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Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 02:47:59
March 24 2010 02:47 GMT
#2081
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2010 07:47 briann wrote:
ok lets vote !
[image loading]

Poll: who should i buy first
(Vote): Veiger
(Vote): Twisted Fate
(Vote): Fiddlesticks
(Vote): Ryze



Twisted... Top tier ftw xD thats all that needs to be said. I've only played TF out of all 4 of em tho (yes both old TF + new DPS TF)
BeSt[WHITE] Have a great retirement | "SKT is best KT." - Vortok | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7190/ep24hitcombo2small.gif
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 24 2010 02:51 GMT
#2082
I have been owning with Ezreal. Won my last 10 games, have a 46:21 win/lose ratio.

He's so fun to play, I feel like I'm Gohan or something.
Retvrn to Forvms
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
March 24 2010 03:39 GMT
#2083
I've seen really really bad ezreals, and a lot of them.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 03:52:02
March 24 2010 03:49 GMT
#2084
On March 24 2010 06:13 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 06:10 briann wrote:
hmm who to buy Evelynn or Veigar as a first hero

no

lol, if you're really set on one of them, Veigar. They're both pretty meh though. Veigar is certainly the better of the two.


ok so people always say 'buhh evelyn' sucks

the truth is she sucks against organised teams who are good at organising team fights and knowing where their opponents are (going),
if you play solo pubs, especially at lower levels, Eve is a monster and will dominate extremely well, she can also carry extremely effectively at any level because of the health effect from her ult and potentially ridiculous damage output. Plus her attacks cannot be blinded (you will only get rid of the lich bane proc)
If you are looking for a hero at lower levels who will get you a lot of wins out of those two, pick evelynn. If you are looking for a hero who you can become a regular with and use at a high level, pick neither.

Eve is easy to neutralise by an organised team and if starved she is worse then useless but unfortunately if you don't stop her early then she doesnt NEED her stealth because she is faster then you and will just walk up and stomp you.
: o )
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 24 2010 03:52 GMT
#2085
as soon as people find where wards and oracles are in pubs, eve becomes pretty awful. I'll agree she's a pain in the ass before then.
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Alchemyst
Profile Joined August 2009
United States36 Posts
March 24 2010 04:28 GMT
#2086
As long as one person on the team tells them to buy oracles, and the team listens, it's over for eve.
Eve works well early on before the money for an oracle comes in, and can very well set up an easy first blood with a good laning partner.

But later on, she's pretty much toast. Stun and nuke.
Fantasy and Stork Fanboy.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
March 24 2010 04:35 GMT
#2087
I would also like to point out that Eve is outclassed in just about every way by Shaco, Twitch, Mundo...
Mundo can 1v1 Eve at any point in the game with even gold, while not flopping over and dying in teamfights.
Shaco can jungle a little by himself, is much better at ganks, can incinerate turrets, and most importantly can actually escape.
Twitch can't be totally shut down with 400 gold. Also, he does AoE damage, can gank more safely (doesn't rely on getting kills to survive), has decent CC, and can not only survive but single-handedly win teamfights.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 24 2010 06:06 GMT
#2088
you forgot to mention that Twitch is also ranged. He has worse CC though... a snare that makes you unable to expunge < a legit stun. But yea, Eve blows. I love seeing them try to be sneaky when you have oracles, then you just gold card and team kill them in < 1 second. She's a squishy Melee burst/DPSer that relies entirely on not being seen... gl with that vs. competence.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
March 24 2010 06:38 GMT
#2089
I don't feel like Nasus gets enough attention (but maybe that's ok so I can keep getting him every game). I've been using Messiah's guide and it absolutely rapes if you're aiming for team play. It's not as great in solo queue where everyone wants to be DPS all-kill glory and you get Ashe,Twitch,Yi, and Twisted for teammates.
MIK Terran
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 07:14:18
March 24 2010 07:13 GMT
#2090
On March 24 2010 15:38 Ruken wrote:
I don't feel like Nasus gets enough attention (but maybe that's ok so I can keep getting him every game). I've been using Messiah's guide and it absolutely rapes if you're aiming for team play. It's not as great in solo queue where everyone wants to be DPS all-kill glory and you get Ashe,Twitch,Yi, and Twisted for teammates.

