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On May 05 2010 01:03 Misrah wrote:to the hippies that actually think this is possible- find one animal that lives with out water. + Show Spoiler +once you give up go and take a nap. i dont want to hurt your brain 
As a MD I know this isn't possible, but just to humour you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade - 12 decades without water (true it is in a sleeping state, but still).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_rat - all the water it needs is produced from the food it eats and the degradation of it.
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Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
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Technically this is possible in hibernation.
Slower your metabolism, including your heart, to unbelievable lows. Your body would still consume your fat though,because it needs foods. So technically it is not really 'not eating'. Animals counter this by increasing their fat percentage before they go into hibernation. They would die if they don't have enough fat.
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On May 05 2010 01:31 Jayme wrote:Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process. Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya? just to humor you, who's to say that the indian man didn't just stay in suspended animation for 70 years.
but if he could, he could probably live in the vacuums of space. first astronaut that doesn't need a space suit. no problem.
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On May 05 2010 01:34 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:31 Jayme wrote:On May 05 2010 01:28 Ghostcom wrote:On May 05 2010 01:03 Misrah wrote:to the hippies that actually think this is possible- find one animal that lives with out water. + Show Spoiler +once you give up go and take a nap. i dont want to hurt your brain As a MD I know this isn't possible, but just to humour you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade - 12 decades without water (true it is in a sleeping state, but still). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_rat - all the water it needs is produced from the food it eats and the degradation of it. Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process. Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya? just to humor you, who's to say that the indian man didn't just stay in suspended animation for 70 years. but if he could, he could probably live in the vacuums of space. first astronaut that doesn't need a space suit. no problem.
I heard that there's a lot of radiation in space.
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On May 05 2010 01:37 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:34 redtooth wrote:On May 05 2010 01:31 Jayme wrote:On May 05 2010 01:28 Ghostcom wrote:On May 05 2010 01:03 Misrah wrote:to the hippies that actually think this is possible- find one animal that lives with out water. + Show Spoiler +once you give up go and take a nap. i dont want to hurt your brain As a MD I know this isn't possible, but just to humour you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade - 12 decades without water (true it is in a sleeping state, but still). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_rat - all the water it needs is produced from the food it eats and the degradation of it. Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process. Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya? just to humor you, who's to say that the indian man didn't just stay in suspended animation for 70 years. but if he could, he could probably live in the vacuums of space. first astronaut that doesn't need a space suit. no problem. I heard that there's a lot of radiation in space. the waterbear can survive up to 1000x the radiation humans can tolerate. this indian man one-upped the waterbear. he can survive the radiation.
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On May 05 2010 01:31 Jayme wrote:Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process. Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING. You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
I never claimed that the kangaroo rat didn't consume anything, just that it wasn't water...
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On May 05 2010 01:39 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:31 Jayme wrote:On May 05 2010 01:28 Ghostcom wrote:On May 05 2010 01:03 Misrah wrote:to the hippies that actually think this is possible- find one animal that lives with out water. + Show Spoiler +once you give up go and take a nap. i dont want to hurt your brain As a MD I know this isn't possible, but just to humour you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade - 12 decades without water (true it is in a sleeping state, but still). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_rat - all the water it needs is produced from the food it eats and the degradation of it. Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process. Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING. You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya? I never claimed that the kangaroo rat didn't consume anything, just that it wasn't water...
Yea but it still NEEDS water, it just gets it through the food it eats. I fail to see why you even brought the kangaroo rat up as it doesn't live without water at all.
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Does the guy pee or shit? If he does not eat or drink then nothing in means nothing out right?
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I just read the Jasmuheen section, and
"She claims that her DNA has expanded from 2 to 12 strands, to "absorb more hydrogen"."
wow...
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On May 05 2010 01:17 Navi wrote:
I wonder if this is remotely possible at all (given that there are several insects that can survive for years without water, etc., like that bug... I forgot its name) through genetic mutation.
I might as well try to make this somewhat educational since a few other people are posting nonsense.
