he'd move out LosirA would kill an army while not losing all of his Ultralisks which just allowed him to keep expanding and keep making Banelings and Infestors. And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. | ||
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Meggiroth
239 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote: No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend. Hahhaahahhaha so priceless | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote: I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Ryung also never pushed while doing drops, he would do one or the other, you have to do both at the same time. Also- he let the creep spread get out of control in both games... | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:06 Qwerty85 wrote: Other than some unscouted all in, I dont remember watching 2 base timings winning the game. You are basically forced into playing greedy macro Greedy Macro is insta fail IMO. | ||
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Miami Metro
70 Posts
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:05 Qwerty85 wrote: Ravens against ultras? Dont think so. But if he transitioned to broodlord corruptor, that could work. But again, raven is 100/200 so you still need minerals, and Ryung was starving for minerals in that game, so he couldn't really afford making starports and ravens. One raven to fly around and help mop up the creep would have made a lot of difference. Also at various times if Ryung had just pushed on the creep and not cleaned it up, he would have done some damage. Him sitting at the edge of the creep, cleaning it up and NOT doing damage is what won Losira that game. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:06 Windows 7 wrote: I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition? Ghosts against ultras? Are you serious? | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:05 Douillos wrote: Positional play is just useless in zvt. It's a fast paced matchup where you HAVE to hit the Z hard in the midgame to have a chance. this 3cc shit never turns out well for Terran. That why bogus (Innovation) did so well. You HAVE to hit a 2 base timing that wins you the game. This is just not true, Bomber never does 2 base timings and he wrecks Zerg. | ||
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Windows 7
United States236 Posts
Tell me how you're supposed to pressure Ultralisks armies on creep? And your point is what? What could ryung have done differently? He had a build order advantage but had no way of capitalizing on it. Really, Im asking. Would ghosts have worked? Yeah, ye olde ghoste, not the new ghost. Forgive me since I may be wrong on this, but snipe still does some damage to Ultras, right? But the EMP would be useful nonetheless. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote: Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison. lol no. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16081 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:06 Fragile51 wrote: Haha, i know right. The lack of broodlords is probably what influenced that. Well just look how much more difficult and micro intensive LosirA's unit composition was. He was using flanks, transfuse micro on the Ultralisks and still had to control infestors all while maintaining an intense demand for Larva because of the need for constant Zergling reinforcements. Infestor/Broodlord by comparison is a big a-move army that ignores terrain and doesn't require constant babysitting back home because once you have it you don't really need the extra larva anymore. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
Yes cause there was ONLY ultras in that army right?, EMP @ Queens and Infestors. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
He should embrace this Rainmaker gimmick and come into the studio with over sized jewelery and flashy suits. He should also make Bisu his butler and make him throw dollar bills at the audience. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17678 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
This isnt 2011 =[ | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:07 Miami Metro wrote: Cutscenes like that was why Starcraft was fucking awesome. SC2 is so embarrassing in comparison. That was taken out of SC2 cinematics....... | ||
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