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On October 31 2010 04:09 Reaper9 wrote:
So then the Zerg switches to hydra and eats the vikings. Indeed replenishing the army for the Terran late game when both are at 200/200 is nearly impossible.

On October 31 2010 04:08 1Eris1 wrote:



BC rush =/= using BC's. That was just an example. I don't think BC's are great against zerg but I have never seen them in any late game match, except I think a match between Dimaga and Jinro about 2 months back. My point is you have to experiment with units. If you experimented with them a month ago, fine, but things have changed since a month ago.

How does a BC rush =/= using BC's? also I used that as an example to show that Terrans are experimenting and the results have not been good at all.

In a game like SC2 it's naive to say that races are not experimenting with other units and builds, However the reason you actualy do not see these builds and units being used is not because players are stubborn, its because these builds and units are unsuccessful.

On October 31 2010 04:15 Reaper9 wrote:
Most of the time the Terran does move out, but late game it's nearly impossible to take every single outer base out, and the Zerg will just start demolishing the tech and roll over the Terran's base.
Edit- I do play random and I love all the races but I always feel it's the Protoss and Zerg always sharply criticizing Terran players, and then when they themselves comment their their race needs work by patching, most people are in agreement.

And as Donkey said, experimenting with the stronger tech means getting to the later game. Most of the time from what I have seen, Terran have the hardest time getting to late game. Also most of the stronger tech are hard countered fast, and Terran has no chance to switch their tech in time.

On October 31 2010 04:22 OutlaW- wrote:
so many clueless people in this thread
the guy who made starcraft what it is today is saying that terran is a little too weak and you disagree with arguments like terrans need to get better at this game? or that terrans suck compared to the 2 other races? you think you understand starcraft as a game better than boxer? ur fucked up rofl

On October 31 2010 04:24 1Eris1 wrote:



I only criticize because they are claiming UP after 2 weeks. All I'm saying is give it time. If zerg dominates in GSL 3 then I'll gladly admit they're OP.

On October 31 2010 04:22 1Eris1 wrote:


Okay the context was off. I said late game BC's, not BC rushing. And the point still stands. I've yet to see solid raven play, something I feel could be very powerful vs ling/bane/muta for example.

On October 31 2010 04:11 StarcraftMan wrote:


ROFL. Zerg hatcheries are cheaper than CCs. Blizzard intended Zerg players to have a lead in macro to stay competitive with the other races. There is something broken with SC2 if Terran has to match Zerg bases all the time to stay competitive - SC2 is the same as BW.

On October 31 2010 04:39 lastmotion wrote:
Zerg hatchery = 300 mineral + drone lost (50) mineral + lost mining time from that one drone until a new drone comes out to replace it. So it's extremely close to 400 minerals

On October 31 2010 04:39 lastmotion wrote:


Zerg hatchery = 300 mineral + drone lost (50) mineral + lost mining time from that one drone until a new drone comes out to replace it. So it's extremely close to 400 minerals




I really lost all respect for Boxer at this point. We know that T is actually OP instead of UP because the last 2 patches wasn't that impacting. Yes even the supply before rax nerf actually just makes T play a more macro-orientated opening and he will be ahead. The roach range increase affected ZvP a lot more than ZvT, and Roaches are still crushed by tanks/banshees/marauders. The other nerf was the tank nerf but then again, it still kills lings in the same number of hits as before and after patch. The only REAL nerf was the reaper delay. Well that's okay because Terran still has a million other openings to choose from mid-game. Basically, the last two patches didn't do much.

Now, we know Boxer is a paid progamer and he plays T. He is in a position where his fans will dislike him if he abandons the T race. Thats why he can't really switch races. (Notice how he said random instead of Z or P?) Therefore, the best thing for his CAREER is to complain and whine until Terran can get buffed. I don't blame him for choosing his career over the balance of the game. But still, that's somewhat selfish in my eyes. This is coming from a man who "did" so much for the e-sports community. One sign of BW dying and he quickly jumps ship.

Boxer, you've died in my heart a long time ago =/

Q: Recently people have said TvZ is hard.

A: I'm probably the one who has said it most! We've got to wait for the next patch, but for now we just try our best. I had this momentary thought in my head, that if I was eliminated I would switch races. Actually I want to go random. In internal battles, for a time, I was random.

Q：最近人族在TvZ上都说难打。

A：我估计是说的最多的（笑）。必须要等到下次补丁更新，现在我只能想办法克服。这次我有个念头一闪而过，就是如果这次被淘汰的话是不是要换个种族。其实我最希望用的是随机。在内测时我有一段时间时用随机的。

On October 31 2010 04:39 lastmotion wrote:


Zerg hatchery = 300 mineral + drone lost (50) mineral + lost mining time from that one drone until a new drone comes out to replace it. So it's extremely close to 400 minerals




I really lost all respect for Boxer at this point. We know that T is actually OP instead of UP because the last 2 patches wasn't that impacting. Yes even the supply before rax nerf actually just makes T play a more macro-orientated opening and he will be ahead. The roach range increase affected ZvP a lot more than ZvT, and Roaches are still crushed by tanks/banshees/marauders. The other nerf was the tank nerf but then again, it still kills lings in the same number of hits as before and after patch. The only REAL nerf was the reaper delay. Well that's okay because Terran still has a million other openings to choose from mid-game. Basically, the last two patches didn't do much.

Now, we know Boxer is a paid progamer and he plays T. He is in a position where his fans will dislike him if he abandons the T race. Thats why he can't really switch races. (Notice how he said random instead of Z or P?) Therefore, the best thing for his CAREER is to complain and whine until Terran can get buffed. I don't blame him for choosing his career over the balance of the game. But still, that's somewhat selfish in my eyes. This is coming from a man who "did" so much for the e-sports community. One sign of BW dying and he quickly jumps ship.

Boxer, you've died in my heart a long time ago =/

On October 31 2010 04:39 lastmotion wrote:


Zerg hatchery = 300 mineral + drone lost (50) mineral + lost mining time from that one drone until a new drone comes out to replace it. So it's extremely close to 400 minerals




I really lost all respect for Boxer at this point. We know that T is actually OP instead of UP because the last 2 patches wasn't that impacting. Yes even the supply before rax nerf actually just makes T play a more macro-orientated opening and he will be ahead. The roach range increase affected ZvP a lot more than ZvT, and Roaches are still crushed by tanks/banshees/marauders. The other nerf was the tank nerf but then again, it still kills lings in the same number of hits as before and after patch. The only REAL nerf was the reaper delay. Well that's okay because Terran still has a million other openings to choose from mid-game. Basically, the last two patches didn't do much.

Now, we know Boxer is a paid progamer and he plays T. He is in a position where his fans will dislike him if he abandons the T race. Thats why he can't really switch races. (Notice how he said random instead of Z or P?) Therefore, the best thing for his CAREER is to complain and whine until Terran can get buffed. I don't blame him for choosing his career over the balance of the game. But still, that's somewhat selfish in my eyes. This is coming from a man who "did" so much for the e-sports community. One sign of BW dying and he quickly jumps ship.

Boxer, you've died in my heart a long time ago =/

On October 31 2010 04:59 TLOBrian wrote:
I honestly really couldn't have said it better myself. I loved Boxer when I watched him when I first got into Starcraft. Boxer may have been the top Broodwar player at one time, but it remains to be seen if he is the top Sc2 player. Even if he was the top Sc2 player, he still can't dictate balance. He can say Terran is Up all he wants, but its not really going to change anything. Good luck Boxer.