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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 04 2012 04:35 GMT
#3061
Most NA teams need to shape up before season 3. Looking at the korean scene, it goes to show how much dedication they put into the game, not even counting the detailed planning that azubu blaze showed at MLG Summer Arena with lane swaps and tower pushing. You need to have a game plan that extends further than the champions you have picked

NA teams need to take a much closer look on how they execute their early/mid-game. At the moment it seems like there isn't really much of a game-plan and it's more about adapting to the enemy's play style than creating your own.
hi
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
November 04 2012 05:08 GMT
#3062
On November 04 2012 13:19 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 13:10 StUfF wrote:
Everyone's on a break after WC, no one cares for the small prize pool at MLG and any hardcore practicing is not very useful with the incoming Season 3 changes.

So let me get this straight:

They don't try new things and generally improve during the season because they need to stick to reliable stuff to win events.

They don't try new things and generally improve during the off-season because they have no motivation at small events.

Seems like grade-A bullshit/procrastination to me.

The whole concept of cramming all your practice before an event rather than treating progaming as a regular full-year-round job is why NA teams suck.


But they are treating it as a full-year-round job. Otherwise, why would they have a gaming house? Also, they put a halt on school or work for this, clearly it's more than just cramming the night before.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 05:31:57
November 04 2012 05:21 GMT
#3063
On November 04 2012 14:08 sharky246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 13:19 TheYango wrote:
On November 04 2012 13:10 StUfF wrote:
Everyone's on a break after WC, no one cares for the small prize pool at MLG and any hardcore practicing is not very useful with the incoming Season 3 changes.

So let me get this straight:

They don't try new things and generally improve during the season because they need to stick to reliable stuff to win events.

They don't try new things and generally improve during the off-season because they have no motivation at small events.

Seems like grade-A bullshit/procrastination to me.

The whole concept of cramming all your practice before an event rather than treating progaming as a regular full-year-round job is why NA teams suck.


But they are treating it as a full-year-round job. Otherwise, why would they have a gaming house? Also, they put a halt on school or work for this, clearly it's more than just cramming the night before.


Look at where it got them....
I think generally NA teams need to have a different approach to their practice, because whatever they are doing is not working, and i dont know if they already know that or not
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 04 2012 05:32 GMT
#3064
On November 04 2012 14:08 sharky246 wrote:
But they are treating it as a full-year-round job. Otherwise, why would they have a gaming house? Also, they put a halt on school or work for this, clearly it's more than just cramming the night before.

No, they're treating playing solo queue and streaming as a full-year-round job, and cramming for tournaments. Not the same thing.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 04 2012 05:32 GMT
#3065
On November 04 2012 14:08 sharky246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 13:19 TheYango wrote:
On November 04 2012 13:10 StUfF wrote:
Everyone's on a break after WC, no one cares for the small prize pool at MLG and any hardcore practicing is not very useful with the incoming Season 3 changes.

So let me get this straight:

They don't try new things and generally improve during the season because they need to stick to reliable stuff to win events.

They don't try new things and generally improve during the off-season because they have no motivation at small events.

Seems like grade-A bullshit/procrastination to me.

The whole concept of cramming all your practice before an event rather than treating progaming as a regular full-year-round job is why NA teams suck.


But they are treating it as a full-year-round job. Otherwise, why would they have a gaming house? Also, they put a halt on school or work for this, clearly it's more than just cramming the night before.


They don't treat improving as a full time job. They stream as a full time job. Their problem is that they believe that solo queue plus lots of scrims before tournaments is appropriate practice.

It isn't. Korean teams and Chinese teams are scrimming constantly between events not just a week or two before.
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
November 04 2012 06:03 GMT
#3066
even the rebroadcast goes down, sheesh
byah!
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
November 04 2012 06:11 GMT
#3067
Damn, I'm late to the BV/GA/QSS discussion even though I began it

Doublelift ran Flash/Cleanse, which should be all he needs against Ahri charm and Sona ulti, considering he played Caitlyn (i.e. easier positioning, net escape) and he had Orianna shield and Shen ulti. What he needed instead of QSS in the midgame when CLG.eu weren't tanky enough to dive CLG.na, was a BV, not only for against Malphite ulti but also for the extra tankiness against CLG.eu's sole damage source.

In the lategame, he needed GA to discourage CLG.eu from all-in diving him, or at least, make more use out of the shielding available to him and dilute CLG.eu's burst.

