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On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive.
The QSS made some sense, but i wasn't really sold on the banshee's. The spell-shield might be nice, but when you have 2 people with hard cc diving onto you, it doesn't really matter that much.
EDIT: Oh and if hotshot actually knew when to use shen ult, he prolly wouldn't have gotten crapped on so hard.
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so no vods of dig vs eu since offstream? really want to watch froggen Swain -.-
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On November 04 2012 12:27 Slow Motion wrote:
"We are like CLG.EU, but better."
I'm just gonna leave that here.
Taken out of context.
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On November 04 2012 12:28 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:26 AsnSensation wrote:
Before blaming loco they should look at the performance of a certain player that played a ninjan3 games in a row this series, oh wait they failed to see the real problem of their for over a year now. Loco went explorer mode yeah and it shouldnt happen from a player of his calibre but i stopped countng how many times hotshot got caught by froggen or other eu members
Leave loco alone uselessShotGg Don't forget the missed (often point-blank) taunts and the weirdest Rs, including the last one which he fought against Maokai and Ezreal and don't even know which of their abilities can stop his R channel.
Not to defend him but I'm pretty sure his plan was for his team to engage on EU since it was a 4v3 in mid lane. They either weren't on the same page or Chauster missed his bandage toss or something. By the time Hotshot realized his team wasn't going to or couldn't engage he tried to ult but it was too late.
Still a stupid call but I don't think it was a case of him not knowing what can stop his ult lol.
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On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive.
..... what
BV's effect is to give you a spell shield every 45 seconds that can be popped by any spell, while QSS is to remove any form of status effect on you (such as slow, stun, mordekaiser ult, etc).
Not even close to the same thing, aside from both building from negatron cloak, so you shouldn't group them together ;P
GA revives you, which is probably the best effect for their team since they had ori shield and shen shield for once caitlyn revives.
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On November 04 2012 12:28 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive. The QSS made some sense, but i wasn't really sold on the banshee's. The spell-shield might be nice, but when you have 2 people with hard cc diving onto you, it doesn't really matter that much.
I think BV was a good choice because it can stop the malph ult (couldn't see if it actually did in the game) as opposed to QSS/cleanse and also gives him a good chunk of HP and tiny bit more MR.
On November 04 2012 12:30 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive. ..... what BV's effect is to give you a spell shield every 45 seconds that can be popped by any spell, while QSS is to remove any form of status effect on you (such as slow, stun, mordekaiser ult, etc). Not even close to the same thing, aside from both building from negatron cloak, so you shouldn't group them together ;P GA revives you, which is probably the best effect for their team since they had ori shield and shen shield for once caitlyn revives.
QSS does nothing vs. malph ult. And reviving in the same spot doesn't stop them from bursting you again, even if he had 3 ori shields. If DL is in the middle of the team fight, he is already dead no matter what. His goal was to stay on the outside and poke him, which QSS + flash + net allows him to do much better.
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On November 04 2012 12:30 G0dly wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:27 Slow Motion wrote:
"We are like CLG.EU, but better."
I'm just gonna leave that here. Taken out of context.
How so?
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On November 04 2012 12:31 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:28 Sponkz wrote:On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive. The QSS made some sense, but i wasn't really sold on the banshee's. The spell-shield might be nice, but when you have 2 people with hard cc diving onto you, it doesn't really matter that much. I think BV was a good choice because it can stop the malph ult (couldn't see if it actually did in the game) as opposed to QSS/cleanse and also gives him a good chunk of HP and tiny bit more MR.
It would depend on maokai being able to W doubelift before he could flash/e away.
