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Anyway, replays from last night if anyone likes PvZ (9 straight PvZ games at B+).
Should be live in 10-15 minutes after I've warmed up.
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Here's a terran who likes what he is seeing.
Entertaining play - thumbs up!
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ugh, why so much hate...
thanks for streaming kwark.
btw, what is your APM in some of these recent games? from watching the stream it looks more like you're at least 130+
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Norway28727 Posts
On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:On November 17 2009 13:25 scintilliaSD wrote:On November 17 2009 13:16 foppa wrote:
i dont understand how you can be b+ with 80 eapm. it just doesnt make sense Watch and learn. some people call it cheese Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn. True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play. As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down. The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off. I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually). I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame. Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit... It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word.
9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese
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On November 18 2009 12:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:On November 17 2009 13:25 scintilliaSD wrote:On November 17 2009 13:16 foppa wrote:
i dont understand how you can be b+ with 80 eapm. it just doesnt make sense Watch and learn. some people call it cheese Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn. True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play. As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down. The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off. I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually). I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame. Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit... It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word. 9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796¤tpage=1#13
apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese!
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On November 18 2009 01:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2009 20:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Longi becomes motw and suddenly kwark is scrambling for streaming. I got a new computer last week with dual core. I actually tried streaming about three months ago (there was a blog about it at the time) but it was too laggy to work. So the idea that the two are in any way related is unequivocably false.
I think he was mocking you more than picking on the timing. You did afterall go like 50-4 vs foreigners only on longi avoiding pvp altogether  .
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On November 18 2009 12:43 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2009 12:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:On November 17 2009 13:25 scintilliaSD wrote:On November 17 2009 13:16 foppa wrote:
i dont understand how you can be b+ with 80 eapm. it just doesnt make sense Watch and learn. some people call it cheese Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn. True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play. As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down. The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off. I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually). I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame. Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit... It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word. 9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796¤tpage=1#13apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese!
Someone needs to give that memo to Yellow 8 years ago.
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Channel is now verified btw.
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Norway28727 Posts
On November 18 2009 12:43 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2009 12:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:On November 17 2009 13:25 scintilliaSD wrote:On November 17 2009 13:16 foppa wrote:
i dont understand how you can be b+ with 80 eapm. it just doesnt make sense Watch and learn. some people call it cheese Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn. True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play. As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down. The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off. I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually). I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame. Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit... It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word. 9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796¤tpage=1#13apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese!
wow theres a lot of retarded posts in there
not having 2 hatch play in your repertoire makes you so much easier to play against 
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On November 19 2009 08:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2009 12:43 IntoTheWow wrote:On November 18 2009 12:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:On November 17 2009 13:25 scintilliaSD wrote:
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Watch and learn. some people call it cheese Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn. True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play. As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down. The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off. I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually). I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame. Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit... It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word. 9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796¤tpage=1#13apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese! wow theres a lot of retarded posts in there not having 2 hatch play in your repertoire makes you so much easier to play against
But if for some reason everything fails then you lose!!!
as opposed to every other build...
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On November 19 2009 08:43 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2009 08:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 18 2009 12:43 IntoTheWow wrote:On November 18 2009 12:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:
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some people call it cheese Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn. True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play. As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down. The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off. I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually). I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame. Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit... It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word. 9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796¤tpage=1#13apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese! wow theres a lot of retarded posts in there not having 2 hatch play in your repertoire makes you so much easier to play against But if for some reason everything fails then you lose!!! as opposed to every other build...
2hatch builds can fail? news to me...
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Any way you can increase the FPS on this stream? It seems to be really low, resulting in very choppy playback.
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yeah, increase ur fps to at least 10 plz
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amazing how you dominate tsl so far. could you stream some your games?
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Set your res to 1/2 and then zoom out 50%. I've found that I've been able to get 20+ fps that way! :D
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cheesing the ladder much? haha
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