(April 29) -- Prahlad Jani says there's no diet like no diet at all.
The 83-year-old says he hasn't consumed food or water for seven decades, and doctors in India are trying to learn his secrets, or prove once and for all that his 70-year fast has been nothing more than a lengthy hoax.
Jani -- who says he gets all of his sustenance from meditation -- has agreed to spend three weeks in a hospital in Ahmedabad where he'll be observed by a team of 30 doctors, monitored 24 hours a day by cameras, and subjected to tests studying his brain and heart activity.
Sterling Hospitals, AFP / Getty Images Prahlad Jani says he has survived without food and water for more than seven decades. India's Defense Institute of Physiology & Allied Science is researching the 83-year-old's claims.
"The observation from this study may throw light on human survival without food and water," researcher G. Ilavazahagan told SkyNews. "This may help in working out strategies for survival during natural calamities, extreme stressful conditions and extraterrestrial explorations, like future missions to the moon and Mars by the human race."
Jani's condition is so extraordinary, some military experts wonder if studying him might help them develop supersoldiers.
Since the experiment began on April 22, Jani reportedly hasn't had anything to eat or drink. He also hasn't been to the bathroom.
That apparently is par for the course for the yogi, who says he was blessed by a goddess when he was 8 years old and hasn't needed to consume food or water ever since.
In 2003, Jani -- who reportedly spends much of his time in a cave near a temple for the goddess Ambaji in India's Gujarat state -- underwent a 10-day medical observation, during which he didn't eat, drink, urinate or defecate, according to the BBC.
Although people can survive for several weeks without eating, most can only survive several days without water.
tldr; Man doesn't eat or drink anything for 70 years yet is still alive and is now being monitored by a hospital for 3 weeks
lol. I first read this as mediCation instead of mediTation.
I'm curious what the doctors will find. I don't believe he can survive for 70 years without food or water but if you are fully aware you are lying about this you won't let yourself be taken to a hospital for observation now would you?
I read that news a week ago. He didn't piss or shit for a entire week. Eat or drink = points. But they found that he lost a small amount of weight, so it might be a scam or something.
On May 04 2010 19:03 GoodCat1 wrote: can he cast storms?
I lol'd
On May 04 2010 19:19 Zurles wrote: it's obviously a scam man.
This, unless the air overthere is so filled with bugs he can survive on the bugs he breadth in and the moist in the air, but I'm pretty sure on the "this"-part
On May 04 2010 19:03 GoodCat1 wrote: can he cast storms?
Hahahaha
There has to be more to this however. Lets say its a cold night. He needs to stay warm. The heat produced by the body is energy that he will radiate into the atmosphere. Where does the energy come from if he consumes no food?
Well, he does look like he has an eating disorder. I can imagine that he can survive without food for a week or two and without water for a few ways. No way his story is true though.
70 years without eat or drink is for sure a bullshit. Try to think to the water you loose everyday from your skin, your mouth and your eyes. Kidneys work is not only to eliminate the water but also to throw out of the body the toxic metabolities. Not going to the bathroom for three weeks will probably led to death -_-
There are a lot of people doing amazing things Wim Hof the Iceman, just because most of us can't do it doesn't mean it's not possible, there's also this guy with a disorder who hasn't slept a day in his whole life, I can't seem to find him yet...
Also I'm not personally convinced about the "70 years" period but if he already did 10 days without his kidneys failing or him going crazy thats amazing in my book. Just try not drinking anything for 2 days and see how you feel.
"Jani's condition is so extraordinary, some military experts wonder if studying him might help them develop supersoldiers." WAR WAR WAR... why are people like this? :S
Eh... there have been countless people who have claimed this over the years. There was a case not so long ago about a girl who claimed to be able to sun-graze where she would get all her energy from the sun. After two weeks of observation trying to prove that she could do it, she collapsed and was rushed to the hospital.
On May 04 2010 19:50 meeple wrote: Eh... there have been countless people who have claimed this over the years. There was a case not so long ago about a girl who claimed to be able to sun-graze where she would get all her energy from the sun. After two weeks of observation trying to prove that she could do it, she collapsed and was rushed to the hospital.
It's called sun-gazing. And the whole thing about living without eating is breatharianism-- the idea that we can get nutrients from the sun/air alone, or as they like to call it... 'light'. This has been debunked quite a long time ago. I have a 'friend' on facebook who keeps talking about it and is completely obsessed about it, it's his life goal. =/
As little as we know about the human body, it doesn't matter. This can be reduced to a physics argument of mass and energy conservation. The equation, needless to say, doesn't balance.
This is just plaint out a hoax. It's impossible through a biochemical point of view to support bodily functions without water and/or food for that long time.
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Sufferers may survive up to three years, but they always do die. Michael Corke lasted less than one year: he died after being hospitalized and going without sleep for six months.
On May 04 2010 21:36 Glowy wrote: This is just plaint out a hoax. It's impossible through a biochemical point of view to support bodily functions without water and/or food for that long time.
that's only because you have no faith in the super soldiers industry
Sufferers may survive up to three years, but they always do die. Michael Corke lasted less than one year: he died after being hospitalized and going without sleep for six months.
Yeah, being awake essentially causes brain damage, don't sleep for long enough and you're basically getting alzheimered .
I've heard about this Indian guy before, very difficult to believe but if true it's pretty damn insane.
Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
I for one am interested to see how this works out. One would assume this is total bullshit but when you look at what abilities people have achieved through extensive meditation and training, its not that unbelievable for me that he might be able to control his bodily functions to a degree where he can get all the nutrition he needs from sunlight and the humidity. Still, i dont think hes gone 70 years without eating and drinking.
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
edited: cbf stirring. As for what I believe, I don't know. Without water seems improbable, though without food I can somewhat believe. I'd be interested to see the outcome of this if it is truly scientific and not tabloid nonsense.
On May 04 2010 18:59 Divinek wrote: Prahlad Jani says he has survived without food and water for more than seven decades. India's Defense Institute of Physiology & Allied Science is researching the 83-year-old's claims.
And I thought America did stupid shit with tax money.
On May 04 2010 22:19 ChinaRestaurant wrote: I for one am interested to see how this works out. One would assume this is total bullshit but when you look at what abilities people have achieved through extensive meditation and training, its not that unbelievable for me that he might be able to control his bodily functions to a degree where he can get all the nutrition he needs from sunlight and the humidity. Still, i dont think hes gone 70 years without eating and drinking.
How can you actually believe the words that you are saying? All of the things people have been proven to be able to do through meditation are at least reasonable. It's mostly just being able to control heart rate/blood pressure/state of mind/etc. None of it has ever done anything like allow us to obtain nutrients in ways that we cannot do. How exactly is meditation going to cause us to get nutrition from sunlight? Our body has absolutely no mechanism for turning sunlight into every essential nutrient. This is just blatantly retarded, and basic physics shows us that it's not possible to survive without taking in a certain number of calories.
Do I think that through meditation we can control metabolism and slow down many bodily functions and thus decrease our need for food? Yes, that's possible, but that's completely different than what this man claims to be doing.
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
The kangaroo rat in Australia does I believe. It goes without drinking a drop of water it's entire life. The trick is that it gets all the water it needs from the leaves it eats.
Also, there was a guy in my home state in India who fasted for 42 something days without food or water but he eventually died. He's one of the local heroes as he was the primary reason we got statehood.
On May 04 2010 22:19 ChinaRestaurant wrote: I for one am interested to see how this works out. One would assume this is total bullshit but when you look at what abilities people have achieved through extensive meditation and training, its not that unbelievable for me that he might be able to control his bodily functions to a degree where he can get all the nutrition he needs from sunlight and the humidity. Still, i dont think hes gone 70 years without eating and drinking.
How can you actually believe the words that you are saying? All of the things people have been proven to be able to do through meditation are at least reasonable. It's mostly just being able to control heart rate/blood pressure/state of mind/etc. None of it has ever done anything like allow us to obtain nutrients in ways that we cannot do. How exactly is meditation going to cause us to get nutrition from sunlight? Our body has absolutely no mechanism for turning sunlight into every essential nutrient. This is just blatantly retarded, and basic physics shows us that it's not possible to survive without taking in a certain number of calories.
Do I think that through meditation we can control metabolism and slow down many bodily functions and thus decrease our need for food? Yes, that's possible, but that's completely different than what this man claims to be doing.
Sunlight is essential for any living being, without it certain nutritients cant be created by a chemical process. Also i didnt say i believe in the story of the man, i just said that it isnt in the reaches of unbelievable things like for instance use the force if you meditate long enough. That being said as i have stated before i dont think he actually did this for 70 years so wheres your reason to get all excited about my post? I will only believe this once i see solid proof for it. So you can chill again ;P
edit: sorry i misread that part about sunlight getting him everything necessary.
this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
The sad thing is that people even need to discuss if this could be possible. What I find more interesting about this guy and cases of "psychics" is what is going on in their head. They are blatantly lying their asses off, and taking active measures to support their lie. I still wonder though if they believe their own bullshit even while they're doing cold reading or eating and drinking (like the guy could have subsisted on a minimal diet, and then convinced himself that he didn't eat for 70 years somehow).
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
This tbh,
Most likely it's some sort of scam, but you don't have to look down on people who believe otherwise >_>
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
This tbh,
Most likely it's some sort of scam, but you don't have to look down on people who believe otherwise >_>
It was so hard to resist the urge to troll this thread. As far as I'm concerned this doesn't even warrant debate. The truth of this matter is obvious to all but the most stupid.
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
The critical thinking thread sucks but somehow I got the feeling you have to go through that stuff, young padawan
Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
This tbh,
Most likely it's some sort of scam, but you don't have to look down on people who believe otherwise >_>
correctomundo
Yeah it's more just fun to think 'what if', even though it's a big big fucking if
Like what if it was possible, imagine the impact it could have. I mean that's how great things happen
I don't believe it's reasonably possible but god damn what if
Probably a hoax, but I see nothing wrong with scientifically observing him under proper conditions given that he is both willing to be examined and that the Indian government has a legit interest in his supposed powers for future space missions. Oftentimes these types will refuse to have their claims scientifically tested and then you're just like yeah, whatever. I also kinda wish news agencies didn't report on such matters until after the claims have been proven / disproven lol... guess they need their readers tho.
On May 04 2010 21:36 Glowy wrote: This is just plaint out a hoax. It's impossible through a biochemical point of view to support bodily functions without water and/or food for that long time.
that's only because you have no faith in the super soldiers industry
No, it's because I'm actually a biochemist myself.
Lmfao at all the people walking in doing the typical "omfg this is so not true i know bec0z i study the sciences lawl so fake" posts..
As someone mentioned before, we as humans are constantly driven to do the impossible, and I don't care wtf your theory says, we don't know how the universe works.
It seems like this is obviously outside of the realm of things that science we have now can readily explain. The human mind/body can do amazing things, and maybe he really has developed some method to not need to eat/drink for extremely long periods of time (probably not 5000 to 10,000 years as he said, but more like a few months)
On May 04 2010 23:36 Ian Ian Ian wrote: Lmfao at all the people walking in doing the typical "omfg this is so not true i know bec0z i study the sciences lawl so fake" posts..
As someone mentioned before, we as humans are constantly driven to do the impossible, and I don't care wtf your theory says, we don't know how the universe works.
Science never claims to be 100% sure about anything. There is no scientific truth, just theory. That said, we do have a great deal of understanding about how the universe works. It's not truth, and some of our body of knowledge will in all likelihood be cast off over time, but that's no reason to abandon its usefulness. It is irritating when folks abandon the logical reasoning and explanations science provides because it doesn't prove anything.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
Seriously that pseudo scientific jargon and randomly throwing formulas makes me sick. Physics is not magic, event the physics you cannot understand. I hope this is just trolling.
This kind of thing is so off the chart, the only way I would believe it, is if i see it with my own eyes. I'm afraid this is also a good propaganda in order to keep people believer, I mean this is good trick, "ho look at da shit he can make just with his mind and de powa af gaaadd"
Since scientists and the military are interested in this, I'm pretty sure it's wisest to hold your judgement until further notice. Unless you assume all of them are dumber than the average TL-nerd.
The human mind is much more powerful than most people expect. Also, this is further proof that Biology and Chemistry for the most part are not real sciences, there economic scams and any exceptions can be explained through physics.
On May 04 2010 23:55 Monsen wrote: Since scientists and the military are interested in this, I'm pretty sure it's wisest to hold your judgement until further notice. Unless you assume all of them are dumber than the average TL-nerd.
The Chinese military was interested in some Chinese that claimed to be an esper way back too, haven't heard anything about that for years since they initially took interest. If we consider the potential returns of hitting on someone genuine, the paltry sums spent on sending personnel over to look someone who already has an established reputation isn't all that bad.
He has his heart beating. Beating heart consumes energy. The only source of energy for a human being is food. There's no way you can make your TV run for 70 years without batteries.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
We dont know shit? We know lots. Sure we dont know everything, but the human body isnt a mystery to us. The lock and key enzymes thing is not some mythological prescence we dont understand, we custom-make enzymes to perform functions for us every day. It's something that required years of research to understand, but its there. And in all that research, there is nothing about enzymes having a mystical energy.
