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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Remember the fruitdealer QQ post, his (and idra's) constant threat to switch to terran, their constant QQing....now compare the difference of "class", it's far from the non stop QQ we had to endure for 2 months and that pollued every threads. (even if the zergs were right to say they were UP) Now boxer just says he dosen't want terran to be nerfed any more, and I think everyone can agree on this one. | ||
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HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
On October 31 2010 06:12 lastmotion wrote: Awesome, you attack my character than my content. If my post has things you disagree with, feel free to point them out rather than using ad hominem attacks. So people who do not agree with your views are "wrong as a person?" I feel like its incredibly ironic for you to say something like that, because of how much assumption + anger you display in your post. In my eyes, the person that has so much wrong is you EDIT: I just dug up some of your posts and you're clearly delusional because you assumed T was underpowered and Z was the "strongest race" LOL. That explains why Z dominated the tournaments right? (except GSL because Fruitdealer showed us Skill can overcome balance sometimes) This post where you derail a world-class foreign player just shows how hateful and biased you are. How were you not banned from a post like this? wow Derail a world class player? What the fuck are you talking about? You just said "I JUST LOST ALL RESPECT FOR THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME" when your opinion on Boxer, BW or SC II is completely irrelevant. How good of a player are you? Link me to your sc2ranks.com profile please because you can't possibly have a clue. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
This post where you derail a world-class foreign player just shows how hateful and biased you are. How were you not banned from a post like this? wow Quite the opposite my friend. So sad to see fanboys flaiming and taking every single balance discussion like a personal insult. Why the need to be offensive towards people playing the other races? Is this a WOW thing or something? Wiling to go as far as saying things like "i lost all respect for Boxer" for what? For pointing out what he thinks is wrong? Boxers word bears 10 times more weight then that of any other player at this time. If you can not respect that then, flame away. Some utterly pathetic posts in here. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
I find it hilarious about all the terrans complaining about balance now. These were the same people saying "Zerg isn't imba, just use Nydus Canal more! Then several patches that helped zerg a lot come, and all of the sudden these ones telling the zergs to stop "qqing" are now qqing themselves. Funny. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:16 Comeh wrote: I just want to come in here and say: I find it hilarious about all the terrans complaining about balance now. These were the same people saying "Zerg isn't imba, just use Nydus Canal more! Then several patches that helped zerg a lot come, and all of the sudden these ones telling the zergs to stop "qqing" are now qqing themselves. Funny. Only problem is the Zerg got buffed, and the Terran got nerfed respectively. Had they kept Terran at that previous level, it would not be a problem. | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:21 Reaper9 wrote: Only problem is the Zerg got buffed, and the Terran got nerfed respectively. Had they kept Terran at that previous level, it would not be a problem. ^^^ QFT The gap widened further when Blizzard buffed Zerg AND nerfed Terran in the same patch. They should have just buffed Zerg, left Terran alone, and observed the new balance changes rather than acting so drastically. Now there are balance issues again and Blizzard will probably have to undo some of their last patch changes. | ||
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ironside
51 Posts
The real imbalance in tvz match up is the level of micro and tactical thinking needed to optimize terran play compare to zerg. Terran have to constantly harass to stay in the game, zerg just sit back and macro. Terran army micro is just in a different universe compared to zergs a-move for every unit then spam back to 200/200 army in 20 sec, its just mindless. Yes zerg have to put more apm into macro than terran but it doesnt make up for the ez-mode zerg gets for everything else. Blizz needs increase the micro requirements for zerg and the matchup will be fairer. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:36 ironside wrote: I understand some of boxers thinking, although im not sure terran is underpowered as such. The real imbalance in tvz match up is the level of micro and tactical thinking needed to optimize terran play compare to zerg. Terran have to constantly harass to stay in the game, zerg just sit back and macro. Terran army micro is just in a different universe compared to zergs a-move for every unit then spam back to 200/200 army in 20 sec, its just mindless. Yes zerg have to put more apm into macro than terran but it doesnt make up for the ez-mode zerg gets for everything else. Blizz needs increase the micro requirements for zerg and the matchup will be fairer. Play zerg and you'll realize zerg has alot more to do then just macro an army and sit back all game. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:00 Shikyo wrote: Now people are talking about Terran lategame needing help, while Ghost-Raven-MMM is really strong vs Protoss(P might still have a slight adv), and mass Thor-type build are cost-effective vs anything Z has and 200/200 army with about 10 Thors can't realistically be defeated anywhere near cost-efficiently. I just think that Ts are less comfortable with lategame because before they could finish their games early. It's not a matter of T's being comfortable in late game. A lot of T's would LOVE to be able to play a late game macro game. You can't though. That's why you see T's doing their best to win early. Because if the game goes past 15 minutes it's virtually impossibe to win versus templar free storm warp ins and larva inject. Do you and other people really think that top tier Terrans are "not comfortable" late game vs P/Z? I truly wish that were the case.. | ||
