[?] Spades hacking? - Page 101

6:15 Building the engine bay at that time is fine when you fast expand, you do that vs. Terran unless you want to die to banshee, you also do it against Protoss unless you want to die to DT, scanning after engine bay creation lets you know if you need to build more then 1 Turrent at each base or none, Boxer is someone who does this often.

9:11 I don’t see that as a Camera block, he had to put an SCV into gas, and he accidentally put 2 into gas, and stop commanded a SCV, then clicked it and created a supply depot, he wasn’t looking anywhere else far as I am concerned.

9:30 I can see moving those 2 Vikings to the smoke is suspicious, but if he couldn’t look at the base, how could he know it was a banshee (unless he can see the whole map, and see the pixel move off from the base, then he would know it is a banshee or medivac), I know top Terran’s always have something at that smoke, a group of marines a Viking or two, supply depot, or a missile turret. But I agree that was a very suspicious time to put them there.

10:45 I do not see a camera block here, He micro’d a marine around the only way he could do that if his screen was at the centre of the map, would be him rallying the marine around, which if you click on the marine was not the case. plus if he has a map hack even an amateur can tell if there is a big group at the tower by the size of the blue pixels on the minimap who would move the screen to look.

2:14 using minimap to rally an SCV to starting locations, who does not do that?

6:00 no engine bay is normal, you don’t get the engine bay that early if you do not fast cc(expand), he is one basing at the moment going Viking for his tank strategy is also perfectly normal. However something that could lead to Spades being caught hacking is making sure he rally’s his Viking every game, he has so far, so if anyone has replays of other games of Spades, and he does not rally his Viking to the corners of his base, like he seems to so far, then that is very suspicious if he only does it in certain matches, if however he does rally often, then Viking placement is not an indication he hacks.

7:47 standard bunker location, for TvsT putting the tank there is no indication, furthermore at
9:04 if spades could see what was going on he would know he could siege that tank further in rather then on the ramp, either he is putting on a show to avoid suspicion or he cannot see.

14:10 the scan on his army does usually indicate Terran wants to do something so I could see that making him move around a bit but the siege on the cliff without seeing anything is suspicious, although he did have the centre watch tower so guarding the route he cannot see would seem logical, I am undecided.

20:30 was not the first scan of the game for him, his first scan was when he dropped at 17:47 seconds, to see what he was up against with his drop, at the front of lucifrons base. He didn’t look much into the scan though(HOWEVER that scan was a little off screen which is a bit weird), he saw a group of marines an tanks, so left. I would have moved my screen up a bit more to get a good look but maybe he is a side selector (camera is way off centre when you select an issue some commands), I noticed in game 1 he did this when he selected his 2 marines to send to the tower.
And does it now and then when creating supply depots.

3:55 that is suspicious when he issued the 3 SCV’s to move off his minerals all he knew about was 1 SCV trying to kill his building SCV no reason for 3 to be sent, it was not until 2 seconds later that he could have known about the marine. The 1 SCV at the ramp was from his barracks so that does not count.


5:08 that scan is very lucky or very suspicious although I must say, He knew he was def not above him, it was a 50/50 chance, it was cross positions, I’ve done a couple of these lucky scans, and I am sure a hell of a lot of high level Terran’s have as well. If a Terran sends out their first marine for a sneak, you bet they expo’d behind it.

12:10 so he has 2 engine bays in a 3 base macro game completely standard good stuff, but why is there no Missile turrets? Who goes to a 3 or more base TvT without making Turret’s I feel like spades either does not hack or I’m up against light Yagami or L level self control, and intellect because he is one tricky bastard.

15:05 well the scan that LucifroN did lets me know he does not have the tower, otherwise he can see the side of that scan if he did have the tower he would scan deeper, I know this so I would believe Spades knows this too, I’d say there is a thousand Terran’s that know it.

20:05 LucifroN scans not once but twice, see’s half a dozen medivac, and one tank protecting the middle route, when you are Vsing a Terran, and he scans something weak protecting a route to your base, expo, whatever, you bet your SCV’s fusion cutter he is going to head through that route, not suspicious at all.

2.50 the SCV he takes back home is on a hotkey of 1, I do what spades does a lot, you do not need to look since you know Terran has 1 racks 2 supply to block the ramp you press 1 and bring scv home or in the next 30 seconds a marine on the high ground will attack it.

5:21 his screen does not “lock” since he builds a supply etc, and he recalls his 2 marines of the 3 at the tower, sending 3-4 Marines to the tower to take it is common and recalling all but 1 is also common, however if he is map hacking he recalls them the second he knows the medivac is being built. You don’t need to look at a base to tell if a medivac or banshee is on the way since you can see on the map. Once the star port finishes if you see no little blue pixel appearing for the add on you know it’s a medivac, This however is not proof like I said, recalling all but 1 marine is common.

7:20 I could see selecting the army to add the new tank to the army hotkey as ok, but moving it the way he did then moved towards the hellions when he could not even see the drop that’s suspicious.