Your "energy medicine" is actually not medicine at all. It is not even based in science. It is considered an alternative therapy, with as much medicinal use as praying for god to help. There has been no scientific proof that energy medicine is anything more than just placebo effects and explainable phenomenon.
And turning energy from the sun into matter in our own bodies? Too bad that would lead to the creation of anti-matter as well, resulting in you dieing a very horrible death. And the amount of energy it would require to make enough matter for a human body?
Science cant explain everything, but what your proposing is that this guy is breaking the laws of physics. It is sooo much more likely that this is a hoax, or there is information we are not being given, that the fact that anyone would entertain such a thought is ludicrous
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
This tbh,
Most likely it's some sort of scam, but you don't have to look down on people who believe otherwise >_>
yeah you do
anyone who is stupid enough to believe this shit is an idiot, and should be known as such
On May 04 2010 19:41 XsebT wrote: "Jani's condition is so extraordinary, some military experts wonder if studying him might help them develop supersoldiers." WAR WAR WAR... why are people like this? :S
On May 05 2010 00:00 neVern wrote: The human mind is much more powerful than most people expect. Also, this is further proof that Biology and Chemistry for the most part are not real sciences, there economic scams and any exceptions can be explained through physics.
Oh wow you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
While Chemistry and Biology most certainly are off shoots of Physics no amount of human mental power is going to explain how the body survived for 70 years without any sort of food or water. Our bodies aren't able to spontaneously create energy... the physics you seem to love so much proves this by itself.
You can live for quit a long time without food or water if you are able to slow your heart down. Unless this guy has figured out the secret to hibernation (and even that wouldn't be enough) he is lying.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
Some desert insects...and a few other animals...they get it from food though....
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
Some desert insects...and a few other animals...they get it from food though....
Nothing can exist without water at all, he'd have to have magical skin that absorbed the moisture in the air or something, it's a complete scam.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
Yes, this post was bullshit, especially the energy to mass conversion part. btw, lol at your nickname, I guess you know what you are talking about !
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
the biochemist has spoken!
and unless the man somehow harvests the water vapor in the air with his magical lungs, and does some crazy shit like break down covalent bonds in the air he breathes and uses this energy to supplement food, this is crazy bullshit.
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
Some desert insects...and a few other animals...they get it from food though....
Nothing can exist without water at all, he'd have to have magical skin that absorbed the moisture in the air or something, it's a complete scam.
I don`t believe it, just because it`s impossible to do that. Same applies for the ones, who only "consume" sun energy and water.
On May 04 2010 23:46 endy wrote: I can't believe scientists can even accept to monitor this guy for 3 weeks. Seriously, you don't need to be a doctor to know this is plain bullshit
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
the biochemist has spoken!
and unless the man somehow harvests the water vapor in the air with his magical lungs, and does some crazy shit like break down covalent bonds in the air he breathes and uses this energy to supplement food, this is crazy bullshit.
and i love the sig, ~OpZ~.
Thank you sir, quote is from one of my old b.net friend...haha
Shit was too funny that night, cuz we were just bsing watching some pimpest play replay, and BAM outta no where he said it. Life was nice that night, lol.
so he's been fasting since he's been 13. i'm sorry but what a crummy life. i mean even trying to fake it would suck.
Yeah, seriously. Life without food would just not be the same. Not to mention of you had to feel hungry all the time and stuff.
While I can't in any way image the 70 years thing to be remotely true, I'm surprised no one is discussing that this guy had been going for over a week already with no water. That in and if otself is pretty incredible seeing as how a few days without water is enough to serious fuck up most people.
I saw this on CNN, it's pretty amazing especially since actual scientists and doctors conducting the study in India are asking the same questions too. If they can prove that he can survive for more than 1 month without food or water, the possibilities would be astounding.
I won't claim that this is entirely impossible. However I am pretty sure that if this is actually true, then this guy has basically not moved any limbs at all, and especially his brain must have been on a VERY low level of activity. If he was able to even slow down the reproduction of cells he should indeed live way longer than the average human. However his body is that of an old man, so this can't really be the case. Which is my main reason why I think that this is a hoax: For the body of a 13 year old to grow into the body of a 83 year old, lots of energy is needed. Maybe he survived 7 years without food and water, but 70 sounds VERY unlikey.
So all hopes to use this for military purposes are in vain. This guy certainly didn't produce energy out of nothing. War requires a lot of energy.
India isn't exactly known for their outstanding medical studies, I would be a lot less sceptical if he was being studied at a well-known university hospital...
There could be something to this. Some monks can be buried alive for days and survive by slowing their hearts down, so I guess he could survive a good while without water. I mean Tibetan Monks can do a bunch of things people would conventionally think were impossible (based on SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Meditation allows you to do some amazing things, like walk on hot coals without feeling pain. I had a Hindu Mysticism professor who told us about doing that. One thing it can't do, however, is sustain your life. Hell, I have a tarantula, and tarantulas can last about 2 years without food, because they never move and their inner workings are so simple. But they need water often, as do all living things, no matter how much you "focus." Hell, focusing that much on meditation would probably make you more thirsty and hungry.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
Yes, this post was bullshit, especially the energy to mass conversion part. btw, lol at your nickname, I guess you know what you are talking about !
Er Energy and Mass can actually convert to one another... it is slightly more complicated than Sioux stated though lol.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
Yes, this post was bullshit, especially the energy to mass conversion part. btw, lol at your nickname, I guess you know what you are talking about !
Er Energy and Mass can actually convert to one another... it is slightly more complicated than Sioux stated though lol.
I don't care what he says, the body is not capable of the photoelectric effect. That is just completely absurd.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
I highlighted all the bullshit in your post for you. The rest of it seemed pretty solid.
Yes, this post was bullshit, especially the energy to mass conversion part. btw, lol at your nickname, I guess you know what you are talking about !
Er Energy and Mass can actually convert to one another... it is slightly more complicated than Sioux stated though lol.
I know lol. It's just that according to him, because " E=mc^2 " you can convert sunlight into food :|
On May 05 2010 00:38 Piy wrote: There could be something to this. Some monks can be buried alive for days and survive by slowing their hearts down, so I guess he could survive a good while without water. I mean Tibetan Monks can do a bunch of things people would conventionally think were impossible (based on SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Interest = piqued.
but this guy's been doing it since he was 13. that means he had to have honed those skills by the time he was 13. also, as mentioned above, if you look at his body you can tell that he's (obviously) aged since he was 13. which would require energy. which would require food/water.
i'm just curious as to how he managed to bullshit the scientists into believing him. and his reaction when its proven to be a fraud.
we should really make a collection of the most outrageous posts in this thrad.
On May 05 2010 00:00 neVern wrote: The human mind is much more powerful than most people expect. Also, this is further proof that Biology and Chemistry for the most part are not real sciences, there economic scams and any exceptions can be explained through physics.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
On May 05 2010 01:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I won't say this is not possible. There could be a genetic mutation happened to his body that acquire some characteristics of something that live can without eating or drinking. Maybe he was created by underground scientists who altered his DNA. Who knows...
On May 04 2010 23:51 FortuneSyn wrote: He's eating his own boogers. Boogers in India are very humid.
the last one is outrageous for an entirely different reason. its because its probably the most viable explanation we have in this thread so far.
On May 05 2010 00:00 neVern wrote: The human mind is much more powerful than most people expect. Also, this is further proof that Biology and Chemistry for the most part are not real sciences, there economic scams and any exceptions can be explained through physics.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
Clearly he has some abilities if he able to survive with no food or drink since april 22. That really is quite a while.
I just don't get why he has to make up some bullshit 70 year story to go with it, why not just help the scientists by asking them to study what he does have, not try to debunk his wildly outrageous claim.
Oh wow. I just read through every post in this thread- does NO ONE remember when this story appeared a couple years ago? To quote Mugatu, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. This guy already underwent testing and it was basically revealed that his claims were a hoax. I'm not sure if he's trying to prove himself again or if the story was just inadvertently recycled by semi-legitimate news sites. This feels really surreal because that article looks almost exactly like the one I remember reading ages ago.
Edit: Never mind, I must have been thinking about the 10 day trial... iirc it was quite shady, ended early and there was talk that some doctors were in on it, which rang instant hoax bells for me.
I won't say this is not possible. There could be a genetic mutation happened to his body that acquire some characteristics of something that live can without eating or drinking. Maybe he was created by underground scientists who altered his DNA. Who knows...
On May 05 2010 01:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I won't say this is not possible. There could be a genetic mutation happened to his body that acquire some characteristics of something that live can without eating or drinking. Maybe he was created by underground scientists who altered his DNA. Who knows...
You would need a hell of a lot of mutations, including several thousand (at the very very very least) new genes. And then there's still the mineral problem.
On May 05 2010 01:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I won't say this is not possible. There could be a genetic mutation happened to his body that acquire some characteristics of something that live can without eating or drinking. Maybe he was created by underground scientists who altered his DNA. Who knows...
You would need a hell of a lot of mutations, including several thousand (at the very very very least) new genes. And then there's still the mineral problem.
On May 05 2010 01:07 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: I look forward to the widespread revision of all known science relating to human biology.
Well I wouldn't think that we would have to revise all human biology. Just gonna have to add a text book. Human Bio 101 X-Men Bio 101 I don't see a problem with that. Now I just hope when my kid comes out he becomes more like wolverine rather then anorexia man.
I wonder if this is remotely possible at all (given that there are several insects that can survive for years without water, etc., like that bug... I forgot its name) through genetic mutation.
of course its a hoax, there are people who've claimed this before and after spending a few weeks under observation they all turned out to need food. i don't know why scientists took him so seriously - the guy probably actually believes he doesn't need food, and he's 80 years old, why ruin it for him?
On May 04 2010 23:46 endy wrote: I can't believe scientists can even accept to monitor this guy for 3 weeks. Seriously, you don't need to be a doctor to know this is plain bullshit
the only way for science to say that he is saying bullshit is proving he his wrong.. do you know..it is the way science works (galileo galilei docet)
once you give up go and take a nap. i dont want to hurt your brain
I dont think a man can survive 70 years without water, not even a month ,but this thing can be one hell of a long time in a dry state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade
On May 05 2010 01:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I won't say this is not possible. There could be a genetic mutation happened to his body that acquire some characteristics of something that live can without eating or drinking. Maybe he was created by underground scientists who altered his DNA. Who knows...
Those underground scientists and their evil plots..
I really can't tell if you guys are being serious or not when you try to claim that since science doesn't know everything, there is a possibility for the impossible to happen.
On May 05 2010 01:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I won't say this is not possible. There could be a genetic mutation happened to his body that acquire some characteristics of something that live can without eating or drinking. Maybe he was created by underground scientists who altered his DNA. Who knows...
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
Slower your metabolism, including your heart, to unbelievable lows. Your body would still consume your fat though,because it needs foods. So technically it is not really 'not eating'. Animals counter this by increasing their fat percentage before they go into hibernation. They would die if they don't have enough fat.
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
just to humor you, who's to say that the indian man didn't just stay in suspended animation for 70 years.
but if he could, he could probably live in the vacuums of space. first astronaut that doesn't need a space suit. no problem.
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
just to humor you, who's to say that the indian man didn't just stay in suspended animation for 70 years.
but if he could, he could probably live in the vacuums of space. first astronaut that doesn't need a space suit. no problem.
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
just to humor you, who's to say that the indian man didn't just stay in suspended animation for 70 years.
but if he could, he could probably live in the vacuums of space. first astronaut that doesn't need a space suit. no problem.
I heard that there's a lot of radiation in space.
the waterbear can survive up to 1000x the radiation humans can tolerate. this indian man one-upped the waterbear. he can survive the radiation.
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
I never claimed that the kangaroo rat didn't consume anything, just that it wasn't water...
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
I never claimed that the kangaroo rat didn't consume anything, just that it wasn't water...
Yea but it still NEEDS water, it just gets it through the food it eats. I fail to see why you even brought the kangaroo rat up as it doesn't live without water at all.
On May 05 2010 01:17 Navi wrote: I wonder if this is remotely possible at all (given that there are several insects that can survive for years without water, etc., like that bug... I forgot its name) through genetic mutation.
I might as well try to make this somewhat educational since a few other people are posting nonsense.
Most low-water organisms either get water from their food (like koalas) or survive on water created by the metabolism of fuel, what's known as metabolic water (like desert rats). It comes from the reduction of oxygen to water (this is why you need oxygen), which helps power the replenishment of ATP (a chemical compound your cells use to get stuff done). Some small animals in extreme environments have become efficient enough at retaining water that this small supply is enough to sustain them.
Humans on the other hand lose so much water through our skin/lungs that we need to constantly replace it. We also eliminate the nitrogen waste produced by breaking down proteins in our urine, unlike birds who conserve water (and don't have to carry as much around) by eliminating nitrogen as a solid.
Aside from that problem, proteins are made of of amino acids, all of which have nitrogen in them. The only organisms on earth that can turn nitrogen in the air (N2) into biologically useful nitrogen (NH3) are certain bacteria. This is why the ability to synthesize ammonia commercially was such a big deal for agriculture (plants need nitrogen like we do, and like us can't get it from the air unless they have symbiotic bacteria to fix it for them). We get our nitrogen from the plants and/or animals, not from the air.