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Innsmouth-Zerg
Austria137 Posts
both camps (team terra OP and team terra UP) | ||
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lastmotion
368 Posts
On October 31 2010 06:33 HalfAmazing wrote: Derail a world class player? What the fuck are you talking about? You just said "I JUST LOST ALL RESPECT FOR THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME" when your opinion on Boxer, BW or SC II is completely irrelevant. How good of a player are you? Link me to your sc2ranks.com profile please because you can't possibly have a clue. Yes I said I lost respect for Boxer but I didn't label him as a biased deceiving pathetic guy riding on his stardom to complain like you clearly did for Idra. The word "pathetic" does not even exist in my post about Boxer, and I see "idiotic" and "pathetic" where you described Idra. How does how good of a player I am have anything to do with how badly you insulted a world-class player, and what kind of douche you are? | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On October 31 2010 04:39 lastmotion wrote: Zerg hatchery = 300 mineral + drone lost (50) mineral + lost mining time from that one drone until a new drone comes out to replace it. So it's extremely close to 400 minerals I really lost all respect for Boxer at this point. We know that T is actually OP instead of UP because the last 2 patches wasn't that impacting. Yes even the supply before rax nerf actually just makes T play a more macro-orientated opening and he will be ahead. The roach range increase affected ZvP a lot more than ZvT, and Roaches are still crushed by tanks/banshees/marauders. The other nerf was the tank nerf but then again, it still kills lings in the same number of hits as before and after patch. The only REAL nerf was the reaper delay. Well that's okay because Terran still has a million other openings to choose from mid-game. Basically, the last two patches didn't do much. Now, we know Boxer is a paid progamer and he plays T. He is in a position where his fans will dislike him if he abandons the T race. Thats why he can't really switch races. (Notice how he said random instead of Z or P?) Therefore, the best thing for his CAREER is to complain and whine until Terran can get buffed. I don't blame him for choosing his career over the balance of the game. But still, that's somewhat selfish in my eyes. This is coming from a man who "did" so much for the e-sports community. One sign of BW dying and he quickly jumps ship. Boxer, you've died in my heart a long time ago =/ ya i agree with the guy who says this is bs. this is just your paranoid thoughts about the situation, and shows quite a bit about your character as a person. you automatically assume the worst and make tons of assumptions. classy | ||
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QkDown
United States214 Posts
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
His humility when it comes to his opponents and his play style is just so classy. I'm SO excited about his comeback! Boxer fighting! | ||
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BluFenix
United States32 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:28 StarcraftMan wrote: The gap widened further when Blizzard buffed Zerg AND nerfed Terran in the same patch. They should have just buffed Zerg, left Terran alone, and observed the new balance changes rather than acting so drastically. Now there are balance issues again and Blizzard will probably have to undo some of their last patch changes. Not to pick on you specifically, but I think this post gives a great perspective of the last two patches. I distinctly remember the previous patch (1.1.1.numbers) where the only changes that were done were the ones posted in the situation report months ago. Everyone screamed that this wasn't enough, it didn't change things drastically enough, blah blah. Now look at what we have, and even Boxer is mentioning this? Boxer saying something small like "Oh I might go random whatever" is essentially equal to all of the zerg players screaming imbalance since retail. As a zerg player, I agree that when I see Terran, I smile. The only time I really lose is when I get bunkered and don't scout, and that's usually my problem anyway. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On October 31 2010 08:31 BluFenix wrote: As a zerg player, I agree that when I see Terran, I smile. The only time I really lose is when I get bunkered and don't scout, and that's usually my problem anyway. To be fair, what exactly are the reasons for that? I'm absolutely confident facing Terrans (as P), for instance, but that's more due to having played a lot of the MU comparatively and being very familiar with the very standard straight-up play of most ladder terrans. But watching some of the high-level Terrans multitask rather than 1a makes me want to hide under my bed. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:57 avilo wrote: It's not a matter of T's being comfortable in late game. A lot of T's would LOVE to be able to play a late game macro game. You can't though. That's why you see T's doing their best to win early. Because if the game goes past 15 minutes it's virtually impossibe to win versus templar free storm warp ins and larva inject. Do you and other people really think that top tier Terrans are "not comfortable" late game vs P/Z? I truly wish that were the case.. But you can though just because you don't know how doesn't mean its not possible. Lots of players have done it, Drewbie does it good, MVP does it good, Nada does it good I mean i'm sorry you can't but thats your problem not balance. Seriously the last 10+ posts of yours are how terran sucks and needs a buff lol. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
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