So I only see one suspicious move in game 4

8:00 so he stops hellion production yet he creates more at 8:32 he also went in with his group of hellions, and saw the bunker, and supply depots. Who attacks into that? He can see the third of LucifroN, and because the rocks are not being killed, assumes no third cc is on the way, so it is 2 base vs. 2 base at this moment.

10:50 Terran controls both watch towers, first rule of being a high level player, take towers with 1-2 units do not hold something that takes 1-2 units with your whole army, instead leave your army at your base because you have 30 seconds to reposition it when you see him with the xel towers.
Units at home good, no turrets on Shakuras bad. Spades remedy this!
Sun Tzu The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable."
In other words hold towers you know he cannot assault from there without your knowledge where else can he? that’s right Air keep the army at your base every pro does this.

14:00 could be suspicious you failed to mention the marine killed at 13:25 by LucifroN’s whole army and the scan at 13:53 that would make most Terran’s think a counter is very plausible the action of taking the tower is fine, taking it so late however is suspicious I would have taken in 3 seconds after seeing his main army at the third at 13:53.

16:30 why did he go down there to freeze the camera? Why not freeze it at his expo so he didn’t have to click so far away, besides when you say frozen he was performing actions. He put 3 SCV’s on his minerals, and rally pointed his Orbital command, he cannot do those things if he is looking in the fog for an army. This is not some camera block unless there is a hack that puts 3 SCV’s on your minerals but forgets to put the 4th that just built haha.

17:00 I saw him load up to, and his plan to drop through missile torrents into his base where nothing of worth was located, Spades did a normal thing leaving his units there, you save your cash before your 2 supply depots.

18:20 Terran scans, see’s huge death and decides to hit the third that is normal, also a normal action is seeing yourself scanned, knowing a Terran will not attack into you and going “oh yeah he will hit somewhere else, what’s my most important spot… ah my third” I am certain many pro Terran’s can tell what another Terran is going to do by where he scans, because I sure as hell can tell every action your going to do or think about doing in the next 15 seconds if you scan me.

21:10 he does not move until the scan on his expo, perfectly normal LucifroN learned the third was protected so checked the expo, soon as he see’s the expo has protection where do you drop, the main base, this is not suspicious Spades reacted to a scan, reacting to your opponent’s scans is proper TvT if you can’t do this TvT is going to be your weak match up.

22:57 he was tapping through and rallying his factories etc, but still it was suspicious he never keeps the screen still like that much, so when he does it’s a bit weird.

24:30 he does not react until he is scanned normal reaction. Seeing that scan lets you know, that the Terran checked, and if its weak he is coming in.

25:15 it was not until 25:18 that he unsieged however the vision from his refinery saw a decent blob of blue 3 medivac an a raud at 25:15 I don’t see this as suspicious, if the army is moving middle he is not dropping.

25:35 you missed the one raud poke that lets LucifroN know he cannot attack up that ramp, it also lets whoever is playing (spades) know he will not come up that ramp, at 25:35 LucifroN scans Spades army, making sure of his location, read your opponents scan he is not coming up that ramp. Where else is he going to go? The third. Normal move.

25:50 Spades read the situation correctly, thought the third would be attacked, he got dropped instead, and was not prepared.

29:35 yet again he was scanned twice Spades missed the first one but saw the 2nd scan, of course you would move forward to check, an attack was highly likely.

30:40 LucifroN scanned Spades expo, normal thinking as usual scan reading is what keeps you ahead of your opponent he scanned the expo saw it was weak, Spades saw this to, and its easy to tell what LucifroN is going to do, 3 secs later spades moves his tanks to his expo that’s normal.

32:15 can be a little suspicious but he saw LucifroN scan him twice, he was not going to attack or drop the main or expo because of what he saw with the scan, Spades should also know this, the third was a normal choice.

32:25 LucifroN reads the scan of Spades, falls back he knows Spades knows he is there, you know? As you can see high level Terran’s read opponent scans.

32:50 yeah that was suspicious, but if you have a good game sense you know he just tried to hit the third and retreated he won’t hit the natural so as usual he will drop the main, as LucifroN came to this conclusions when he had to drop the main 10 minutes ago, I am undecided with this move.

Close positions, Terran going either cloak banshee, medivac bio drops, or hellion drops is pretty common it is a little suss he went for a Raven but after several long games, I would expect my opponent to try something like that specially on close positions.

7:20 moving to his minerals is fairly normal I don’t think it is terribly suspicious many Korean pro’s hang around like that.

14:30 he drops his expo orbital command, me and 99% of other players like the idea or protecting our expo’s as we transfer SCV’s. I don’t see any problem here.

16:55 is a little suspicious he didn’t really need to hold that position because he was not making a gold Command Center or anything but its not that bad. Any re-positions where normal he had seen the Vikings and medivac poke of course he is ready for an attack.