Finally we need carbohydrates and fats for everything from energy sources to cell walls to cell receptors (the antigens that cause you to have a blood type are actually modified sugars attached to proteins). We get our carbohydrates and fats from eating stuff. Plants get theirs from CO2 in the air (Calvin Cycle). We can't use CO2 since there is a whole series of enzymes and associated regulation to control it that we don't have. More on fats, we generally can make fat from sugar. Unfortunately we can't put double-bonds in our own fatty acids beyond the 9th carbon. That's why we need omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids in our diet (omega 3 means 3rd carbon from the end, it refers to the location of the double bond in the fatty acid).
Many enzymes require what are known as cofactors to do their jobs. Many cofactors are either minerals like magnesium and iron, or organic compounds that we generally cannot synthesize ourselves like folic acid. They're produced by other organisms, which we must eat to get. This is why vitamins (the organic compounds) and minerals are necessary.
You also need sodium/potassium/calcium/chloride/etc ions to keep your cells functioning (alive). For example cells have transporters that pump sodium ions out of the cell in exchange for brining potassium ions in. (which because it wants to equalize, is basically potential energy that can be used to do things like send nerve impulses). A good portion of your ATP is actually consumed by your nervous system just to maintain this gradient.
So even if we could get as much out of the air as any other organism does, we would still be a long, long ways away from not needing to eat or drink anything.
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
are there any other living being on the planet that can think as logically as we do?, why should we be any different!! NO WAY
sorry for being an ass but your logic here is retarded
On May 05 2010 01:44 LunarDestiny wrote: Does the guy pee or shit? If he does not eat or drink then nothing in means nothing out right?
Have you even read the article ? And even if you don't urinate, there is still evaporation from your skin, and since the body is warmer than the ambient temperature, it means your cells are consuming sugars/fat. Just the fact that he lost some weight during the experiment proves it cant that long.
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Well obviously noone thinks he can actually survive for a significant amount of time, but even if he can do a few weeks thats basically humanly impossible. And monks can do weird shit if they slow their heart rates down.
On May 05 2010 01:58 Piy wrote: Well obviously noone thinks he can actually survive for a significant amount of time, but even if he can do a few weeks thats basically humanly impossible. And monks can do weird shit if they slow their heart rates down.
meh.
I'm going to agree that this is the reason scientists are interested. If the average human can only live for a week at most without water but this guy can last twice that long, there clearly must be a reason. They probably want to find out if it's just his low metabolic rate from sitting still all day or if there's something rare about his biochemistry that gives him an edge.
biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Huh?
Your post has confused me....
I mean i've seen a lot of posts talking about how this is scientifically, biologically, etc impossible, but when you really think about things, science comes from an impossibility too
Surviving without water for a few days seems impossible, but for more than a few days (70 years), and in one of the hottest parts of the world? I guess tomorrow we will see someone who claims they can "survive without breathing" ? While this guy is in a hospital being monitored now, a few important things to be considered are:
1) The man "claims" -- Hell, I can claim a lot of things, too. I claim I can beat Flash in a bo5. 2) India is quite a religious country (especially the state of Gujarat where this is all being taken place). Therefore, since meditation in that part of India has significant religious aspects tied to it, and this "scheme" has reached a public level, India is going to defend this religious-claim. It's all for the publicity -- almost a political thing, but with religious aspects tied with it.
Meditation or not, it's just not possible. And yeah, great post biochemist.
This episode reminds me of the semi-recent incident in some African country where some mystic claimed that she could produce oil by striking a rock with her staff. She even prepared a demonstration for the leadership of that country and had them all duped for a time. Later, it turned out that there was actually an oil tank at the top of the hill behind her, and hitting the rock with her staff alerted her assistant, who then let some oil flow out.
The point is: if something sounds too amazing to be true, it usually is. Incredible claims require astronomical amounts of independently verifiable proof.
On May 05 2010 02:04 redtooth wrote: biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
It always annoys me when people want to throw away an entire field of science because they feel like they have a new explanation for everything. I'm actually aware of the limitations of chemistry, biology, and physics, and the problem with these nutjobs is that they don't.
I mean if you're going to just throw away the lock-and-key model for enzymes and make some absurd claim about adrenaline giving off some type of mysterious energy signal, how do you explain the extremely detailed signaling pathways we've mapped out for it?
I mean, did someone just make all that shit up by throwing darts at a chalkboard?
I'm all for human achievements and progression, hell I even like reading about remarkable TRUE stories. But really, playing the "science isn't everything card" hardly counts as a good argument. Really, you don't even need to debate the idea, just repeat this in your own head. "A MAN LIVED WITHOUT FOOD AND WATER FOR 70 YEARS"
The biggest problem with this is actually that he isn't getting rid of any of the toxic waste the cells produce... Just to give an example: A red blood cell can at the most survive 120 days before it dies and a new one has to be made. When a red blood cell dies the body recycles the iron from the hemoglobin, but the rest of the molecule is basicly waste which the body execretes through bile (which is execreted with the feces) and through the urine.
Tardigrades can survive in the vacuum of space. When they are no longer in their sleeping state they still require water. They have a state of suspended animation. They don't necessarily survive without water they just halt the process.
Kangaroo rats still need water, they just acquire it through other means. In short it still requires consumption of SOMETHING.
You don't really need an MD to know all this though do ya?
I never claimed that the kangaroo rat didn't consume anything, just that it wasn't water...
Yea but it still NEEDS water, it just gets it through the food it eats. I fail to see why you even brought the kangaroo rat up as it doesn't live without water at all.
It lives without exogen water, just like the indian guy claims to do... I don't think I can make it any clearer than this...
On May 05 2010 02:13 Ghostcom wrote: The biggest problem with this is actually that he isn't getting rid of any of the toxic waste the cells produce... Just to give an example: A red blood cell can at the most survive 120 days before it dies and a new one has to be made. When a red blood cell dies the body recycles the iron from the hemoglobin, but the rest of the molecule is basicly waste which the body execretes through bile (which is execreted with the feces) and through the urine.
I wonder if they'll keep monitoring him until his kidneys fail.
On May 05 2010 02:04 redtooth wrote: biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
you're one to talk
But you've got a point. People like me don't know anything, what with our pesky "education" and crap
On May 05 2010 02:04 redtooth wrote: biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
On May 05 2010 02:04 redtooth wrote: biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
As a Biology PhD student I find your assessment of Chemistry and Biology as economics hoaxes to be highly offensive. Take your ignorance elsewhere.
Lol, im pretty sure this is satircal, given the quoted post. Someone earlier actually did post something along the lines that chemistry and biology are just economic hoaxes and everything can be explained by physics.
On May 05 2010 02:13 Ghostcom wrote: The biggest problem with this is actually that he isn't getting rid of any of the toxic waste the cells produce... Just to give an example: A red blood cell can at the most survive 120 days before it dies and a new one has to be made. When a red blood cell dies the body recycles the iron from the hemoglobin, but the rest of the molecule is basicly waste which the body execretes through bile (which is execreted with the feces) and through the urine.
I wonder if they'll keep monitoring him until his kidneys fail.
One could hope... So that people would stop making claims like these
On May 05 2010 02:04 redtooth wrote: biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
On May 05 2010 02:04 redtooth wrote: biochemist you're being silly. what if he had really mutated genes. we don't need food if we can just get energy (since food is energy after all). and you saying its impossible is just like saying flying or space exploration was impossible. and i'm sure you're basing your knowledge off of chemistry and biology, which are known to be economic hoaxes.
As a Biology PhD student I find your assessment of Chemistry and Biology as economics hoaxes to be highly offensive. Take your ignorance elsewhere.
He was paraphrasing a quote earlier in the thread. Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.
Oh. In that case, I apologize. I have a real problem with idiots who prefer astrology or paranormal bullshit to science. Which is the case in this story. More skepticism and demanding of facts, less implicit acceptance of bullshit.
Maybe his cave is located next to a lake that produces alot of mist every morning, and he would sit with his mouth open for a couple of hours every morning?
On May 05 2010 02:39 rockslave wrote: Oh yeah, this guy ate nothing for 70 years. And Pure is gonna 3-0 Flash. =P
Quoting for posterity's sake in case Pure does 3-0 Flash. It's funny though, all these people who supposedly survive for a long time with food don't let anyone get near them, just watch (understandable from a meditative pov), but also randomly dissapear for periods of time. To do what I wonder.
can he or cant he.. doesnt matter.. how can you ppl call it hoax.. go do a hoax.. a hoax that whole country would believe, make them put you into top private clinic, and then after week, have your doctors say, that results are extraordinary , in press conference.. go on..
you guys are trying to be smart.. with your hoax/idiots spamm, but yours stupidity is limitless..
even if he cant.. even if he can make it 2 weeks.. thats more than 99.9% of ppl in this world..
Even buddha said u need some sustenance to stay alive, and I am pretty sure he knew all about what could be done with meditation. Processes can be slowed but they can't be stopped. And even if one could get energy from the mind, you still need water, protein, vitamins, etc for chemical processes.
I have been doing and studying yoga for several years now, and phenomena like this are apparently not too uncommon. While 70 years seem a bit extreme, I would adivse you to google "Kundalini" and to research the bio of people like Gopi Krishna or Glenn J. Morris.
On May 05 2010 02:53 travis wrote: Even buddha said u need some sustenance to stay alive, and I am pretty sure he knew all about what could be done with meditation. Processes can be slowed but they can't be stopped. And even if one could get energy from the mind, you still need water, protein, vitamins, etc for chemical processes.
Who knows though, 70 years may be possible.
Also I love the 1st reply in this thread lol
70 years isn't possible.
This is beyond retarded, unless you considering meditation to be eating delicious snacks there is no way you could live for 70 years. You would fucking die within 3 weeks without eating anything assuming the water you drink isn't filled with vitamins and sugar, in which case youd probably life longer, but either way this shit is beyond retarded. I'm sure you can slow your metabolism down by meditating (your sitting there doing nothing), but this is a load of shit.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
Please don't start citing that fucking critical thinking thread. No one is gonna learn critical thinking from those videos. They unnecessarily invoke controversial subject matter that defeats their ostensible goal. It's reasonably hard for even critical thinkers to be non-critical about those critical thinking videos
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
I don't see why there's much debate over this... It's not possible. End of story.
This is India's publicity stunt to portray this man's claim in a religious sense. Which makes sense, since India is undoubtedly a very religious country, especially the state of Gujarat (which all of this takes place in). He made a claim about meditation, and now, since it became public, India (the hospital), needs to help represent him. I think this is all a publicity stunt; a fallacy in the making (or actually, it's already been made).
On May 05 2010 02:52 Smikis wrote: can he or cant he.. doesnt matter.. how can you ppl call it hoax.. go do a hoax.. a hoax that whole country would believe, make them put you into top private clinic, and then after week, have your doctors say, that results are extraordinary , in press conference.. go on..
you guys are trying to be smart.. with your hoax/idiots spamm, but yours stupidity is limitless..
even if he cant.. even if he can make it 2 weeks.. thats more than 99.9% of ppl in this world..
so your impressed by his hoaxing nonsense? your impressed by his need for attention across his country?
am I getting trolled here or what..
and I would NEVER EVER want my doctor to tell me, OMG THATS EXTRAORDINARY!!
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
that video is fucking stupid. i agree with everything but we all learned all of that by age ten.
maybe i should post a video explaining how math works next?
It's surprising how many people (not on this forum in particular, but just in general) don't exercise what they learned -- both maths and "critical thinking".
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
On May 05 2010 02:52 Smikis wrote: can he or cant he.. doesnt matter.. how can you ppl call it hoax.. go do a hoax.. a hoax that whole country would believe, make them put you into top private clinic, and then after week, have your doctors say, that results are extraordinary , in press conference.. go on..
you guys are trying to be smart.. with your hoax/idiots spamm, but yours stupidity is limitless..
even if he cant.. even if he can make it 2 weeks.. thats more than 99.9% of ppl in this world..
so your impressed by his hoaxing nonsense? your impressed by his need for attention across his country?
am I getting trolled here or what..
and I would NEVER EVER want my doctor to tell me, OMG THATS EXTRAORDINARY!!
He's saying that there's a reason the doctors are studying him, and that they're probably more educated and intelligent than a lot of the people here saying that they're stupid.
Maybe now people will actually give two cents what I have to say.
Lol, yeah maybe if they guy actually did live for 70 years without food. (but he didn't) Does the method to healing yourself include getting high and wearing tye-dye shirts? I'm sure that dude believes that it works.
On May 05 2010 02:53 travis wrote: Even buddha said u need some sustenance to stay alive, and I am pretty sure he knew all about what could be done with meditation. Processes can be slowed but they can't be stopped. And even if one could get energy from the mind, you still need water, protein, vitamins, etc for chemical processes.
Who knows though, 70 years may be possible.
Also I love the 1st reply in this thread lol
70 years isn't possible.
This is beyond retarded, unless you considering meditation to be eating delicious snacks there is no way you could live for 70 years. You would fucking die within 3 weeks without eating anything assuming the water you drink isn't filled with vitamins and sugar, in which case youd probably life longer, but either way this shit is beyond retarded. I'm sure you can slow your metabolism down by meditating (your sitting there doing nothing), but this is a load of shit.
I am very confident it is a load of shit but that doesn't make me deny possibility. I guess i just have a good imagination.