It doesn't matter anyway though. HotshotGG lost the game for CLG.na and I don't think Doublelift could have carried him regardless of item choice.
Highwayman
Profile Joined March 2010
United States181 Posts
November 04 2012 07:28 GMT
#3068
I definitely think NA teams autopilot through solo queue too much for sure. They do it for a living, but I think they develop bad habits because of the lack of communication/coordination required for higher level play. TSM definitely got a lot better when they started scrimming a lot more, but they seem to have gotten lax on it recently. Dignitas definitely seems to try to scrim as much as they can recently and it shows. Curse is the most disappointing to me because they just don't seem to have the work ethic or attitude to get better as a team and they scapegoat way too hard. CLG.NA seems similar because they are really bad at developing constructive ideas out of scrims -- they just argue a lot and it doesn't seem to go anywhere. Hotshot is a terrible leader and Chauster has a really toxic attitude. They would be shit without Doublelift honestly. Locodoco is a step in the right direction but I still feel like Chauster and Hotshot are anchoring their lack of development.

They don't have to cut streaming but I think unless you actually see these players getting serious about actually working as hard as they can by making all of their practice time focused and with purpose you'll see them fall further behind other countries as we've clearly seen already and in other games. Mechanics just don't matter as much anymore when you have Asian teams that work so well together.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 08:05:18
November 04 2012 08:00 GMT
#3069
They're doing what's economically optimal for them. There's no beating the Korean scene in practice no matter what you do because they have 10-20 teams with team houses, coaches, and strict practice regimens all squeezed into a small area. 2-3 NA teams practicing together isn't going to change the difference in sponsorship and organization.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 04 2012 08:03 GMT
#3070
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?
liftlift > tsm
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
November 04 2012 08:18 GMT
#3071
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 08:18:50
November 04 2012 08:18 GMT
#3072
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


one team had more than 100k gold
one team had less than 100k gold

When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 04 2012 08:22 GMT
#3073
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?
liftlift > tsm
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
November 04 2012 08:26 GMT
#3074
On November 04 2012 17:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?


Take a wild guess and you'll probably be right.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 04 2012 08:29 GMT
#3075
On November 04 2012 17:26 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?


Take a wild guess and you'll probably be right.

Docoloco?
liftlift > tsm
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 04 2012 08:30 GMT
#3076
On November 04 2012 17:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:26 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?


Take a wild guess and you'll probably be right.

Docoloco?


Who will be blamed and who actually threw are 2 seperate things, dear wei2coolman.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 04 2012 08:32 GMT
#3077
On November 04 2012 17:30 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:26 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?


Take a wild guess and you'll probably be right.

Docoloco?


Who will be blamed and who actually threw are 2 seperate things, dear wei2coolman.

Well I didn't watch g3, mind explaining to me what happened?
liftlift > tsm
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
November 04 2012 08:52 GMT
#3078
On November 04 2012 17:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:30 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:26 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?


Take a wild guess and you'll probably be right.

Docoloco?


Who will be blamed and who actually threw are 2 seperate things, dear wei2coolman.

Well I didn't watch g3, mind explaining to me what happened?


Well, HSGG got caught alone several times which eventually lead to the downfall.
I wouldn't call it a big throw though, CLG.eu had at all times a good advantage in teamfights but couldn't use that since they were busy giving away free barons and inhibitors for the first 55 minutes, forcing them to play defensive even after winning several teamfights 4 for 1.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 04 2012 09:38 GMT
#3079
On November 04 2012 17:30 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:26 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:18 Morfildur wrote:
On November 04 2012 17:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Well i missed out after g2 of clg.na and clg.eu, recap for me plox?


CLG.eu got an early advantage, then threw it with bad baron control giving CLG.na several free barons. Then they lost more and more inhibitors eventhough Froggen got fed more and more. At one point all 3 inhibitors were down but CLG.eu stalled and then won anyways after 65 minutes.

Who threw it for Clg.na?


Take a wild guess and you'll probably be right.

Docoloco?


Who will be blamed and who actually threw are 2 seperate things, dear wei2coolman.


Well Loco ain't no Madlife. That's for sure.
Hey! How you doin'?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 04 2012 10:08 GMT
#3080
Guys, is there any restream or any kind of VoDs that I could access without paying?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
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