EPTit's like saying hey terran have no good way of scouting before orbital, how could you even come up with such a pointless argument
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
it's like saying hey terran have no good way of scouting before orbital, how could you even come up with such a pointless argument | ||
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Skee
Canada702 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:29 cArn- wrote: no good scouting options what ????? it's like saying hey terran have no good way of scouting before orbital, how could you even come up with such a pointless argument Protoss has that argument, with you need hallucination or an observer. Much further down the tech tree... lol... | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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TeamSoliduss
41 Posts
I don't know what kind of crack he's on but saying TvZ is hard because zerg just got made a little bit less underpowered is quite funny. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I also don't agree with Boxer here, he really should give it some more time before judging balance. There's still the most Terrans in the top 8 of the GSL and they still win the most tournaments. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:41 TeamSoliduss wrote: TvZ ? Hard ? I don't know what kind of crack he's on but saying TvZ is hard because zerg just got made a little bit less underpowered is quite funny. I think it's a little inappropriate to say the most influential man in e-sports is on crack. Criticize him if you must but, don't take a shot at him while you are doing it. | ||
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nedamise
169 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:41 TeamSoliduss wrote: TvZ ? Hard ? I don't know what kind of crack he's on but saying TvZ is hard because zerg just got made a little bit less underpowered is quite funny. In one of the recent streams Day9 said that the problem isn't in the fact that Zerg was buffed a bit but that Terran now has less openings (or none) with which he can pressure the Zerg early on and stop him from getting a macro advantage and from there on it's an uphill battle. Which is true, Terran needs to pressure Zerg early in some way just as much as Zerg needs an extra base from the get go. It's not the Zerg buff that's the issue here, it's the supply depot-rax change. It's difficult to say if that makes them UP in the matchup (most likely they just need to find new ways to deal with things) but it is true that top Terrans who are currently participating in the GSL (Boxer included) were pushed into a position where they need to radically change their gameplay against Zerg with little time to practice and even less time to experiment. On the other hand Zerg players have the benefit of keeping the same gamestyle they had before but not having to worry about early pressure. So yeah, Terrans are struggling vs Zerg, it's just not clear if it's balance or they need to time to modify their gameplay. | ||
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HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
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Xtar
79 Posts
Doesn't make sense any other way. | ||
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TeamSoliduss
41 Posts
Crying that your race has been nerfed and a match suddenly became "hard" because the opposing race is no longer total shit is just ridiculous. | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On October 30 2010 07:46 FortuneSyn wrote: It's sad that boxer has brought balance up this many times. Didn't FruitDealer do it to? Of course he brings up his opinion, every pro does because people look to them for this stuff. | ||
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nedamise
169 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:53 ckw wrote: Didn't FruitDealer do it to? Of course he brings up his opinion, every pro does because people look to them for this stuff. Apparently Check spams and whines to Blizzard on a daily basis xD | ||
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TeamSoliduss
41 Posts
Overall that attitude is pretty pathetic and quite noobish in my opinion, pro player or not. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:57 TeamSoliduss wrote: FruitDealer at least had a valid point. Even while riding the imba train I cannot begin to count the number of times Terrans came up with "definitive proof" that "terran is underpowered and needs to be buffed even more" because they found some obscure replay of a zerg miraculously pulling a win vs a terran... Overall that attitude is pretty pathetic and quite noobish in my opinion, pro player or not. I don't understand how is FruitDealer's whining more "valid" than BoxeR's? | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:57 TeamSoliduss wrote: FruitDealer at least had a valid point. Even while riding the imba train I cannot begin to count the number of times Terrans came up with "definitive proof" that "terran is underpowered and needs to be buffed even more" because they found some obscure replay of a zerg miraculously pulling a win vs a terran... Overall that attitude is pretty pathetic and quite noobish in my opinion, pro player or not. So FruitDealer's "valid" point about BroodLords being UP is correct? Ok, I am just going to stop now...  | ||
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TeamSoliduss
41 Posts
On October 31 2010 03:00 DonKey_ wrote: I don't understand how is FruitDealer's whining more "valid" than BoxeR's? Because one of them played a notoriously and admittedly overpowered race and the other didn't ? On October 31 2010 03:01 ckw wrote: So FruitDealer's "valid" point about BroodLords being UP is correct? Ok, I am just going to stop now... Clearly an absurdly expensive Tier 3/3.5 unit really represented how zerg were "overpowered" for having a valid powerful unit at the SUPER LATE GAME stage while terrans "only" had the upper hand for... the rest of the match ? | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On October 31 2010 03:01 TeamSoliduss wrote: Because one of them played a notoriously and admittedly overpowered race and the other didn't ? ? what ? are you trying to say BoxeR is one of those FOTM players who switches to whatever race is strongest presently? If so you must have missed the game called Starcraft:Brood War. BoxeR did not pick terran because they were "op" ( which is your opinion and not shared by everyone) at the time, he picked them because he was known as The Emperor of Terran. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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TeamSoliduss
41 Posts
Willing or not, he plays a race that has been notoriously overpowered for months; He shouldn't bitch that it's "harder" but that it's now more or less "even". It's like if in a gunfight you bitched that your opponent got a gun instead of the slingshot he's been using the entire time... | ||
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
On October 31 2010 02:37 cilinder007 wrote: why is this turning into a PvT balance thread ??? Well right now I think that is the matchup that needs the most tweaking. TvZ has gotten surprisingly balanced if you ask me ... Terran need to apply some pressure while macroing to avoid the Zerg macroing freely. Zerg as to defend said pressure with as little as possible to macro better ... "working as intended" I believe. Let's let the Terrans adapt to the new style and see how things go. I am not upset to see the 1 basing 40 APM Terrans get roflstomped out of Diamond when they realize they can't play the game past their 1 base build order. ZvP has always been pretty good. TvP on the other hand has the big problem of a massive imbalance one way early and the other way late (this is according to Blizzard). This creates the illusion of balance if you look at win rates but is not in fact a good way to leave the matchup and Blizzard said they were looking into it. As for the GSL results they seem pretty even right now. I think Protoss had fewer good players to start with and a few lost to better players last round (SangHo and Inca). The PvT games that were balanced skill-wise have been interesting and close so it doesn't seem to be too badly imbalanced overall. The brackets in this GSL were also a little unfortunate as they have created a ton of mirror matches between the best players of each race (Idra vs Zenio, Boxer vs Nada, Inca vs Genius are the most prominent). This should get better once the players get known and GOM can seed accordingly. | ||
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