On May 05 2010 02:52 Smikis wrote: can he or cant he.. doesnt matter.. how can you ppl call it hoax.. go do a hoax.. a hoax that whole country would believe, make them put you into top private clinic, and then after week, have your doctors say, that results are extraordinary , in press conference.. go on..
you guys are trying to be smart.. with your hoax/idiots spamm, but yours stupidity is limitless..
even if he cant.. even if he can make it 2 weeks.. thats more than 99.9% of ppl in this world..
so your impressed by his hoaxing nonsense? your impressed by his need for attention across his country?
am I getting trolled here or what..
and I would NEVER EVER want my doctor to tell me, OMG THATS EXTRAORDINARY!!
He's saying that there's a reason the doctors are studying him, and that they're probably more educated and intelligent than a lot of the people here saying that they're stupid.
Oh I see, well Smikis, everyone is stupid everywhere, when you get older you may realize it too.
On May 04 2010 22:13 d.Apollo wrote: People talking about not sleeping:
Sufferers may survive up to three years, but they always do die. Michael Corke lasted less than one year: he died after being hospitalized and going without sleep for six months.
Yeah, being awake essentially causes brain damage, don't sleep for long enough and you're basically getting alzheimered .
I've heard about this Indian guy before, very difficult to believe but if true it's pretty damn insane.
This might have been brought up before (in the 13 pages I didn't read... sorry!) but something like this might be possible. Why would one assume that you have to always stay fully awake? Some animals like dolphins or ducks have been shown to be able to keep only parts of their brains awake so the other part could rest. This is also the main theory as to why flamingos stand on one leg.
edit: I guess I should point this out before anyone misinterprets. I'm not saying this story is true^^ I'm just saying that we've seen such behavior in the animal world, so one could conceivably look into the topic for humans.
On May 05 2010 03:54 agarfin wrote: This reminds me a lot of this story. If im not mistaken it turned out he was just eating food at night when no one was watching.
They monitored him in a hospital and kept an eye on him the whole time. Don't see how those 3 weeks could have been fake, but 70 years is a little hard to believe... Would be cool though.
Maybe now people will actually give two cents what I have to say.
Lol, yeah maybe if they guy actually did live for 70 years without food. (but he didn't) Does the method to healing yourself include getting high and wearing tye-dye shirts? I'm sure that dude believes that it works.
Lol, another person who doesn't take people seriously and only judges them by what they look like.
On May 05 2010 03:16 zFly wrote: Why are there so many trolls in this topic?
There aren't very many trolls here, just varying degrees of science education.
I just read all the topic. Even if some people here like you know how the human body works and everything, dont you agree that there is a slightly little possibility of it being possible to not eat or drink for a months ?
If you got that high of education, you should have had the philosophy courses. There is always a possibility in everything, even how stupid or remotely possible it looks.
You can have your own opinion on the subject but i dont think that saying to everyone its imposible is the logical way to do things.
I really like how detailed your post are and i tend to use logic too in everything, a lot of people tell me not to but i do it anyway so im just as you. Im not against what you say but the way you say it.
PS: I hope my post is alright... english isnt my first language.
He may have some physical condition that has not been discovered before. Obivously it has nothing to do with any god-given power. Though I can't see how a person can live without nutrition, what did you think people thought when the first authists with (for normal humans) impossible abilities were discovered. Let's just see how long he can keep this up, three weeks without water is already a nearly impossible feat.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
On May 05 2010 03:16 zFly wrote: Why are there so many trolls in this topic?
Because any ration person would first go to the guy is lieing thus this is pretty much all a joke, i mean you hear stories of studies being done in china where people claim that things don't notice things like pain induced though submergence of body parts in ice water though meditation and these are really fishy studies that when replicated produce other results lol.
On May 05 2010 04:54 semantics wrote: Simple way to prove it, put him in a controlled environment for 2 weeks without food and water and see how long it takes for him to pass out.
They have, or well, if you can call an Indian hospital a controlled enviroment T_T (no offence, but the risk of someone aiding him is bigger than if one had conducted the study on him in another country)
On May 05 2010 04:54 semantics wrote: Simple way to prove it, put him in a controlled environment for 2 weeks without food and water and see how long it takes for him to pass out.
Have you even red anything? He's stayed already for 2 weeks without food and water.
On May 05 2010 04:54 semantics wrote: Simple way to prove it, put him in a controlled environment for 2 weeks without food and water and see how long it takes for him to pass out.
Would be better with 5-6 weeks. Some people in Haiti actually survived for about 40 days (I may be wrong, but it was more than 2 weeks for sure) without food and water.
On May 05 2010 04:54 semantics wrote: Simple way to prove it, put him in a controlled environment for 2 weeks without food and water and see how long it takes for him to pass out.
Would be better with 5-6 weeks. Some people in Haiti actually survived for about 40 days (I may be wrong, but it was more than 2 weeks for sure) without food and water.
I don't think that would be possible. Without water, I mean.
People have been able to weeks without food, but without any hydration, however small, they would die within days.
On May 05 2010 04:54 semantics wrote: Simple way to prove it, put him in a controlled environment for 2 weeks without food and water and see how long it takes for him to pass out.
They have, or well, if you can call an Indian hospital a controlled environment T_T (no offense, but the risk of someone aiding him is bigger than if one had conducted the study on him in another country)
Yeah i wouldn't call the one present a good controlled environment, a controlled environment would be a room in which a camera can obverse him fully for those 2 weeks in which he can no outside contact, you remove variables not just visit him every once and awhile and call that control.
As i pointed out before there have been plenty of studies coming from china, india etc which are very fishy along with replication in other places which is a common practice to further affirm a study's validity result in utter different results.
30 doctors and you're telling me that you can't get one of them to go along with you, lol if you're just going out to prove that he can do it you do not intervene every day checking things on him you're mudding up a test.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Also if it was true he would be the answer to the energy crysis without any intake and conversion of energy then he is not bound by the laws of physics what does he do run off air and sunlight is he a plant that doesn't require nutrition from the soil now? you see how ridiculous a claim done from a fishy study which hasn't been confirmed by anyone or published for that matter in any valid manner. perhaps you still believe that wearing deodorant will cause you to have altimeters when you get older becuase a study found that those with altimeters had high levels of aluminum in their body cause and effect. Not trusting is the way to found the truth.
to all people who say this could be an abnormality or some amazing developed technique: HE SURVIVED 70 (SEVENTY) YEARS WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER. if you even remotely believe it (all you people who say "i have an open mind" or "there is a small chance") need to fucking open your eyes and realize that ITS NOT POSSIBLE.
this isn't a guy claiming he did it for a month by slowing his metabolism. its a guy saying that he hadn't had food or water since he was 13 years old. its a guy saying that he didn't take a shit, didn't spit out any water.
oh i just thought of the perfect counter-argument while writing this. THIS GUY GREW WITHOUT EATING FOOD OR WATER. he went through puberty, he grew a fucking beard, he probably grew fingernails and shit too. unless he just inflated since he was 13 or looked like that for 70 years, ITS NOT POSSIBLE, GET OVER IT.
On May 05 2010 04:54 semantics wrote: Simple way to prove it, put him in a controlled environment for 2 weeks without food and water and see how long it takes for him to pass out.
Would be better with 5-6 weeks. Some people in Haiti actually survived for about 40 days (I may be wrong, but it was more than 2 weeks for sure) without food and water.
I don't think that would be possible. Without water, I mean.
People have been able to weeks without food, but without any hydration, however small, they would die within days.
That's what I would think, but apparently this person did survive without water. Maybe there was some rain water dripping at some point, but I don't think there was alot of raining. BTW, that person was under alot of debris too, so definitely not the best condition. I'm gonna try to find the source of information.
On May 05 2010 05:03 redtooth wrote: to all people who say this could be an abnormality or some amazing developed technique: HE SURVIVED 70 (SEVENTY) YEARS WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER. if you even remotely believe it (all you people who say "i have an open mind" or "there is a small chance") need to fucking open your eyes and realize that ITS NOT POSSIBLE.
this isn't a guy claiming he did it for a month by slowing his metabolism. its a guy saying that he hadn't had food or water since he was 13 years old. its a guy saying that he didn't take a shit, didn't spit out any water.
oh i just thought of the perfect counter-argument while writing this. THIS GUY GREW WITHOUT EATING FOOD OR WATER. he went through puberty, he grew a fucking beard, he probably grew fingernails and shit too. unless he just inflated since he was 13 or looked like that for 70 years, ITS NOT POSSIBLE, GET OVER IT.
On May 05 2010 05:03 redtooth wrote: to all people who say this could be an abnormality or some amazing developed technique: HE SURVIVED 70 (SEVENTY) YEARS WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER. if you even remotely believe it (all you people who say "i have an open mind" or "there is a small chance") need to fucking open your eyes and realize that ITS NOT POSSIBLE.
this isn't a guy claiming he did it for a month by slowing his metabolism. its a guy saying that he hadn't had food or water since he was 13 years old. its a guy saying that he didn't take a shit, didn't spit out any water.
oh i just thought of the perfect counter-argument while writing this. THIS GUY GREW WITHOUT EATING FOOD OR WATER. he went through puberty, he grew a fucking beard, he probably grew fingernails and shit too. unless he just inflated since he was 13 or looked like that for 70 years, ITS NOT POSSIBLE, GET OVER IT.
You don't get it hes the answer to all our energy problems he obvious produces energy from nothing!
On May 05 2010 05:12 Ideas wrote: what if it turns out he really was blessed by that goddess and it's all true. What if within a week Hinduism is scientifically proven to be true.
THINK ABOUT IT
I'm aware that your post was heavily ironic, so this is not me flaming you...
But am I the only one who have noticed a trend towards people ending idiotic posts with "think about it" as if it somehow confirms what they are saying (mostly used in X ability is OP threads).
On May 05 2010 05:12 Ideas wrote: what if it turns out he really was blessed by that goddess and it's all true. What if within a week Hinduism is scientifically proven to be true.
THINK ABOUT IT
I'm aware that your post was heavily ironic, so this is not me flaming you...
But am I the only one who have noticed a trend towards people ending idiotic posts with "think about it" as if it somehow confirms what they are saying (mostly used in X ability is OP threads).
They say he didn't eat or drink for 3 weeks at the hospital... but they didn't say nothing about intravenous nutrition!
On May 05 2010 05:12 Ideas wrote: what if it turns out he really was blessed by that goddess and it's all true. What if within a week Hinduism is scientifically proven to be true.
Wouldn't it be possible to absorb enough Water by our skin ? ..... Need some1 to confirm... Im 90% sure its not possible to absorb ENOUGH... but still could be a posibility.
On May 05 2010 05:12 Ideas wrote: what if it turns out he really was blessed by that goddess and it's all true. What if within a week Hinduism is scientifically proven to be true.
THINK ABOUT IT
i find this more reasonable then the people blabbering OH THERE'S AT LEAST A 1% CHANCE ITS SCIENTIFICALLY TRUE.
On May 05 2010 01:19 starfries wrote: of course its a hoax, there are people who've claimed this before and after spending a few weeks under observation they all turned out to need food. i don't know why scientists took him so seriously - the guy probably actually believes he doesn't need food, and he's 80 years old, why ruin it for him?
I believe its good for scientists to take all claims seriously (something alot don't do). That way we can finally prove/disprove alot of supernatural or extraordinary claims. When people say they encountered ghosts or if some kind of supernatural event is supposed to occur in some location every so often, you never see scientists try to investigate them to see if they are real or not (even if there is an investigation it will just be scientists creating theories as to how something could have happened which may or may not be true). This essentially just results in scientists saying "its not true simply because we have never observed anything that would allow for this to happen" and other people saying "it is true because I was there and it happened", and in the end neither side can prove or disprove it.
On May 05 2010 03:16 zFly wrote: Why are there so many trolls in this topic?
There aren't very many trolls here, just varying degrees of science education.
I just read all the topic. Even if some people here like you know how the human body works and everything, dont you agree that there is a slightly little possibility of it being possible to not eat or drink for a months ?
If you got that high of education, you should have had the philosophy courses. There is always a possibility in everything, even how stupid or remotely possible it looks.
You can have your own opinion on the subject but i dont think that saying to everyone its imposible is the logical way to do things.
I really like how detailed your post are and i tend to use logic too in everything, a lot of people tell me not to but i do it anyway so im just as you. Im not against what you say but the way you say it.
PS: I hope my post is alright... english isnt my first language.
OT: I think it may be possible but its under 1%.
I agree that if you were in an environment where the water concentration in the air was higher than that in your lungs, you could probably get by without drinking water.
Aside from that, it's about as likely as a cow jumping over the moon.
Of course we can do the philosophical thing: Maybe we live in the matrix, and what we observe is really just a carefully controlled computer program and not really what's happening at all. Maybe you really can absorb nutrients from the air while you're busy bending spoons and stuff. Who knows, right?
All my respect (and envy) goes to Wiley Brooks for being such an awesome badass.
taken from the reference of the site above(you ahve absolutelly to read this to understand how many bullshits we are talking about): DO YOU KNOW THE BASE FREQUENCY OF THE DOUBLE-QUARTER-POUNDER WITH CHEESE MEAL FROM MCDONALD AND DIET COKE?
