[Stream] KwarK

On November 17 2009 10:10 XeliN wrote:
Will you be serenading us while playing so i can enjoy the soft nuances of your voice, washing over my ears with a frolicsome dance-like quality?

On November 17 2009 10:10 XeliN wrote:
Will you be serenading us while playing so i can enjoy the soft nuances of your voice, washing over my ears with a frolicsome dance-like quality?

On November 17 2009 13:16 foppa wrote:
i dont understand how you can be b+ with 80 eapm. it just doesnt make sense

On November 17 2009 13:16 foppa wrote:
i dont understand how you can be b+ with 80 eapm. it just doesnt make sense

On November 17 2009 13:55 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
the stream is choppy/laggy, dunno if that can be helped though ;x

On November 17 2009 13:09 faseman wrote:
Whoever is streaming on legacy_uk right now has some of the lowest fps streaming ever. Oh goooooood! It's bearable, but it feels like 5-8 fps recording

On November 17 2009 15:15 KwarK wrote:
I'm using Legacy's because for some reason it works and mine doesn't. He doesn't use it so it's cool.

Chill, how do I record and on demand?

Thanks for watching guys. I had some real nice games there so I hope you liked them. Some great lategame PvZ on longi but unfortunately he got the best of me a few times. I think it went 4-4 overall but I lost points because of rank differences.

On November 17 2009 13:25 scintilliaSD wrote:

Watch and learn.

On November 17 2009 16:24 Cube wrote:


some people call it cheese

On November 17 2009 16:43 KwarK wrote:

Vast majority of my games don't involve cheese. As the guy said, watch and learn.

On November 17 2009 18:56 meathook wrote:

True. Because in the eyes of a 100 apm toss marching up the ladder, proxy tech, centre gateway and two base carriers is the very definition of standard play.

On November 17 2009 19:03 KwarK wrote:

As far as I remember I've used carriers once since the B ranks and that was on 5 bases in a very long PvZ. Centre gateways PvP once against a P who scouts way too late. No proxy tech, there's no point because decent players can work out exactly what's missing and it just slows you down.
The fact that I'm streaming gives people the new opportunity to see how I play before criticising it, instead of just assuming all I do is bulldog (I never bulldog) or some shit like that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm open to criticism, that's one of the most valuable aspects of streaming games to the public imo. I'll be able to get dozens of new perspectives on my game. But criticism from guys who haven't got any idea what they're talking about because they haven't taken the time to look but still feel like chiming in their two cents pisses me off.

On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:

I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually).
I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame.

On November 17 2009 19:40 KwarK wrote:

I'm known for this because of rumours built on rumours started exactly like this. Watch the stream and see how I play or have no idea how I play and keep it to yourself.

And that proxy elevator on destination isn't a cheese build.

On November 17 2009 19:40 KwarK wrote:

I'm known for this because of rumours built on rumours started exactly like this. Watch the stream and see how I play or have no idea how I play and keep it to yourself.
And that proxy elevator on destination isn't a cheese build.

On November 17 2009 14:00 SkepTicAL wrote:
The difference between PvsAll and TvZ is right here.

On November 17 2009 20:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Longi becomes motw and suddenly kwark is scrambling for streaming.

On November 17 2009 23:30 Piste wrote:

yeah the difference is that protoss needs to be extremely smart and careful and not being able to go B+ with just crazy multitasking =)

On November 17 2009 19:15 meathook wrote:

I remember playing you a couple of times on iccup, and what I wrote above is exactly what you were doing. You posted a replay in the who's who a while back showcasing a proxy reaver strategy against some poor terran (who ended up raping you, actually).
I have seen games you've played on different occasions, each time it made me wince due to some sort of cheese by you. You are, in fact, known for this. If you feel I have an erroneous perception of your playstyle, you have only yourself to blame.

On November 18 2009 03:28 Nevuk wrote:
I only watched a few games, but I'm curious as to why you made so many cannons in that pvz series?

On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:
Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit...

It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word.

On November 18 2009 05:29 3clipse wrote:

For example, you seem to be defining "weird shit" as an unconventional and unexpected strategy which exploits your opponents weaknesses while circumventing your own. I would argue that anyone who is for some reason morally opposed to doing "weird shit" is a bad player. If Starcraft were a fighting game or a rhythm game then I could see how play styles which attempt to bypass the importance of mechanical ability would be going against the spirit of the game, so to speak. The difference here being that Starcraft is a Real Time Strategy game. I think it's a shame that mechanics dominate our notions of skill and can often overcome build order/intel/strategic advantages in low levels of play, and I am honestly more impressed by someone like Kwark who manages to be extremely successful despite his slow hands than someone who is "conventionally" skilled such as Nony. I think there's much more to learn about the inherent weaknesses in certain timings, build orders, and races from someone who has no mechanical advantage to exploit and must rely heavily on his decision-making.

