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On January 29 2013 19:03 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. Ryung had a huge build-order advantage. He had his third finished before losira even started his. Doesnt matter.
But LosirA had his 4th and 5th bases done and Ryung could never secure a third mining base.
If you're going to press your 3rd base advantage you have to keep the Zerg on a maximum of 4 bases while pressuring THEM. LosirA was the one doing all the pressure. Ryung could never go on offense. Whenever he'd move out LosirA would kill an army while not losing all of his Ultralisks which just allowed him to keep expanding and keep making Banelings and Infestors.
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On January 29 2013 19:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:Poll: Recommend Ryung vs LosirA game 2?Yes (48) 83% No (6) 10% If you have time (4) 7% 58 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ryung vs LosirA game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
It's not often a ZvT where the Zerg wins in a long macro game gets this many yes votes.
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Bring back the viking video!!
I've seen this so many times :/
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Positional play is just useless in zvt. It's a fast paced matchup where you HAVE to hit the Z hard in the midgame to have a chance. this 3cc shit never turns out well for Terran.
That why bogus (Innovation) did so well. You HAVE to hit a 2 base timing that wins you the game.
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On January 29 2013 19:00 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 18:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:57 nomyx wrote:
Ryung with 2400+ gas, is this normal for terrans? When going bio? Absolutely. terrans should ts3 transition to raven when they have do much gas in bank. I met on the ladder a terran building ravens with his gas and it was absurdly strong.
Ravens against ultras? Dont think so. But if he transitioned to broodlord corruptor, that could work. But again, raven is 100/200 so you still need minerals, and Ryung was starving for minerals in that game, so he couldn't really afford making starports and ravens.
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On January 29 2013 19:05 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:Poll: Recommend Ryung vs LosirA game 2?Yes (48) 83% No (6) 10% If you have time (4) 7% 58 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ryung vs LosirA game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
It's not often a ZvT where the Zerg wins in a long macro game gets this many yes votes.
Haha, i know right. The lack of broodlords is probably what influenced that.
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On January 29 2013 19:04 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:03 mrRoflpwn wrote:On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op? Next level balance whiners! No you explain me. How ryung shoud have done this. Where he has gone wrong. I am trying to understand what happend.
I feel like he was limited by his unit composition. Marine marauder tank seems fine against queen ultra on paper, but like Tastosis said, those ultras just didn't die. Theorycrafting here but perhaps ghosts would have been able to counter that composition?
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On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op?
The queen buff has led to it getting to insane levels.
Before that, you had to husband queen energy for injects and you would have no more than a handful of active tumors.
Now, with large-number queen builds, you have energy to spare (witness all those transfuses) so you have dozens upon dozens of tumors. The only limit is your APM, and Losira's got no troubles there.
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this scene makes me sad 
poor kerrigan
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On January 29 2013 19:05 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:03 Snusmumriken wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. Ryung had a huge build-order advantage. He had his third finished before losira even started his. Doesnt matter. But LosirA had his 4th and 5th bases done and Ryung could never secure a third mining base. If you're going to press your 3rd base advantage you have to keep the Zerg on a maximum of 4 bases while pressuring THEM. LosirA was the one doing all the pressure. Ryung could never go on offense. Whenever he'd move out LosirA would kill an army while not losing all of his Ultralisks which just allowed him to keep expanding and keep making Banelings and Infestors.
GL on pressuring Z with creep down your pants.
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On January 29 2013 19:04 GreyKnight wrote:
Ryung couldnt deal with the creep, he could've definitely taken that game given how wasteful losira was
Ryung needs more drops, and defensively take bases with lots of building walls. I think that should break Losira's style.
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Losira deserves props for always having a unique style. He's never ever been some cookie cutter zerg, though even if he does go broodlord/infestor vs Parting or something in the winner's match I'll forgive him. The guy just always finds HIS way to play, and I love it.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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On January 29 2013 19:05 Douillos wrote:
Positional play is just useless in zvt. It's a fast paced matchup where you HAVE to hit the Z hard in the midgame to have a chance. this 3cc shit never turns out well for Terran.
That why bogus (Innovation) did so well. You HAVE to hit a 2 base timing that wins you the game.
Other than some unscouted all in, I dont remember watching 2 base timings winning the game. You are basically forced into playing greedy macro
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Mengsk is such a douchbag.
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On January 29 2013 18:17 TheBB wrote: (2212) Ryung 0-0 LosirA (2014)
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33.22% 2-0 0-2 17.95%
28.15% 2-1 1-2 20.69%
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61.36% 38.64%
Median outcome
Ryung 2-1 LosirA
17.95% for 2-0 losira? I believe...
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On January 29 2013 19:02 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 19:01 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:On January 29 2013 19:00 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 29 2013 18:58 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
if ryung does not win this
IMBA IMBA IMBA would be justified. Not at all. LosirA is playing a really good strategy but Ryung is hanging in this. LosirA isnt giving Ryung a chance to go on offense though and if he cant go on offense he'll eventually starve out. But what is terran supposed to do against this creep. are you serious? creep op?
Have you ever played against someone who has almost complete map vision and increased speed on every important part of the map`?
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On January 29 2013 19:03 negativedge wrote:
losira is pretty boss in ZvT
Yea, engage 5 times into chokes and around corners against an army that should (and normally does) counter yours. I'm sure that's how ZvT is meant to be played. These 2 games look completely phoned in by Losira, but I guess that's all that has to be done these days.
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What is this, WCS?
BELAY THAT ORDER
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EPT