DO YOU KNOW THE BASE FREQUENCY OF THE 5 MAGIC WORDS I GAVE YOU?
DO YOU KNOW THE BASE FREQUENCY OF ANY WORDS AND THOUGHTS AND FOODS?
DO YOU THINK , NOW THAT ARE AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION, YOU WOULD, IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS, EVER THOUGHT IT MIGHT ALL BOIL DOWN TO WHAT YOU SAY AND THINK AND EAT?
"IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, THE WAS GOD’ .or something like that. I’ll get the correct quote in time
"THE BEST WAY TO A MAN’S HEART IS THROUGH THE STOMACH".
"YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT"
The secret in the diet coke is the "LIQUID LIGHT" Duh!!!!
On May 05 2010 05:26 Yokoblue wrote: Wouldn't it be possible to absorb enough Water by our skin ? ..... Need some1 to confirm... Im 90% sure its not possible to absorb ENOUGH... but still could be a posibility.
When it rains... hes out meditating ?
go try it out how can you confirm it if you don't try it yourself? report recordings in a week please.
On May 05 2010 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: but.. food is fucking awesome. Why the HELL would someone want to cut out eating/drinking from their life?
overrated imo. If I could just take a pill and get proper nutrients in a few shakes every day I'd do that. Much healthier too.
O_o
I would rather have a juicy burger that has taste than pop pills all day. What the hell.
As for this man, I'm not really sure what to believe. As for people, why do we have to study him to make super soldiers? Can't we do it via survival? 2012 is coming up... :x If you believe.
On May 04 2010 22:51 eNoq wrote: this reminds me of when man said its impossible to build flying craft, its impossible to get man into space, its impossible to go above 40mph, see my point? Wait for the test results, if we say impossible, end of.. Man would still be living in caves.
This tbh,
Most likely it's some sort of scam, but you don't have to look down on people who believe otherwise >_>
Yeah, totally agree. Although it's likely that this guy is lying, no one can 100 percent deny this without him dying soon.
Maybe now people will actually give two cents what I have to say.
Lol, yeah maybe if they guy actually did live for 70 years without food. (but he didn't) Does the method to healing yourself include getting high and wearing tye-dye shirts? I'm sure that dude believes that it works.
Lol, another person who doesn't take people seriously and only judges them by what they look like.
Ok, next time you want to get a job, go to the interview dressed as a stinking filthy hobo. Then, when you don't get the job complain that you have been judged on how you look.
Or, run for president wearing nothing but leotards and peacock hats, then complain that you have been judged on how you look when you don't get elected.
Maybe dress as hippie trying to push miracle cures and see how far that gets OH WAIT, someone tried that already.
Has anyone seen anymore updates on this? The most recent stuff I can find is like the last day or so of April, but if he has gone another 5 or 6 days without water and isn't suffering too bad, then thats pretty ridiculous in and of itself. Maybe not miraculous, but certainly abnormal.
Maybe now people will actually give two cents what I have to say.
Lol, yeah maybe if they guy actually did live for 70 years without food. (but he didn't) Does the method to healing yourself include getting high and wearing tye-dye shirts? I'm sure that dude believes that it works.
Lol, another person who doesn't take people seriously and only judges them by what they look like.
Ok, next time you want to get a job, go to the interview dressed as a stinking filthy hobo. Then, when you don't get the job complain that you have been judged on how you look.
Or, run for president wearing nothing but leotards and peacock hats, then complain that you have been judged on how you look when you don't get elected.
Maybe dress as hippie trying to push miracle cures and see how far that gets OH WAIT, someone tried that already.
Dude, there's like a 99.9% chance zFly is making a joke and a .1% chance he's the guy in the video.
Anyway, concerning the OP, there are people who are born without sweat ducts (though this can obviously cause its own problems). There are still many other reasons to believe that surviving without food or water is impossible, but there's no reason to go through all of them. The fact that this guy has survived since the 23rd without water is sufficient reason to study him. I'd like to believe it's possible anyway.
On May 05 2010 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: but.. food is fucking awesome. Why the HELL would someone want to cut out eating/drinking from their life?
overrated imo. If I could just take a pill and get proper nutrients in a few shakes every day I'd do that. Much healthier too.
Yup I am of the same mind my gf thinks i'm crazy as she loves food cooking etc. Hell if i could pop a pill and eat a paste or something to keep my stomach of eating itself i would do that and drink water ez pzy.
the only problem with that is everyone is different you'd have to adjust the pills and the paste for different nutrient levels and regiments.
If the experiment is still going on and he still hasn't had anything to eat/drink, it would be around 13 days by now? That's already impressive. Most survival sites say the absolute longest that should be possible is around 10 days.
Based on conservation of energy, he COULD survive if his body managed to convert sunlight into chemical energy that the body is sustainable on, but the human body doesn't really have that function. I'm curious.
On May 05 2010 08:33 Chairman Ray wrote: Based on conservation of energy, he COULD survive if his body managed to convert sunlight into chemical energy that the body is sustainable on, but the human body doesn't really have that function. I'm curious.
Well, not really(according to current science). He would still need nutrients. Also, the energy the sun created wouldn't be nearly enough from what I understand.
On May 05 2010 08:33 Chairman Ray wrote: Based on conservation of energy, he COULD survive if his body managed to convert sunlight into chemical energy that the body is sustainable on, but the human body doesn't really have that function. I'm curious.
You aren't converting sunlight into chemicals. Photosynthesis for instance uses sunlight to change the oxidation state of chlorophyll, which can then be used in a chemical reaction. You still have to get the chemicals from somewhere.
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On May 05 2010 08:33 Chairman Ray wrote: Based on conservation of energy, he COULD survive if his body managed to convert sunlight into chemical energy that the body is sustainable on, but the human body doesn't really have that function. I'm curious.
You aren't converting sunlight into chemicals. Photosynthesis for instance uses sunlight to change the oxidation state of chlorophyll, which can then be used in a chemical reaction. You still have to get the chemicals from somewhere.
He could get CO2 from the air and cellular respiration and water from oxidative phosphorylation...mix that in with nadph and atp from light reactions...sounds good on paper to me.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
Please don't start citing that fucking critical thinking thread. No one is gonna learn critical thinking from those videos. They unnecessarily invoke controversial subject matter that defeats their ostensible goal. It's reasonably hard for even critical thinkers to be non-critical about those critical thinking videos
The video has been around for years, I'm not even quoting the thread. The videos are logically sound in every way, and if you don't respect logic then there is no point in discussion or arguing anything with you. It's completely relevant to the thread considering someone told me to be more open minded about this shit.
On May 05 2010 08:33 Chairman Ray wrote: Based on conservation of energy, he COULD survive if his body managed to convert sunlight into chemical energy that the body is sustainable on, but the human body doesn't really have that function. I'm curious.
You aren't converting sunlight into chemicals. Photosynthesis for instance uses sunlight to change the oxidation state of chlorophyll, which can then be used in a chemical reaction. You still have to get the chemicals from somewhere.
He could get CO2 from the air and cellular respiration and water from oxidative phosphorylation...mix that in with nadph and atp from light reactions...sounds good on paper to me.
Plants have the ability to stick CO2 onto sugars (using Ru5P carboxylase, the most expressed protein in nature if I recall correctly). We don't have it. Neither does the Yogi.
CO2 is created in cellular respiration when you break down fats and sugars. So you would use that CO2 as a source to... make fats and sugars? That's like using the gas vapor that comes out of your tailpipe to turn your car into a perpetual motion machine.
On May 04 2010 19:51 Squeegy wrote: It's simply not possible. Anyone who understands human biology knows this.
fuck, I don't even think its physically possible in accordance to the laws of thermodynamics :/
There are organisms that eat rocks and get energy from hydrothermal vents, and then there are plants that eat rocks (and air) and get energy from the sun. So it's possible thermodynamically as long as you have some kind of energy source.
Life as we know it requires Carbon, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Sulfur, and Oxygen. Organisms also require metals to change the oxidation states of the above non-metals.
It's not thermodynamics that prevents organisms from growing in the presence of nothing but air and sunshine, it's the requirement for stuff like metals and sulfur that you have to get from eating things.
On May 04 2010 19:17 Orome wrote: 3 weeks, although impressive, is a bit short if he wants to prove his 70 years story. :p
I don't think he wants to prove anything. I've read about this phenomena a long time ago, he isn't the only Indian who's claimed this. They usually don't agree to be observed so it was considered a myth. My father went 40 days with no food, just water and in a year he did 7 or 9 days without anything. Many people has done 14 (i think?) days without food or water voluntarily. Most do this to treat many diseases (often labeled incurable by "official medicine"), especially digestion problems and ulcers etc. I'm pretty sure there are specialized hospitals that will observe and guide people undergoing this.
On May 04 2010 19:51 Squeegy wrote: It's simply not possible. Anyone who understands human biology knows this.
fuck, I don't even think its physically possible in accordance to the laws of thermodynamics :/
There are organisms that eat rocks and get energy from hydrothermal vents, and then there are plants that eat rocks (and air) and get energy from the sun. So it's possible thermodynamically as long as you have some kind of energy source.
Life as we know it requires Carbon, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Sulfur, and Oxygen. Organisms also require metals to change the oxidation states of the above non-metals.
It's not thermodynamics that prevents organisms from growing in the presence of nothing but air and sunshine, it's the requirement for stuff like metals and sulfur that you have to get from eating things.
Human beings don't have the nessicary faculties to synthesize the nessicary elements for all the reactions in our body, so for that guy to live off "meditation" whatever that means, probably violates the law of conservation of energy.
I get what your saying, it isn't purely thermodynamics, obviously something can just exist for 70 years, I mean in relationship to human beings.
On May 04 2010 19:36 ShadeR wrote: lolol 70 years. you cant survive without water for a week in the best of conditions Xd
Like I said above, even my father did. And many people gone 14 days with no food or water.
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
In theory he can just absorb water through his skin, what's so impossible about it? If he was barely moving living in one spot meditating there is a chance he gets just enough energy from sun and air, which has to be the explanation.
On May 04 2010 22:36 PJA wrote: How can you actually believe the words that you are saying? All of the things people have been proven to be able to do through meditation are at least reasonable. It's mostly just being able to control heart rate/blood pressure/state of mind/etc. None of it has ever done anything like allow us to obtain nutrients in ways that we cannot do. How exactly is meditation going to cause us to get nutrition from sunlight? Our body has absolutely no mechanism for turning sunlight into every essential nutrient. This is just blatantly retarded, and basic physics shows us that it's not possible to survive without taking in a certain number of calories.
Do I think that through meditation we can control metabolism and slow down many bodily functions and thus decrease our need for food? Yes, that's possible, but that's completely different than what this man claims to be doing.
It's funny people completely stopped their heart from beating while meditating but they can't influence their metabolism. This is a very thin argument, you either believe none or at least accept the possibility of both.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
Very nice post, also I've read some works on human body energy consumption, one of the points is that each human being can produce a certain amount of energy during it's lifetime, every food intake requires energy to digest it. The more you eat (or rather the higher your calorie intake is) the lesser your life expectancy will be. This is somewhat supported by vegetarians and people that fast living up to 10 years longer on average.
This thread is rather big, many interesting responses. Props to everyone who believes or at least allows that possibility. Human body is a miracle, science can't even come close to understanding how and why many things work.
it might be in the scientist's interest to show that the man is right (say, if the lead scientist is religious or something), so even if 30 days pass, i'd still wait for some more tests from different scientists, ie. peer review
other than that, i dont know jack about this so im just gonna ask, isnt the body supposed to absorb some water from air humidity?
ps. might be slightly related, there was some study that showed that eating less calories actually increases your life expectancy up to a point, as in it was shown that animals taking less calories than they needed (fasting a bit) lived noticeably longer
On May 05 2010 10:13 LG)Sabbath wrote: it might be in the scientist's interest to show that the man is right (say, if the lead scientist is religious or something), so even if 30 days pass, i'd still wait for some more tests from different scientists, ie. peer review
other than that, i dont know jack about this so im just gonna ask, isnt the body supposed to absorb some water from air humidity?
He can also go into the water, it doesn't say anywhere he doesn't bathe.
On May 05 2010 10:13 LG)Sabbath wrote: it might be in the scientist's interest to show that the man is right (say, if the lead scientist is religious or something), so even if 30 days pass, i'd still wait for some more tests from different scientists, ie. peer review
other than that, i dont know jack about this so im just gonna ask, isnt the body supposed to absorb some water from air humidity?
Short answer, no.
When you open the floodgates to a dam, why does the water always go the same direction?
On May 04 2010 23:46 endy wrote: I can't believe scientists can even accept to monitor this guy for 3 weeks. Seriously, you don't need to be a doctor to know this is plain bullshit
3 weeks is not enough. 3 weeks can absolutely be done by more people than you think. You don't know anything about fasting. If this guy really agreed to be monitored to provide this information to everyone else, he should be tested for 3 months. That would be incredible (and I'm certain he will do 3 weeks no problem)
On May 05 2010 00:07 Hawk wrote: anyone who is stupid enough to believe this shit is an idiot, and should be known as such
Btw you are an idiot from the many posts you've made that I had a chance to read. Not because you posted in this thread. An opinion of an idiot should be regarded as such.