On November 18 2009 03:55 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Cannons are a low apm player's 2nd best weapon (DT being first)

On November 18 2009 05:29 3clipse wrote:

For example, you seem to be defining "weird shit" as an unconventional and unexpected strategy which exploits your opponents weaknesses while circumventing your own. I would argue that anyone who is for some reason morally opposed to doing "weird shit" is a bad player. If Starcraft were a fighting game or a rhythm game then I could see how play styles which attempt to bypass the importance of mechanical ability would be going against the spirit of the game, so to speak. The difference here being that Starcraft is a Real Time Strategy game. I think it's a shame that mechanics dominate our notions of skill and can often overcome build order/intel/strategic advantages in low levels of play, and I am honestly more impressed by someone like Kwark who manages to be extremely successful despite his slow hands than someone who is "conventionally" skilled such as Nony. I think there's much more to learn about the inherent weaknesses in certain timings, build orders, and races from someone who has no mechanical advantage to exploit and must rely heavily on his decision-making.

On November 18 2009 06:28 Nevuk wrote:

I mean, yes, that is true, but at the same time he had something like 5 cannons at the front without scouting anything out of the ordinary. I die all the time in pvz due to only making 1 cannon, or even only 4 vs 3 hatch ling, but I do it as a way to force myself to develop better probe micro (I have held off 3 hatch ling with 4 cannons before, probe drills made it possible). As a B+ player, Kwark doesn't really seem to have that concern, rather just going for the greater security. I was wondering if it was a stylistic concern, ie, only due to low apm, or if he did it as a strategic decision, ie that his build was vulnerable to certain timing attacks no matter what so they were necessary.

edit : I use tons of cannons in pvt though, I hate vultures so much that it's not uncommon for me to have 7 or so cannons at a vulnerable expo.

On November 18 2009 03:04 Kyo Yuy wrote:

I don't think Kwark would do any APM intensive builds like sair/reaver.

Please correct me if I am wrong, Kwark.

If you can play sair/reaver efficiently with only 110 APM, I would love to see that sometime :D

On November 18 2009 03:51 LaLuSh wrote:


Dude prolly calls it "aggressive play". No way he's cheesin. Most games I've seen with kwark he does weird shit. His definition of cheese only seems to stretch to proxying shit, so we can't be using it here. Alot of the time his weird shit works too. But eventually you run out of weird shit...

It's like telling kwanro fans that kwanro's a cheeser. "No, he's just an aggressive player". "No that 2hatch muta vs P was a timing attack, it wasn't an all-in". People just have different ways of defining the word.

On November 18 2009 12:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:


9 pool ling runby delaying protoss followed by 2 hatch muta is not cheese

On November 18 2009 01:30 KwarK wrote:

I got a new computer last week with dual core. I actually tried streaming about three months ago (there was a blog about it at the time) but it was too laggy to work. So the idea that the two are in any way related is unequivocably false.

On November 18 2009 12:43 IntoTheWow wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796&currentpage=1#13

apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese!

On November 18 2009 12:43 IntoTheWow wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=105796&currentpage=1#13

apparently anything that does not involve getting 3 hatcheries is cheese!

On November 19 2009 08:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:


wow theres a lot of retarded posts in there

not having 2 hatch play in your repertoire makes you so much easier to play against

On November 19 2009 08:43 KwarK wrote:

But if for some reason everything fails then you lose!!!
as opposed to every other build...

On November 22 2009 14:01 KwarK wrote:
Gonna start in 5 or so. Will be on TSL-KwarK instead of AoN.KwarK so msg him if I forget to fix colours etc.

Still not finalised optimal camtasia settings for streaming so I apologise for any bugs.

On April 06 2011 13:14 KwarK wrote:
I'm a lot rusty.

On May 05 2011 09:16 quirinus wrote:
Kwark fighting! :D

On January 13 2013 09:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And to make it more interesting, there is a TI419 in his twitch chat. This intrigues me. He also likes cannons more than sayle.

On January 13 2013 09:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And to make it more interesting, there is a TI419 in his twitch chat. This intrigues me. He also likes cannons more than sayle.

On January 20 2013 11:21 PUPATREE wrote:
no sound anymore for some reason
cool stream, enjoy watching you play vs naugrim