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On November 04 2012 12:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:25 Haasts wrote:
I'm very late to the thread (only caught the most recent game after being out for the weekend), and I'm sure this has been addressed somewhere in the past 150 pages or so, but who was CLG.EU's substitute support? Some very very patient Sona ults that game, quite impressed. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/20371233
These win rates with supports are insane. Especially Janna, 161 games - 121 wins. And some people say you cant carry with support in soloq. :D
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On November 04 2012 12:30 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:28 Sufficiency wrote:On November 04 2012 12:26 AsnSensation wrote:
Before blaming loco they should look at the performance of a certain player that played a ninjan3 games in a row this series, oh wait they failed to see the real problem of their for over a year now. Loco went explorer mode yeah and it shouldnt happen from a player of his calibre but i stopped countng how many times hotshot got caught by froggen or other eu members
Leave loco alone uselessShotGg Don't forget the missed (often point-blank) taunts and the weirdest Rs, including the last one which he fought against Maokai and Ezreal and don't even know which of their abilities can stop his R channel. Not to defend him but I'm pretty sure his plan was for his team to engage on EU since it was a 4v3 in mid lane. They either weren't on the same page or Chauster missed his bandage toss or something. By the time Hotshot realized his team wasn't going to or couldn't engage he tried to ult but it was too late. Still a stupid call but I don't think it was a case of him not knowing what can stop his ult lol.
We don't exactly know what went on in CLG teamspeak during that moment but to assume that Hotshot doesn't know which spells can cancel his ult when any 1500 elo Shen player would know is presumptuous. I wish we could have a feature where we can listen in on the teamspeak during the game. I know MLG used to do it in Halo, and it would probably be a lot more entertaining than what we have now.
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On November 04 2012 12:30 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive. ..... what BV's effect is to give you a spell shield every 45 seconds that can be popped by any spell, while QSS is to remove any form of status effect on you (such as slow, stun, mordekaiser ult, etc). Not even close to the same thing, aside from both building from negatron cloak, so you shouldn't group them together ;P GA revives you, which is probably the best effect for their team since they had ori shield and shen shield for once caitlyn revives.
The only problem with the reviving is that as soon as doublelift is not in the fight anymore the fight is lost. QSS and BV both served the purpose to absorb one of the hard cc's
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On November 04 2012 12:31 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:30 G0dly wrote:On November 04 2012 12:27 Slow Motion wrote:
"We are like CLG.EU, but better."
I'm just gonna leave that here. Taken out of context. How so?
In the manner that "taken out of context" usually means.
As in, it's not the full quote.
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On November 04 2012 12:31 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:28 Sponkz wrote:On November 04 2012 12:25 beefhamburger wrote:On November 04 2012 12:20 1ntrigue wrote:
Oh Christ, CLG.na is so terror
#2 terror Doublelift getting QSS regardless of situation and refusal to get GA regardless of situation
You really think GA is better than QSS/BV in the position he was in? He was the ONLY one that EU was trying to kill and diving him non-stop. Having a GA does nothing for him except make him get caught earlier. If his GA activates, EU can just camp his body until he respawns and ignore everyone else on NA because they really couldn't do much to them.Being able to get out of multiple CC is the only thing that kept him alive. The QSS made some sense, but i wasn't really sold on the banshee's. The spell-shield might be nice, but when you have 2 people with hard cc diving onto you, it doesn't really matter that much. I think BV was a good choice because it can stop the malph ult (couldn't see if it actually did in the game) as opposed to QSS/cleanse and also gives him a good chunk of HP and tiny bit more MR.
But because of EU poke (Ahri Q, EZ Q-W, Maokai Sappling, or even sona Q except its short range and it shouldnt happen), I think BV was pretty poor...
That said : With good reflexes, QSS can be countered by faster CC initiation. Also, DLift already had cleanse.
BV actually forces CLG.eu to burst it before initiation. If Dlift somehow dodges everything, this can stall. Also, even if bursted, the CD is pretty low, which can recover while Eu still figuring out the moment to initiate
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On November 04 2012 12:26 AsnSensation wrote:
Before blaming loco they should look at the performance of a certain player that played a ninjan3 games in a row this series, oh wait they failed to see the real problem of their for over a year now. Loco went explorer mode yeah and it shouldnt happen from a player of his calibre but i stopped countng how many times hotshot got caught by froggen or other eu members
Leave loco alone uselessShotGg
It's already partially started. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12lgqw/locodoco_game_3_you_never_ulted_while_playing/
Good guy Dan Dinh stepped in with his knowledge bomb.