On May 05 2010 10:18 Biochemist wrote: Short answer, no.
When you open the floodgates to a dam, why does the water always go the same direction?
You just said we don't absorb water from the air/surroundings. And it's actually "science". Pretty sad.
On May 04 2010 22:18 creepcolony wrote: Is there any living beeing on the planet that can survive without any water ? I dont think so. So why should we be able to do that ? No way this is true.
In theory he can just absorb water through his skin, what's so impossible about it? If he was barely moving living in one spot meditating there is a chance he gets just enough energy from sun and air, which has to be the explanation.
On May 04 2010 22:36 PJA wrote: How can you actually believe the words that you are saying? All of the things people have been proven to be able to do through meditation are at least reasonable. It's mostly just being able to control heart rate/blood pressure/state of mind/etc. None of it has ever done anything like allow us to obtain nutrients in ways that we cannot do. How exactly is meditation going to cause us to get nutrition from sunlight? Our body has absolutely no mechanism for turning sunlight into every essential nutrient. This is just blatantly retarded, and basic physics shows us that it's not possible to survive without taking in a certain number of calories.
Do I think that through meditation we can control metabolism and slow down many bodily functions and thus decrease our need for food? Yes, that's possible, but that's completely different than what this man claims to be doing.
It's funny people completely stopped their heart from beating while meditating but they can't influence their metabolism. This is a very thin argument, you either believe none or at least accept the possibility of both.
On May 04 2010 23:12 Sioux wrote: Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. I've read about breatharians before, there's a lot about the human body that remains a mystery. Did you know we don't know shit? All that stuff about the lock and key methods of hormones and enzymes may be b.s According to a book called Energy Medicine a scientific approach there i evidence that things like adrenaline, which cause a change in your body in seconds does not use the lock and key method wich counts on probability which takes forever but instead has an energy signature that signals all cells it comes near. Wish i could state study but cant find book. Also Matter is just energy. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. E=mc2. So food is just condensed energy. There is electromagnetic energy emerging from the earth at all times, as well as coming from the sun. If you could harness enough of it perhaps our body can use it to make solids such as water, protein etc. Not saying i know for sure, but i do know that we don't know shit. =)
Very nice post, also I've read some works on human body energy consumption, one of the points is that each human being can produce a certain amount of energy during it's lifetime, every food intake requires energy to digest it. The more you eat (or rather the higher your calorie intake is) the lesser your life expectancy will be. This is somewhat supported by vegetarians and people that fast living up to 10 years longer on average.
This thread is rather big, many interesting responses. Props to everyone who believes or at least allows that possibility. Human body is a miracle, science can't even come close to understanding how and why many things work.
I've read some works that talk about how microwave ovens heat food up by making the right kind of noise. The sound waves hit the food and make it heat up. This is supported by the fact that when I take food outside at noon and put it on a shiny metal table and yell at it, it gets warmer.
On May 05 2010 10:13 LG)Sabbath wrote: it might be in the scientist's interest to show that the man is right (say, if the lead scientist is religious or something), so even if 30 days pass, i'd still wait for some more tests from different scientists, ie. peer review
other than that, i dont know jack about this so im just gonna ask, isnt the body supposed to absorb some water from air humidity?
Short answer, no.
When you open the floodgates to a dam, why does the water always go the same direction?
That's not really a good analogy... the reason we don't absorb water, or at least water in any sufficient quantities for survival through the air, is that our skin lacks the ability to absorb water efficiently but our digestive tract does. Even if you were able to efficiently absorb water through the skin it would face the immense task of distributing the water throughout your body. Most organisms that distribute their water and nutrients by diffusion are only a few cells deep... any more than that and it's so inefficient that it becomes impossible.
That's actually one of the main arguments against this case... even if he were somehow able to convert the light into energy... the surface area that this light is available to is miniscule compared to the amount of cells that it needs to get to. A plant has massive surface area and highly developed systems in place to cope with this. We unfortunately do not...
On May 05 2010 08:33 Chairman Ray wrote: Based on conservation of energy, he COULD survive if his body managed to convert sunlight into chemical energy that the body is sustainable on, but the human body doesn't really have that function. I'm curious.
You aren't converting sunlight into chemicals. Photosynthesis for instance uses sunlight to change the oxidation state of chlorophyll, which can then be used in a chemical reaction. You still have to get the chemicals from somewhere.
He could get CO2 from the air and cellular respiration and water from oxidative phosphorylation...mix that in with nadph and atp from light reactions...sounds good on paper to me.
Plants have the ability to stick CO2 onto sugars (using Ru5P carboxylase, the most expressed protein in nature if I recall correctly). We don't have it. Neither does the Yogi.
CO2 is created in cellular respiration when you break down fats and sugars. So you would use that CO2 as a source to... make fats and sugars? That's like using the gas vapor that comes out of your tailpipe to turn your car into a perpetual motion machine.
I don't believe that a guy can live 70+ years w/o nutrients either. It goes against everything we've learned...even the tiniest bacteria needs to do eat and drink.
The only plausible way I see it is that he's either got a mutalistic relationship going on with something in him that provides nutrients for him, recycling waste products to recreate nutrients, or developing the ability to simply absorb nutrients through his skin. All of these possibilities are highly unlikely; i'm just throwing out wacked out reasons at this point.
I gotta admit the recycling nutrients shit was prolly the stupidest outta them all though...
On May 04 2010 23:46 endy wrote: I can't believe scientists can even accept to monitor this guy for 3 weeks. Seriously, you don't need to be a doctor to know this is plain bullshit
3 weeks is not enough. 3 weeks can absolutely be done by more people than you think. You don't know anything about fasting. If this guy really agreed to be monitored to provide this information to everyone else, he should be tested for 3 months. That would be incredible (and I'm certain he will do 3 weeks no problem)
On May 05 2010 00:07 Hawk wrote: anyone who is stupid enough to believe this shit is an idiot, and should be known as such
Btw you are an idiot from the many posts you've made that I had a chance to read. Not because you posted in this thread. An opinion of an idiot should be regarded as such.
On May 05 2010 10:18 Biochemist wrote: Short answer, no.
When you open the floodgates to a dam, why does the water always go the same direction?
You just said we don't absorb water from the air/surroundings. And it's actually "science". Pretty sad.
Perhaps I should say that the rate at which water leaves the body is much faster than the rate at which water enters the body (through the skin). Is that better?
On May 04 2010 23:46 endy wrote: I can't believe scientists can even accept to monitor this guy for 3 weeks. Seriously, you don't need to be a doctor to know this is plain bullshit
3 weeks is not enough. 3 weeks can absolutely be done by more people than you think. You don't know anything about fasting. If this guy really agreed to be monitored to provide this information to everyone else, he should be tested for 3 months. That would be incredible (and I'm certain he will do 3 weeks no problem)
On May 05 2010 00:07 Hawk wrote: anyone who is stupid enough to believe this shit is an idiot, and should be known as such
Btw you are an idiot from the many posts you've made that I had a chance to read. Not because you posted in this thread. An opinion of an idiot should be regarded as such.
Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
On May 05 2010 10:26 Tsagacity wrote: 3 weeks without food isn't hard, but 3 weeks without water? ...
I am 100% certain that 14 days with no food no water was done multiple times before, should look it up online. And my father did at least 7 days (could be 9) while I was basically observing it. So in my opinion 3 weeks opposed to 2 can be achieved by someone who trained himself throughout his life. But even the 3 week term will give a lot of thought to many stuck up people who think that a human can only survive for 3 days without water lol.
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
Well if we open the dam..
Was a fail analogy i guess.. and if it does get absorbed, then what was the argument? It is too "little"? That's the whole point, what if he needs so little that absorbing through skin is enough?
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
Well if we open the dam..
Was a fail analogy i guess.. and if it does get absorbed, then what was the argument? It is too "little"? That's the whole point, what if he needs so little that absorbing through skin is enough?
The argument is that more gets lost than gets absorbed.
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
Well if we open the dam..
Was a fail analogy i guess.. and if it does get absorbed, then what was the argument? It is too "little"? That's the whole point, what if he needs so little that absorbing through skin is enough?
The argument is that more gets lost than gets absorbed.
Thanks for the PM, i think he probably doesn't lose any? If he spends his time meditating he is basically sitting in 1 spot not moving around. He doesn't sweat, he doesn't waste energy.
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
Well if we open the dam..
Was a fail analogy i guess.. and if it does get absorbed, then what was the argument? It is too "little"? That's the whole point, what if he needs so little that absorbing through skin is enough?
The argument is that more gets lost than gets absorbed.
Thanks for the PM, i think he probably doesn't lose any? If he spends his time meditating he is basically sitting in 1 spot not moving around. He doesn't sweat, he doesn't waste energy.
That's probably something that the doctors are testing: Can he go so long without water because he's sitting in a cool, moist environment or because he doesn't have properly functioning sweat glands or some other physiological difference.
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
Well if we open the dam..
Was a fail analogy i guess.. and if it does get absorbed, then what was the argument? It is too "little"? That's the whole point, what if he needs so little that absorbing through skin is enough?
The argument is that more gets lost than gets absorbed.
Thanks for the PM, i think he probably doesn't lose any? If he spends his time meditating he is basically sitting in 1 spot not moving around. He doesn't sweat, he doesn't waste energy.
Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
On May 05 2010 10:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
Imagine his heart rate is 10? And his diaphragm contracts once a minute? Or once in five minutes? All of that was done before, even full absence of a heart rate. In a way meditation gives them the ability to influence those processes, question is - is that enough to survive off just air, moisture and sun.
On May 05 2010 10:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
Imagine his heart rate is 10? And his diaphragm contracts once a minute? Or once in five minutes? All of that was done before, even full absence of a heart rate. In a way meditation gives them the ability to influence those processes, question is - is that enough to survive off just air, moisture and sun.
If that guy could stay 70 years breathing only once in 5 minutes, we would have heard about it earlier.
On May 05 2010 11:13 ShaperofDreams wrote: Rather or not this is true if he actually has done this just for ten days already then holy crap he has to have SOMETHING going on.
Basic physics will allow him 10 days. Physics also say's any more then a few weeks and hes dead. I'm calling bs.
On May 05 2010 11:13 ShaperofDreams wrote: Rather or not this is true if he actually has done this just for ten days already then holy crap he has to have SOMETHING going on.
Basic physics will allow him 10 days. Physics also say's any more then a few weeks and hes dead. I'm calling bs.
On May 05 2010 10:27 condoriano wrote: Biochemist are you in college with a name like this? because you are wrong about skin not absorbing moisture, you were flat out wrong haha.
I think he clarified the statement... and in fact he never said we don't absorb water through our skin... albeit he did make an analogy that wasn't so fitting
Well if we open the dam..
Was a fail analogy i guess.. and if it does get absorbed, then what was the argument? It is too "little"? That's the whole point, what if he needs so little that absorbing through skin is enough?
The argument is that more gets lost than gets absorbed.
Thanks for the PM, i think he probably doesn't lose any? If he spends his time meditating he is basically sitting in 1 spot not moving around. He doesn't sweat, he doesn't waste energy.
Breathing causes a massive loss in moisture. There is simply no way someone can continue to live without eating or drinking unless they are capable of halting every chemical process in their own body, which in itself is impossible. I'm sure meditation could potentially increase the duration of time which you could live without food or water, but 70 years is a load of shit by all standards.
On May 05 2010 11:13 ShaperofDreams wrote: Rather or not this is true if he actually has done this just for ten days already then holy crap he has to have SOMETHING going on.
Basic physics will allow him 10 days. Physics also say's any more then a few weeks and hes dead. I'm calling bs.
ten days without water? (now...12 days right?)
Really? i thought people die after like 4 days without water
On May 05 2010 11:25 Wr3k wrote: Breathing causes a massive loss in moisture. There is simply no way someone can continue to live without eating or drinking unless they are capable of halting every chemical process in their own body, which in itself is impossible. I'm sure meditation could potentially increase the duration of time which you could live without food or water, but 70 years is a load of shit by all standards.
I never said 70 year term is true, he could have lived in his own "imaginary world" for a long time, the only thing we know is that he has gone a few weeks already without food or water and I was simply trying to give a possible explanation to this. If he lived in this state for some years it is exceptional enough, no need to bring up "redefine the science" argument. 3-4 weeks without food or water should do enough to prove that science is far from understanding the processes happening in his body.
To what extent would he have to go in order to prove himself? A couple weeks? months? years? So far he's gone furtherer than the average person... and how many more days before it's world record or something?
Jesus christ, did anyone else read the Bretharian wiki?
Brooks's "institute", in the past, charged varying fees to prospective clients who wished to learn how to live without food, which ranged from US$15 million to US$25 million. A payment plan was also offered.[22] These charges have historically been presented as limited time offers exclusively for billionaires.[23][24] New lower fees have been set to US$100,000 with an initial deposit of US$10,000.[1]
Also, important thing to note - he is not defecating or urinating, this proves that he hasn't been eating for a long period of time before the experiment started. People that did 14 day fasting with no food or water were still defecating, it happened every day fairly regularly.
On May 05 2010 11:34 HowitZer wrote: Our best fuel is oxygen and energy from the universe. The notion of eating food all day is a creation of society.
This is true, cats' societies also created the notion of eating food. They need to get lolcat out and make sure meditationcat makes it to president.
