[?] Spades hacking? - Page 100

On June 05 2012 13:33 dignitas.merz wrote:
I liked most part of CatZ stream, I regret that they put so much weight onto the "magic scan" though because;

1) You don't always see the center of the scan when you pull it off on camera (as they claim)
2) It wasn't their strongest piece of evidence

IMO: And people have previously stated this in the thread, the strongest piece of evidence I find in all this mess is the fact that in a 7 game series, Spades never once looks at the fog of war UNLESS he's actually clicking in it (which disables the camera lock? If I understand this correctly). However, when watching his ladder games/streamed games he watches the fog of war quite a lot before even clicking there. How you all of a sudden start playing (seemingly) by using the minimap only, and the only time you ever are in the fog of war is if you're right clicking in it, when you on ladder or when on stream constantly check the Fog of war, is just too weird for me.

TT1 mentioned one stream that we're creature of habits, you don't suddenly stop doing things that you were doing in fifty, probably hundreds of games before. If ANYONE has a reasonable explanation to why Spades isn't looking at the Fog of war even once in the bo7 series against LucifroN, I'd like to hear it.

On June 05 2012 13:40 rhs408 wrote:

I bet Lucifron is the OP LOOOL

On June 05 2012 13:38 BlackVelvet wrote:
To clarify about these "magic scans" -- the ones made with the center off-screen (and where use of the minimap doesn't seem viable), what does that indicate? I'm assuming it means his cursor isn't confined to the normal game as he's playing it, possibly involved in his hack software, but my understanding is vague.

On June 05 2012 13:38 FakeDeath wrote:
Yup pretty sure Spades career is down the drain now.
The " magic scan " ,sending your scv and not scouting the enemy tech with your scv is already pretty telling he was hacking.
No doubt the part where he siege all his tanks at the edge of his natutal with 0 map vision.( Why the heck would you siege
your all your tanks at the edge of your natural WTF). I guess he is really " lucky " encountering Lucifer army at the side at
Entombed Valley. Spades was hacking.

On June 05 2012 12:51 shivver wrote:


You can see the gas in the mini-map yo

I don't even like spades, I saw him in the earlier days banning people left and right from his stream for basically nothing.

But this is nothing but a bunch of high school drama from 2 different cliques. You call this evidence? Lol

It appears that spades has to play perfect because anything odd that he does is something wrong with his play or "he just sucks/retarded/bad" w/e catz and company want to call it.

He gets picked apart by drops which is a whole other story.

On June 05 2012 13:38 FakeDeath wrote:
Yup pretty sure Spades career is down the drain now.
The " magic scan " ,sending your scv and not scouting the enemy tech with your scv is already pretty telling he was hacking.
No doubt the part where he siege all his tanks at the edge of his natutal with 0 map vision.( Why the heck would you siege
your all your tanks at the edge of your natural WTF). I guess he is really " lucky " encountering Lucifer army at the side at
Entombed Valley. Spades was hacking.

On June 05 2012 13:43 NotR wrote:
I just want to say that the so called "analysis" by catz and illusion was very poorly conducted. I understand that in view of the nature of our gaming medium and it's history perhaps such a reckless approach maybe is justified and the ends justify the means. But regardless of whether he is or is not hacking, its easy to envision how with such a biased approach absolutely ANYONE can be labeled a "hacker" for even the slightest suspicious behaviour. A dangerous trend.

It was in no way balanced to provide both perspectives on the situation (example: the full army unsiege from the third to deal with the main drop - floating rax provided vision of incomming drop; the replay bug which was mentioned wherein it doesn't show the exact situation was absolutely ignored and not researched in deapth), it was prefaced with a promise of neutrality ("none of this is conclusive, its all fishy") wheras mutliple times durring the stream evidence was branded as "conclusive". After this you asked the audience for their "verdict" after what was basically 2 hours of biased speculation. You even at one point said that it was meaningless to invite Spades on because "he would either confirm or deny being a cheater"... what?

If you want to do a big drama episode thats fine, but don't call it anything other than that and don't ask for people's "verdict" after you essentially manipulated half of them into getting a giant drama-boner.

On June 05 2012 13:43 Gheed wrote:
I'm still not entirely convinced. I just don't understand the motive. Why, of all things to maphack in, would he maphack in a showmatch presented in part by his own team for absolutely no prize money? Is there any evidence of him hacking in any other tournaments? Who the hell posted this thread anyway?

I really fucking hate the way we've gone about doing this. Maybe he does hack, but I'm not sure the ends justify the means. If what people are saying is true, there are tons of cheaters in the pro scene, and I certainly don't want a shitstorm for every single one of them.

On June 05 2012 13:42 TedJustice wrote:

As soon as you scroll into the fog of war with this hack (that lets you see through the fog of war), the replay camera tracker is frozen still, until his camera moves back into an area he's supposed to be able to see.

On June 05 2012 13:44 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Did they discuss this on SotG? Because while I know incontrol's response, im really interested in what Artosis had to say about it.

On June 05 2012 13:19 TSBspartacus wrote:
cArn you admitted yourself you haven't watched all the games. The fact is you're defending a guy who didn't once have his camera into the fog of war in any of the replays provided, but scanned and moved armies and units with accuracy. Analyse the replays, pull your head out of your arse and then come back with your opinion. The point you seem to not understand is that map-hacks have this "screen-lock" which when you look into the fog of war, the camera will lock on the position you were looking. This is what Catz and co. have been trying to explain, and you can't see past it due to your own bias.