[Champion] Udyr - Page 22

On February 21 2012 15:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ap quints on phoenix udyr?

On February 22 2012 06:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
What item build do you use Slayer?

I currently do boots3 into merc treads rush. Then either rush wit's end or get a hog into more tanky. I read you like philo but I find it delays my other items. Should I just skip hog or get both philo and hog?

On February 22 2012 07:13 Requizen wrote:
I often feel like I'm getting far more MR than Armor at any given point in time. Merc's + Wits + Aegis is 3 NMMs and only 1 Cloth armor. I mean, I know you have more base Armor and the flat Seals mean your Armor is higher at lower levels, but I feel invincible against AP and squishy as hell against a competent AD.

On February 23 2012 05:36 Slayer91 wrote:
It's a good alternative to philo stone but you're losing health regen, mana regen, and the option to build into shurelyas. I would say it's better than skipping regen completely, but I just find myself missing the regen from philo and the shurelyas upgrade as well.

You're saving, what, 550 gold? Good way of getting a fast oracles without losing too much, wouldn't say you need the chain mail or recurve as super high priority compared to what you're getting from philo though.

I guess if you're behind early as well it's a good option. Philo less effective when you're buying it late, have to base more often and are underfarmed. Spending 800 gold on something that doesn't help you survive burst isn't that smart in that kind of situation.

On February 23 2012 05:44 Two_DoWn wrote:

Do you actually find yourself needing a philo? I honestly cant think of a time when Turtle wasnt enough to keep me healthy, and pheonix is really low cost as you level it.

I dunno, I understand why you would get it I just honestly cant think of a time I would have needed it.

Although I do think that boots-hog-mercs-wits does sort of make it so you dont actually take damage from minions cuz you just kill them so fast.

On February 23 2012 05:49 Slayer91 wrote:


Well, in that case you're going to be running low on mana, which means in ganks/counter ganks/jungle invades any kind of early fights that happen you're going to run out of mana and not going to be nearly as tanky/dpsy and won't have the mana to chase down people with bear. Philo stone is never wasted because if I'm full hp I'll conserve mana and won't turtle shield and when I'm full mana I'll turtle shield before pheonixing on the camp.

Maybe it's because I got used to spamming my spells a lot but every time I decided to skip philo recently it was like "Okay just need to kill this last guy.. shoot I'm out of mana I can't do anything" sometime's it'll be their jungle like lee sin or something who I'm thinking I'm about to destroy until I realize I have no more mana and he can just spam shit on me until I die.

I mean, maybe you can get away with being less crazy around the map and or basing more often but I just never felt like buying philo made me weak at all, and shurleyas is such a good item if you're getting philo that fast anyway.

I've been buying both philo and chalice on maokai, I mean I was semi-serious when I bought it because I was pissed off that I kept running oom going through small camps but once I bought it I started buying it every game I wasn't getting all the blues and never really regretted it. You are so much stronger and put out so much more damage in teamfights when you're always full mana, you also get to stay around the map with your passive giving you health combined with infinite mana meaning you farm so much more and have more map presence. Should probably mention this in the maokai thread at some point.