My poor cat... She started out full of energy doing matrix moves off the couch and then got fed a steady diet of mush and became one sorry animal. Do you know how animals get domesticated? All it takes is feeding generation after generation a diet of laboratory chow to destroy their genes making them pathetic beggars. Dogs are domesticated wolves. We have become domesticated. That's why the sperm counts are down and we have all sorts of chronic problems and deformities(crooked teeth for example). Thankfully people are figuring this out and going away from eating cooked denatured poison all the time.
Many animals can survive years without food or water through hibernation. It's possible that this guy has been able to use meditation slow his movement and heart rate down to an extent where he can live off very, very little energy. The warm conditions of India mean he probably wouldn't need to use much energy for heat and there's enough moisture in the air that he's getting enough water just through breathing in and swallowing moisture from the atmosphere, remember without physical exertion the need to sweat is significantly reduced, as the body has no need to cool down - the friction of moving around and using muscles is what causes body heat to build up and sweat is how we cool down.
That said, it won't last forever and he's going to have to eat some time. I'd be really impressed if they dumped him in Russia or somewhere cold and he was still able to go 10 days without food. Also the 70 years is definitely bullshit.
You've got to respect the man either way. Either he has reached such a high level of spiritual advancement that he is nearly divine, or he is a scam artist with pretty big balls.
On May 05 2010 12:01 Wargizmo wrote: Many animals can survive years without food or water through hibernation. It's possible that this guy has been able to use meditation slow his movement and heart rate down to an extent where he can live off very, very little energy. The warm conditions of India mean he probably wouldn't need to use much energy for heat and there's enough moisture in the air that he's getting enough water just through breathing in and swallowing moisture from the atmosphere, remember without physical exertion the need to sweat is significantly reduced, as the body has no need to cool down - the friction of moving around and using muscles is what causes body heat to build up and sweat is how we cool down.
That said, it won't last forever and he's going to have to eat some time. I'd be really impressed if they dumped him in Russia or somewhere cold and he was still able to go 10 days without food. Also the 70 years is definitely bullshit.
also, this indian guy's breath must STINK. no mints, no gum, no food to wash away morning breath. i wonder if he brushes his teeth cause i swallow a little bit every now and again...
And how do you go 70 years without the temptation to just stuff down some calories..
On May 05 2010 12:25 fight_or_flight wrote: You've got to respect the man either way. Either he has reached such a high level of spiritual advancement that he is nearly divine, or he is a scam artist with pretty big balls.
That made me laugh really hard and its true.
lmfao the comment and response above me
also, this indian guy's breath must STINK. no mints, no gum, no food to wash away morning breath. i wonder if he brushes his teeth cause i swallow a little bit every now and again...
... If you dont eat you wont have to diggest things while you're sleeping right... so no morning breath or anything of the sort am I right ?
People who fast will gradually lose odor coming out of their mouth. That ammonia smell only appears in the beginning. After a few days your tongue will start to clean up and slowly will turn pink (basically its healthy color). Bad breath that people have at the beginning comes from the products of breakdown of fats entering the blood stream (all the shit that people live with not knowing it's there).
It's actually possible that he doesn't have teeth, I'm not sure on that one.
Lets say the doctors observer him for 30 days and find that he has not eaten to drink anything and is still alive. Are the nonbelievers going to believe all of the a sudden? Probably not.
The odds of this being real is very low, that is for sure. Most people need water and food to survive. But could it happen? Yes it is possible that this person transcended into some high level spiritual human that does not need to meet any of his biological needs. Meditation does some crazy shit and perhaps this is the case.
I don't think this is a case of whether you believe this is real or not. Its about witness something really exordinary. Imagine all the money he saved on food. He probably doesnt even need to save money either.
On May 05 2010 14:59 ktp wrote: Lets say the doctors observer him for 30 days and find that he has not eaten to drink anything and is still alive. Are the nonbelievers going to believe all of the a sudden? Probably not.
I'd believe it if he managed 30 days. That's way longer than what should be possible.
On May 05 2010 10:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
Imagine his heart rate is 10?
The lowest recorded resting heart rate from an healthy individual is 28 from a cyclist. I'm pretty sure you can't get under 20 without serious problems.
On May 05 2010 10:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
Imagine his heart rate is 10?
The lowest recorded resting heart rate from an healthy individual is 28 from a cyclist. I'm pretty sure you can't get under 20 without serious problems.
? Was done multiple times? Also most people are "pretty sure" you can't live without food or water for 2 weeks.
Your example is a cyclist. His heart muscle and arteries adapted to exercise, changed size and shape and his resting rate dropped to 28. Here you have a human being that doesn't work out or move around at all. It's a completely different mechanism. When you don't eat for weeks your heart rate drops because of your metabolism slowing down. Also, meditation allows some practitioners to control their own heart rate. Not like this was discovered 2 weeks ago.
There's actually people considering living 70 years without eating and drinking a possibility? duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude is this the High thread?
I can't take it anymore... I'm feeling guilty already...
On May 05 2010 14:59 ktp wrote: Lets say the doctors observer him for 30 days and find that he has not eaten to drink anything and is still alive. Are the nonbelievers going to believe all of the a sudden? Probably not.
The odds of this being real is very low, that is for sure. Most people need water and food to survive. But could it happen? Yes it is possible that this person transcended into some high level spiritual human that does not need to meet any of his biological needs. Meditation does some crazy shit and perhaps this is the case.
I don't think this is a case of whether you believe this is real or not. Its about witness something really exordinary. Imagine all the money he saved on food. He probably doesnt even need to save money either.
LOOOOOL saving money this way is funny "After 70 years saving money.. finally got my own mountain" not like he's got any money to save either LOL
You shouldn't be able to be a materialist and believe in magic at the same time. This thread takes post-modern crap philosophy to new heights. If you believe in spirits, fine, some sort of angel or demon did this to him. If you believe there is only the physical world, fine, it's a hoax. But you shouldn't be able to believe both.
On May 05 2010 15:52 LaughingTulkas wrote: You shouldn't be able to be a materialist and believe in magic at the same time. This thread takes post-modern crap philosophy to new heights. If you believe in spirits, fine, some sort of angel or demon did this to him. If you believe there is only the physical world, fine, it's a hoax. But you shouldn't be able to believe both.
how about i believe there is only a physical world and i also believe that humans don't know nearly as much about it as they like to pretend.
and you think they're ignorance on the subject is so thorough that they missed their guess on how long a person can live without water by about 69 years, 11 months, and 2 weeks?
On May 05 2010 07:42 Fontong wrote: ^^Actually I'm pretty sure he is being serious, considering what he posted in the linked thread.
That's the sad part.
I dunno, it's a commercial featuring a man who says our hair is made out of metal. Crazy beliefs usually follow indoctrination into personality cults, or at least some form of social group, but not after viewing commercials. Unless he made a really, really convincing argument for metal hair, of course.
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
Please don't start citing that fucking critical thinking thread. No one is gonna learn critical thinking from those videos. They unnecessarily invoke controversial subject matter that defeats their ostensible goal. It's reasonably hard for even critical thinkers to be non-critical about those critical thinking videos
The video has been around for years, I'm not even quoting the thread. The videos are logically sound in every way, and if you don't respect logic then there is no point in discussion or arguing anything with you. It's completely relevant to the thread considering someone told me to be more open minded about this shit.
Hmm, those videos are completely logical in every way, eh? I think "alot" of people might disagree for one reason or another, none of which I understand; but saying that anything is "logically sound in every way" isn't exactly open-minded or analytical. Also, I assume everyone in this thread, regardless of disparate views, has questions about the biological possibility of living without water for 70 years. Consider what you do know about biology, and whether this knowledge drastically exceeds the average person's, before calling other people morons who aren't staunchly opposed to the possibility that this guy is for real after reading a couple paragraphs about him. I have no idea how you can survive without water, and if it is possible, I imagine there is an explanation that doesn't invoke the non-physical (though I'd be open to alternate possibilities - why not? after all, surviving would already be pretty fucking crazy). Still, don't bash people for the thought-processes that led them to their conclusions. It hardly takes a genius to read the headline of this article and draw the conclusion, "That's not possible!" In fact, I can't imagine anyone would read such a claim and not immediately draw that conclusion. Science aside, it's common sense that we can't survive without water. Meditation accomplishes crazy shit though (or at least scientists seem to believe it a valuable topic to study), and this is an intriguing story. There's no reason to dismiss it off-hand.
On May 04 2010 19:17 Orome wrote: 3 weeks, although impressive, is a bit short if he wants to prove his 70 years story. :p
I don't think he wants to prove anything. I've read about this phenomena a long time ago, he isn't the only Indian who's claimed this. They usually don't agree to be observed so it was considered a myth. My father went 40 days with no food, just water and in a year he did 7 or 9 days without anything. Many people has done 14 (i think?) days without food or water voluntarily. Most do this to treat many diseases (often labeled incurable by "official medicine"), especially digestion problems and ulcers etc. I'm pretty sure there are specialized hospitals that will observe and guide people undergoing this.
Ulcers are not incurable - most are caused by H. Pylori, a bacteria that can be treated easily with anti-biotics. In fact, tons of people have H. Pylori in their digestive tracts, but they are contained at levels that do not produce ulcers. The digestive system is incredibly temperamental and many disorders, like irritable bowel syndrome for example, are "incurable" because they cannot, at least according to Western physicians, be treated medicinally. The symptoms are transient though - I'm not sure if anyone's gone their whole life suffering from IBS. However, it's definitely possible that someone out their has found the cause or cure for digestive problems that still perplex Western medicine. Anyway, I totally agree with you about the fasting business. Asceticism has been around for a very, very long time. If you think no one's gone a week without water before, it is you (the general you) who is misinformed. 70 years is something else, but it's not that much more surprising than the tree man - at least until the tree man was explained - which still means it's really surprising, but it's definitely more fun to try and argue the case for this guy than against him. I don't even see how it's remotely necessary to argue the case against him.
On May 04 2010 19:17 Orome wrote: 3 weeks, although impressive, is a bit short if he wants to prove his 70 years story. :p
I don't think he wants to prove anything. I've read about this phenomena a long time ago, he isn't the only Indian who's claimed this. They usually don't agree to be observed so it was considered a myth. My father went 40 days with no food, just water and in a year he did 7 or 9 days without anything. Many people has done 14 (i think?) days without food or water voluntarily. Most do this to treat many diseases (often labeled incurable by "official medicine"), especially digestion problems and ulcers etc. I'm pretty sure there are specialized hospitals that will observe and guide people undergoing this.
Okay. You've made these claims several times throughout the thread. Do you have any legitimate evidence to substantiate any of these events in which basic human biology was thwarted? All we have so far is your anecdotes. "I've read about this", "Many people have done this" and "My father did this" are probably not sufficient if your aim is actually convincing anyone.
If the world news, and international TEAMS of doctors, and respected organisations were in on this, I'd say okay. Possible, maybe. I'd still need an explanation though.
But seriously. 3rd world medical organisations looking for some worldwide publicity. It's not exactly hard to figure out that this is fake.
Even if he makes it through 3 weeks, that doesn't prove he made it through 70 years. (O snap see what i did there?)
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
Please don't start citing that fucking critical thinking thread. No one is gonna learn critical thinking from those videos. They unnecessarily invoke controversial subject matter that defeats their ostensible goal. It's reasonably hard for even critical thinkers to be non-critical about those critical thinking videos
The video has been around for years, I'm not even quoting the thread. The videos are logically sound in every way, and if you don't respect logic then there is no point in discussion or arguing anything with you. It's completely relevant to the thread considering someone told me to be more open minded about this shit.
Hmm, those videos are completely logical in every way, eh? I think "alot" of people might disagree for one reason or another, none of which I understand; but saying that anything is "logically sound in every way" isn't exactly open-minded or analytical. Also, I assume everyone in this thread, regardless of disparate views, has questions about the biological possibility of living without water for 70 years. Consider what you do know about biology, and whether this knowledge drastically exceeds the average person's, before calling other people morons who aren't staunchly opposed to the possibility that this guy is for real after reading a couple paragraphs about him. I have no idea how you can survive without water, and if it is possible, I imagine there is an explanation that doesn't invoke the non-physical (though I'd be open to alternate possibilities - why not? after all, surviving would already be pretty fucking crazy). Still, don't bash people for the thought-processes that led them to their conclusions. It hardly takes a genius to read the headline of this article and draw the conclusion, "That's not possible!" In fact, I can't imagine anyone would read such a claim and not immediately draw that conclusion. Science aside, it's common sense that we can't survive without water. Meditation accomplishes crazy shit though (or at least scientists seem to believe it a valuable topic to study), and this is an intriguing story. There's no reason to dismiss it off-hand.
these video's coming up again? its upsetting how many people are jumping on the band wagon of this second rate philosopher ¬_¬
There is definitely a caveat about that video. The guy presents the logical side as completely without blame but, very regularly you see people thinking 'scientifically' and then being very derogatory and rude to the people who are maybe making leaps of imagination. It is not scientific to be rude and make fun. It is dick. Especially in situations where there very much could be something unusual going on at work.
On May 05 2010 18:20 mynameisbean wrote: lol it's India guys.