Yes, yes. Nasus by Messiah is awesome, my friend plays him and he is awesome. I use twitch and go to jungle and he always takes 1v2 lane and survives with no problems - unless he has some retarded lane like morde+trist/zil then i usually come back to him after golem/lizard (or at lvl 6 if he survives, but if he survives till i have lvl 6 it's usually me ganking -> double kill -> he can again farm 1v2 and i can go help mid).
It is quite durable at the beginning, useful in teamfight in like the middle parts of the game and absolutely rapes later on (most of our games end at like 14-16 lvl though so you don't get to own with him often, however his tanking power on ult and his utility in team is there whole game).

Actually even from reading various posts i have a feeling that everyone seems to appreciate this char but still no one is talking about him. Poor nasus
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 07:20:43
March 24 2010 07:19 GMT
#2091
On March 24 2010 16:13 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 15:38 Ruken wrote:
I don't feel like Nasus gets enough attention (but maybe that's ok so I can keep getting him every game). I've been using Messiah's guide and it absolutely rapes if you're aiming for team play. It's not as great in solo queue where everyone wants to be DPS all-kill glory and you get Ashe,Twitch,Yi, and Twisted for teammates.

Yes, yes. Nasus by Messiah is awesome, my friend plays him and he is awesome. I use twitch and go to jungle and he always takes 1v2 lane and survives with no problems - unless he has some retarded lane like morde+trist/zil then i usually come back to him after golem/lizard (or at lvl 6 if he survives, but if he survives till i have lvl 6 it's usually me ganking -> double kill -> he can again farm 1v2 and i can go help mid).
It is quite durable at the beginning, useful in teamfight in like the middle parts of the game and absolutely rapes later on (most of our games end at like 14-16 lvl though so you don't get to own with him often, however his tanking power on ult and his utility in team is there whole game).

Actually even from reading various posts i have a feeling that everyone seems to appreciate this char but still no one is talking about him. Poor nasus

Interesting. Does your friend get a meki pendant or anything like that to help with mana regen so he can spam Spirit Fire to protect the tower? Even with the proper runes and masteries I find that I still run low on mana in the early game if I'm soloing. I wish this game had a replay function so I could actually WATCH how other nasus players play.

edit: oh and the best game I ever had with Nasus was 18-1-10 ^_^
MIK Terran
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
March 24 2010 07:37 GMT
#2092
If you use Spirit Fire only when necessary you really dont need mana regen. Especially if you put 11 pts into utility tree to make use of the op meditation.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 09:28:57
March 24 2010 09:23 GMT
#2093
server down for a while O_o
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 14:23:24
March 24 2010 12:55 GMT
#2094
On March 24 2010 16:19 Ruken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 16:13 Kaniol wrote:
On March 24 2010 15:38 Ruken wrote:
I don't feel like Nasus gets enough attention (but maybe that's ok so I can keep getting him every game). I've been using Messiah's guide and it absolutely rapes if you're aiming for team play. It's not as great in solo queue where everyone wants to be DPS all-kill glory and you get Ashe,Twitch,Yi, and Twisted for teammates.

Yes, yes. Nasus by Messiah is awesome, my friend plays him and he is awesome. I use twitch and go to jungle and he always takes 1v2 lane and survives with no problems - unless he has some retarded lane like morde+trist/zil then i usually come back to him after golem/lizard (or at lvl 6 if he survives, but if he survives till i have lvl 6 it's usually me ganking -> double kill -> he can again farm 1v2 and i can go help mid).
It is quite durable at the beginning, useful in teamfight in like the middle parts of the game and absolutely rapes later on (most of our games end at like 14-16 lvl though so you don't get to own with him often, however his tanking power on ult and his utility in team is there whole game).

Actually even from reading various posts i have a feeling that everyone seems to appreciate this char but still no one is talking about him. Poor nasus

Interesting. Does your friend get a meki pendant or anything like that to help with mana regen so he can spam Spirit Fire to protect the tower? Even with the proper runes and masteries I find that I still run low on mana in the early game if I'm soloing. I wish this game had a replay function so I could actually WATCH how other nasus players play.

edit: oh and the best game I ever had with Nasus was 18-1-10 ^_^

No mana regen item, no runes, i know that he mentioned meditation but i'm not sure if 1 or 3 points in it. He rarely gets low on mana and if he does he usually told me beforehand so i go and defend lane while he goes to town. But most of the times he doesn't have to go back before i reach lvl 6 and when i reach lvl 6 I obviously gank them so then he can go back if needed while i care for (sometimes empty when gank is very succesful he heee) lane.