Most low-water organisms either get water from their food (like koalas) or survive on water created by the metabolism of fuel, what's known as metabolic water (like desert rats). It comes from the reduction of oxygen to water (this is why you need oxygen), which helps power the replenishment of ATP (a chemical compound your cells use to get stuff done). Some small animals in extreme environments have become efficient enough at retaining water that this small supply is enough to sustain them.
Humans on the other hand lose so much water through our skin/lungs that we need to constantly replace it. We also eliminate the nitrogen waste produced by breaking down proteins in our urine, unlike birds who conserve water (and don't have to carry as much around) by eliminating nitrogen as a solid.
Aside from that problem, proteins are made of of amino acids, all of which have nitrogen in them. The only organisms on earth that can turn nitrogen in the air (N2) into biologically useful nitrogen (NH3) are certain bacteria. This is why the ability to synthesize ammonia commercially was such a big deal for agriculture (plants need nitrogen like we do, and like us can't get it from the air unless they have symbiotic bacteria to fix it for them). We get our nitrogen from the plants and/or animals, not from the air.
Finally we need carbohydrates and fats for everything from energy sources to cell walls to cell receptors (the antigens that cause you to have a blood type are actually modified sugars attached to proteins). We get our carbohydrates and fats from eating stuff. Plants get theirs from CO2 in the air (Calvin Cycle). We can't use CO2 since there is a whole series of enzymes and associated regulation to control it that we don't have. More on fats, we generally can make fat from sugar. Unfortunately we can't put double-bonds in our own fatty acids beyond the 9th carbon. That's why we need omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids in our diet (omega 3 means 3rd carbon from the end, it refers to the location of the double bond in the fatty acid).
Many enzymes require what are known as cofactors to do their jobs. Many cofactors are either minerals like magnesium and iron, or organic compounds that we generally cannot synthesize ourselves like folic acid. They're produced by other organisms, which we must eat to get. This is why vitamins (the organic compounds) and minerals are necessary.
You also need sodium/potassium/calcium/chloride/etc ions to keep your cells functioning (alive). For example cells have transporters that pump sodium ions out of the cell in exchange for brining potassium ions in. (which because it wants to equalize, is basically potential energy that can be used to do things like send nerve impulses). A good portion of your ATP is actually consumed by your nervous system just to maintain this gradient.
So even if we could get as much out of the air as any other organism does, we would still be a long, long ways away from not needing to eat or drink anything.
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On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote:
Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
are there any other living being on the planet that can think as logically as we do?, why should we be any different!! NO WAY
sorry for being an ass but your logic here is retarded
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On May 05 2010 01:44 LunarDestiny wrote:
Does the guy pee or shit? If he does not eat or drink then nothing in means nothing out right?
Have you even read the article ? And even if you don't urinate, there is still evaporation from your skin, and since the body is warmer than the ambient temperature, it means your cells are consuming sugars/fat. Just the fact that he lost some weight during the experiment proves it cant that long.
edit : wow great post biochemist!
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Thanks, biochemist, that's a really good post. The idea of someone living for decades without food and water just seems absurdly preposterous.
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On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote:god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept. This simply isn't biologically possible. Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote:
Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this. or more about human biology and science if you do? winnerrrrrr Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote:
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4) Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity. Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
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On May 05 2010 01:53 nArAnjO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote:god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept. This simply isn't biologically possible. On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote:
Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this. or more about human biology and science if you do? winnerrrrrr On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote:
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4) Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity. Thank you! take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Huh?
Your post has confused me....
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Can we change the topic title to "Man lived off lies for 70 years"?
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Well obviously noone thinks he can actually survive for a significant amount of time, but even if he can do a few weeks thats basically humanly impossible. And monks can do weird shit if they slow their heart rates down.
meh.
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On May 05 2010 01:58 Piy wrote:
Well obviously noone thinks he can actually survive for a significant amount of time, but even if he can do a few weeks thats basically humanly impossible. And monks can do weird shit if they slow their heart rates down.
meh.
I'm going to agree that this is the reason scientists are interested. If the average human can only live for a week at most without water but this guy can last twice that long, there clearly must be a reason. They probably want to find out if it's just his low metabolic rate from sitting still all day or if there's something rare about his biochemistry that gives him an edge.
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biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
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