If the world news, and international TEAMS of doctors, and respected organisations were in on this, I'd say okay. Possible, maybe. I'd still need an explanation though.
But seriously. 3rd world medical organisations looking for some worldwide publicity. It's not exactly hard to figure out that this is fake.
Even if he makes it through 3 weeks, that doesn't prove he made it through 70 years. (O snap see what i did there?)
Even if he makes it 3 weeks, it doesn't actually prove that he made it 3 weeks You would be surprised how many twinkies you can fit up your asshole to sneakily eat when no ones looking.
Newspapers are also known to have reported on everything from females getting pregnant in the eigth month of a pregnancy to cold fusion done with 2 electrodes in a glass of water. The guy hasn't gone several weeks without ingesting any kind of moisture in a hot country. He hasn't. It really doesn't matter what the newspapers say -.- If these indian "doctors" get a big article published in Nature on a 80 year old super mutant able to absorb enough water from the air to sustain himself then fine I promise I will reevaluate my worldview. Assuming said article isn't proven to be a hoax within days =p
OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
I discovered this a few months ago while talking to my sister. You can't fight woo with science because science is "all wrong."
The "we don't know everything so therefore we know nothing" argument is so tired
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
I discovered this a few months ago while talking to my sister. You can't fight woo with science because science is "all wrong."
The "we don't know everything so therefore we know nothing" argument is so tired
On May 04 2010 19:03 GoodCat1 wrote: can he cast storms?
Hahahaha
There has to be more to this however. Lets say its a cold night. He needs to stay warm. The heat produced by the body is energy that he will radiate into the atmosphere. Where does the energy come from if he consumes no food?
imaging he is moving, thinking or whatever doing something. everything consumes energy. In addaition you still grow at the age of 13, so, i might be wrong, but i ate a lot when i was growing.
LOL okay guys, I'll backtrack. I'll say it's not IMPOSSIBLE that somehow he's doing this, which would mean biology for him is not what it is for us.
But it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that his reason is the REAL reason he survived to be 70 years old. It's MORE likely that he is lying/faking/cuckoo/any other number of normal reasons.
Just in the same way that it might not be Physics that's keeping the world together, that it's Beanics (my own theory of the universe, Oh snap). But its more likely to be Physics.
People who believe that his explanation is the most LIKELY explanation for his 70 year survival are stupid, empirically speaking. (i.e. they haven't seen how most people actually continue to live, biologically speaking).
Obviously, it's more likely that he ate food and drank water like normal people.
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
I discovered this a few months ago while talking to my sister. You can't fight woo with science because science is "all wrong."
The "we don't know everything so therefore we know nothing" argument is so tired
On May 05 2010 23:57 mynameisbean wrote: LOL okay guys, I'll backtrack. I'll say it's not IMPOSSIBLE that somehow he's doing this, which would mean biology for him is not what it is for us.
But it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that his reason is the REAL reason he survived to be 70 years old. It's MORE likely that he is lying/faking/cuckoo/any other number of normal reasons.
Just in the same way that it might not be Physics that's keeping the world together, that it's Beanics (my own theory of the universe, Oh snap). But its more likely to be Physics.
People who believe that his explanation is the most LIKELY explanation for his 70 year survival are stupid, empirically speaking. (i.e. they haven't seen how most people actually continue to live, biologically speaking).
Obviously, it's more likely that he ate food and drank water like normal people.
Try arguing me nao bish.
To be fair, caloric restriction has shown to improve longevity in humans. But this guy is just full of it.
On May 05 2010 19:57 pyrogenetix wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q&feature=related I don't normally believe this shit but this video is pretty amazing. perhaps we as humans still know rather little about how our bodies work.
Sorry man, that has already been proven to be fake. There are completely real explanations for the trick that those guys pull off.
Just search for it on youtube, or for hoaxs on TL.
On May 05 2010 10:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
Imagine his heart rate is 10?
The lowest recorded resting heart rate from an healthy individual is 28 from a cyclist. I'm pretty sure you can't get under 20 without serious problems.
? Was done multiple times? Also most people are "pretty sure" you can't live without food or water for 2 weeks.
Your example is a cyclist. His heart muscle and arteries adapted to exercise, changed size and shape and his resting rate dropped to 28. Here you have a human being that doesn't work out or move around at all. It's a completely different mechanism. When you don't eat for weeks your heart rate drops because of your metabolism slowing down. Also, meditation allows some practitioners to control their own heart rate. Not like this was discovered 2 weeks ago.
What I stated has recorded scientific proof (28 heart rate). When I say I'm pretty sure you can't do better, it's because there isn't a lowest heart rate recorded in a controlled situation.
I'm still waiting for your proof of your statements. Until then, I highly suggest you go look at the close-mindness video that was posted earlier, you'll learn stuff in there.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
Did you mean to say kg? 40 kg would be an incredible amount of ATP.
I forget exactly what the number is, but this is probably within an order of magnitude. I did this calculation once and it was a surprising amount, though I seem to remember it being in the range of 1-10kg. Remember, you don't make it all at once, and the ADP + phosphate are recycled.
On May 06 2010 01:49 InfoDav wrote: What I stated has recorded scientific proof (28 heart rate). When I say I'm pretty sure you can't do better, it's because there isn't a lowest heart rate recorded in a controlled situation.
I'm still waiting for your proof of your statements. Until then, I highly suggest you go look at the close-mindness video that was posted earlier, you'll learn stuff in there.
That example of 28 that you found of wikipedia is also specifically said to be "one of the lowest" recorded heart rates. Not the lowest. It's there because it was a "perfectly observed" case.
On May 06 2010 01:49 InfoDav wrote: What I stated has recorded scientific proof (28 heart rate). When I say I'm pretty sure you can't do better, it's because there isn't a lowest heart rate recorded in a controlled situation.
I'm still waiting for your proof of your statements. Until then, I highly suggest you go look at the close-mindness video that was posted earlier, you'll learn stuff in there.
That example of 28 that you found of wikipedia is also specifically said to be "one of the lowest" recorded heart rates. Not the lowest. It's there because it was a "perfectly observed" case.
Read this, a medical experiment in a controlled environment. Way to not be close-minded, right?
Where to you get off telling people to stfu? Your insecurity is astounding.
edit: oops, nice edit, it did say "until then - stfu" LOL. All good.
Actually, that wasn't in a completely controlled environment, don't go making things up.
They left the guy alone, unmonitored save for the ECG, then afterwards admitted that he could have simply disconnected between the time they sealed him in and got him out. Sure, they can't comprehend how he could do such a thing, but it makes the study seem really sketchy.
If they wanted to run a real and legitimate study they would have at least place cameras in there with him, but they didn't even do that. It leaves real doubt as to the accuracy of the experiment.
On May 05 2010 17:52 T-P-S wrote: Okay. You've made these claims several times throughout the thread. Do you have any legitimate evidence to substantiate any of these events in which basic human biology was thwarted? All we have so far is your anecdotes. "I've read about this", "Many people have done this" and "My father did this" are probably not sufficient if your aim is actually convincing anyone.
You will find 1000s of stories about water fasting, it's really common. Here's a page out of a book written by an actual doctor:
56 days with no food, just water. This should already thwart basic human biology.
14 day "dry" fasting is somewhat rare, you can still find many notes and stories about it. I know all of this firsthand from observing my dad and the amazing things that happened to him while he was doing that (he only went for 7-9 days though). For instance, he was able to do a full split after a few fasting experiments and he was not even remotely flexible before. All the deposits in his joints were gone. His appearance changed, he looked years younger. I'll provide a couple of links here, most of my knowledge came from reading books but you can easily find this online too:
On May 06 2010 02:27 Fontong wrote: Actually, that wasn't in a completely controlled environment, don't go making things up.
They left the guy alone, unmonitored save for the ECG, then afterwards admitted that he could have simply disconnected between the time they sealed him in and got him out. Sure, they can't comprehend how he could do such a thing, but it makes the study seem really sketchy.
If they wanted to run a real and legitimate study they would have at least place cameras in there with him, but they didn't even do that. It leaves real doubt as to the accuracy of the experiment.
Please don't exaggerate things.
This isn't the only case haha. This is coming from the medical institution, rather than youtube comments (what you seem to base your knowledge off judging from some previous post)
You can dismiss anything by saying "it's a trick", I really shouldn't be trying to persuade you. You are trying to incapacitate yourself and that's common in most people.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
Did you mean to say kg? 40 kg would be an incredible amount of ATP.
I forget exactly what the number is, but this is probably within an order of magnitude. I did this calculation once and it was a surprising amount, though I seem to remember it being in the range of 1-10kg. Remember, you don't make it all at once, and the ADP + phosphate are recycled.
Yeah. At any given moment in time you only have enough ATP in your body for several seconds of activity. And like you say the ADP+phosphate are recycled, so the energy is really just in the bond between the second and third phosphate. So the 40kg figure maybe "correct," but it's also misleading and useless.
It's a bit like sticking a counter in a doorway somewhere in your house that counts up the number of times people pass through that door and multiplies it by the average weight of the people in your house. At the end of the day it might say that there are 17 tons of people in your house, but that's not really accurate, is it?
On May 06 2010 02:27 Fontong wrote: Actually, that wasn't in a completely controlled environment, don't go making things up.
They left the guy alone, unmonitored save for the ECG, then afterwards admitted that he could have simply disconnected between the time they sealed him in and got him out. Sure, they can't comprehend how he could do such a thing, but it makes the study seem really sketchy.
If they wanted to run a real and legitimate study they would have at least place cameras in there with him, but they didn't even do that. It leaves real doubt as to the accuracy of the experiment.
Please don't exaggerate things.
This isn't the only case haha. This is coming from the medical institution, rather than youtube comments (what you seem to base your knowledge off judging from some previous post)
You can dismiss anything by saying "it's a trick", I really shouldn't be trying to persuade you. You are trying to incapacitate yourself and that's common in most people.
Please actually read my previous comments before deciding whether or not they came from youtube. I'm not sure what you are trying to do, obviously it isn't trolling, so it's probably just laziness and/or stupidity.
It doesn't matter whether or not it came from a medical institution. The scientists themselves left the possibility of there being errors in the results. It's foolish to claim this is a rock solid scientific study, so please don't be so close minded.
Please post a more thorough study if you want to be believed. You can prove anything by saying "it's from a medical institution", but you are trying to incapacitate yourself and that's common in most people.
I'm not on a mission here, I just hope some people will open their eyes and at the very least learn a few things about fasting and the abilities of a human body, because to me it was basic knowledge since childhood.
On May 06 2010 02:41 condoriano wrote: I'm not on a mission here, I just hope some people will open their eyes and at the very least learn a few things about fasting and the abilities of a human body, because to me it was basic knowledge since childhood.
This isn't fasting, this is I survived for 70 years on meditation. How many of you would actually believe the guy if he said I survived for 70 years on sitting instead of meditation?
On May 06 2010 02:41 condoriano wrote: I'm not on a mission here, I just hope some people will open their eyes and at the very least learn a few things about fasting and the abilities of a human body, because to me it was basic knowledge since childhood.
This isn't fasting, this is I survived for 70 years on meditation. How many of you would actually believe the guy if he said I survived for 70 years on sitting instead of meditation?
Yeah I addressed this before, even if he's done this for a year but became delusional and imagined it was happening since he was 13 it is still shocking. He definitely was doing it for longer than 2 weeks because he doesn't defecate which is still observed if you dry fast for 14 days. A lot will be established during this experiment, I am curious to see what happens.
On May 05 2010 17:52 T-P-S wrote: Okay. You've made these claims several times throughout the thread. Do you have any legitimate evidence to substantiate any of these events in which basic human biology was thwarted? All we have so far is your anecdotes. "I've read about this", "Many people have done this" and "My father did this" are probably not sufficient if your aim is actually convincing anyone.
You will find 1000s of stories about water fasting, it's really common. Here's a page out of a book written by an actual doctor:
56 days with no food, just water. This should already thwart basic human biology.
14 day "dry" fasting is somewhat rare, you can still find many notes and stories about it. I know all of this firsthand from observing my dad and the amazing things that happened to him while he was doing that (he only went for 7-9 days though). For instance, he was able to do a full split after a few fasting experiments and he was not even remotely flexible before. All the deposits in his joints were gone. His appearance changed, he looked years younger. I'll provide a couple of links here, most of my knowledge came from reading books but you can easily find this online too:
It says that he lived for 70 years without eating or drinking anything, but as far as I can tell if you never eat, drink, or do any sort of activity, you aren't really living at all.
On May 06 2010 02:59 bITt.mAN wrote: It says that he lived for 70 years without eating or drinking anything, but as far as I can tell if you never eat, drink, or do any sort of activity, you aren't really living at all.
That's your own definition of living, nothing added to the discussion here.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
Did you mean to say kg? 40 kg would be an incredible amount of ATP.
Yes, the human body consumes about 40 kg of ATP over a 24 hour time period.
Altough the ATP is not reformed completly the ADP and the Phosphate is recycled to a new ATP molecule, but this process requires energy aswell.
The net gain in glycolysis is 2 ATP, and the net gain for the citric acid cycle after oxidative phosphorylation is about 28 ATP. For an example the glycolysis requires 2 ATP to yeild 4. If you have no energy you can't make up the ATP needed.
EPT
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