As a support nunu, you never get tanky enough in most cases to run in and get off an effective ultimate. Also Nunu is especially bad versus ezreal/corki, the 2 ad that doesn't completely rely on auto attacking to do damage (also has a escape/jump ability). So to run in to snowball, and or use absolute zero would be suicide (which he ended up doing a couple of time making him look like an ass). Plus, CLG.eu's comp, is not a clump comp, they don't rely on auto attacking at all (malphite). The only possible way for Nunu to land a good A.Z. would be to bait it thru a brush, but there was generally ward coverage the entire time. If you look, at the inventory of CLG.eu at one point, every single player had wards on their 6th slot.
All in all, Locodoco, make some bad plays. But a lot of it was forced bad plays due to limited vision by CLG.na and excellent vision by CLG.eu.
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On November 04 2012 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:23 Artok wrote:
That was the worst shen ive ever seen :O To be fair, it's the first time i've seen shen trying to solo push and constantly dying to freaking ahri. On top of that, his solution to that is freaking atma's, like what the hell. Ye, loco screwed up, but it didnt effect the game as much as freaking hotshot failing entire goddamn match. Yes I am very curious about that too. But I guess Ahri can kite Shen with her W.
then get something that helps you somehow survive or helps the team, atma's did a whole lot of nothing, it was such a bizzare decision, same as constantly pushing without any sight and just dying, not to even mention some missed ulti opportunities and generally bad ultis. Overall, my mind was blown away.
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The Problem with Hotshot's Shen is he allows himself to be initiated on every time, especially vs an AP like ahri, that just free cd time if you let her poke you with a Q W before she has to commit. The time when Froggen 1v1'd him bot right after Hotshot finished FoN this is exactly what happened, by the time Hotshot decided to commit to the fight Froggen had already chunked him for half and he was waiting on getting his shit off cd. In that situation you need to be like "silly bitch, I just finished a FoN" and just go in the moment she appears, force her to back down or die.
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On November 04 2012 12:34 G0dly wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:31 Slow Motion wrote:On November 04 2012 12:30 G0dly wrote:On November 04 2012 12:27 Slow Motion wrote:
"We are like CLG.EU, but better."
I'm just gonna leave that here. Taken out of context. How so? In the manner that "taken out of context" usually means. As in, it's not the full quote.
That's not what taken out of context means. It means that by leaving out everything that was said I misrepresented the message. I did not. I was actually listening to them on stream when it was said, and they meant exactly what this quote suggests they mean.
If you were listening to their stream too, please tell me how else you want to interpret this quote?
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On November 04 2012 12:37 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:On November 04 2012 12:23 Artok wrote:
That was the worst shen ive ever seen :O To be fair, it's the first time i've seen shen trying to solo push and constantly dying to freaking ahri. On top of that, his solution to that is freaking atma's, like what the hell. Ye, loco screwed up, but it didnt effect the game as much as freaking hotshot failing entire goddamn match. Yes I am very curious about that too. But I guess Ahri can kite Shen with her W. then get something that helps you somehow survive or helps the team, atma's did a whole lot of nothing, it was such a bizzare decision, same as constantly pushing without any sight and just dying, not to even mention some missed ulti opportunities and generally bad ultis. Overall, my mind was blown away.
Yeah, when I noticed the atma's.... I really didn't know what to think. Not sure how anyone can justify that in his build.
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On November 04 2012 12:42 Slusher wrote:
The Problem with Hotshot's Shen is he allows himself to be initiated on every time, especially vs an AP like ahri, that just free cd time if you let her poke you with a Q W before she has to commit. The time when Froggen 1v1'd him bot right after Hotshot finished FoN this is exactly what happened, by the time Hotshot decided to commit to the fight Froggen had already chunked him for half and he was waiting on getting his shit off cd. In that situation you need to be like "silly bitch, I just finished a FoN" and just go in the moment she appears, force her to back down or die.
The biggest problem was his miss-use of his ult. It creates a huge opening for the enemy, when it goes to waste.
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I don't even know if he kept the atma for a long time. To be honest, I bugged when I saw it.
This is a strange way of adding damage on Shen.
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