And yeah, i can't wait for replay option...


EDIT: Yeah, i just spoke to my friend and he told me that he goes 11 utility and usually that's enough (when not then he just calls me back on lane)
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 24 2010 14:31 GMT
#2095
meditation is definitely op early game. it's +5 mana regen/5 with 3 points in it. With a full 9 Mp5pL glyphs, you don't even catch up on that regen until like level 7.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
March 24 2010 14:39 GMT
#2096
In my limited (only up to level 15) experience, I'd say that Ryze tends to sway games a lot more than most heroes = the main reason my W-L record is like 28-35 is because I always end up going against him, and never playing him. Plus, I tend to pick heroes based on how much fun they are to play, rather than their top-tier-ness or carry-ness. Thus, I play a lot of Amumu, Morgana, Cho'Gath, and Mordekaiser, which leads to some pubbers going "omg just pick Twitch u nub." (Although honestly, I consider Gana a top-tier hero if played correctly, but whatever).

...sigh. I need to start actually playing with TL people rather than just pubbing.
SUNSFANNED
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-24 14:46:35
March 24 2010 14:44 GMT
#2097
Ryze sways games against idiots and/or if he has a strong clump disable like Alistar/Amumu. It's literally only when they're close enough for his AoE to trigger effectively that he rocks... which means he'll show his true potential maybe once a game. Personally I covet that sort of explosive potential (why I love Twitch), but from an overall, all-around perspective he's pretty crappy.

To an extent I believe that's the case for most of the "top-tier" AoE disablers. They all have massive "comeback" potential which prevents you from ever being out of the game... until the other team is superfarmed. That's why Amumu and Morgana, with their game-changing ults, are constantly ranked decently (mid-tier). Cho'Gath is ranked decently because of his AoE 4-second silence, while Morde is considered an "okay" hero because he'll stay on top if he's ahead, but he'll almost never sway a game when he falls behind.

Honestly, at your level Ryze is probably swaying games more often because you can "roll your face across the keyboard and own" with him, and people are more-often-than-not simply "rolling their faces across their keyboards," both with and against him.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 24 2010 15:15 GMT
#2098
this one time, a Ryze ran into me (TF) soloing dragon. he rolled his face on the keyboard for a couple seconds, and when the dust settled I had like 30 hp left. then I gold carded him and pushed his shit in while he was in CD-mode. tru story.

Ryze is plenty explosive enough to merit your team's attention, but the problem is that he just gets focused down SOOO quickly. Pretty much any self respecting stun is enough to guarantee his death before he can blow his load.


in other news, ggs last night TLers. Sorry that my Ali is still way too aggressive early game. I have such a hard time adjusting the fact that I basically do no damage and can't take efficiently without my ult :p. That second game was a trainwreck, but the opposing team seemed pretty solid.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
March 24 2010 15:22 GMT
#2099
Hahah, I was just remarking to a friend last night about that.

"When I play Twitch, the rest of the team just starts to look like meatshields
Meatshield with bone (single-target stun)
Meatshield with big bone! (aoe-stun)
Meatshield with big rib and a leg-bone! (imbacow)

And then there's Steve.
He's just a decoy.
Look, guys, I crapped out a Ryze in front of me.
GO AFTER HIM!"
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 24 2010 15:40 GMT
#2100
aye I wouldnt invest in utility with nasus, I mained him for a while hes one of my top 3. basically until you have significant spirit fire(lvl 3) its not even worth using because all your doing is pushing the lane back and helping the opposition. at lvl you will last hit ranged minions automatically, lvl 4 clears a whole wave besides the big one. I like to take golem with him if we have no casters, or if we do, ill just carry a couple of mana pots around. chalice really isnt worth investing in when nasus farms so easily, you will have 6 items before you know it.

my tank build I usually do with him 0-21-9,

merc treads
sheen
banshee veil
warden's mail/thornmail (depends if their carries have MR or not)
aegis
frozenheart/sunfire cape(if some one else is building frozen)

game still going? finish tri-force

DPS build
21-0-9

Merc treads
Sheen
Stark's
banshee veil
infinity edge
phage

game still going? finish mallet.

I've had success with both, just depends on their team comp and mine. I usually make a decision at loading screen

usually run Ghost/cleanse or Ghost/exhaust or rally
Brees on in
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