When discussing the system TSL always ranks TSL seeds on top. This a reward that we give to people who do well in our tournaments. After this is where it became very interesting. There are two very strong arguments directly opposed of each other. One goes that players going through the qualification procedure should be ranked the highest and the other is that Korean invites are ahead of the other players. Because we feel both arguments have merit we have went with a system that mixes the invites with the qualifiers. We started off with the qualifiers because they had to work for their spots.
1. Tyler 2. Mondragon 3. Sen 4. TL Open winner #1 (TLPD) 5. TLPD Korea #1 (TLPD) 6. TL Open winner #2 (TLPD) 7. TLPD Korea #2 (TLPD) 8. TL Open winner #3 (TLPD) 9. TLPD Korea #3 (TLPD) 10. TL Open winner #4 (TLPD) 11. TLPD Korea #4 (TLPD) 12. TL Open winner #5 (TLPD) 13. TLPD Korea #5 (TLPD) 14. TL Open winner #6 (TLPD) 15. TLPD Korea #6 (TLPD) 16. TL Open winner #7 (TLPD) 17. TLPD Korea #7 (TLPD) 18. TL Open winner #8 (TLPD) 19. TLPD Korea #8 (TLPD) 20. TL Open ladder #1 21. TLPD Korea #9 (TLPD) 22. TL Open ladder #2 23. TLPD Korea #10 (TLPD) 24. TL Open ladder #3 25. TLPD Korea #11 (TLPD) 26. TL Open ladder #4 27. TLPD Korea #12 (TLPD) 28. TL Open ladder #5 29. TLPD Korea #13 (TLPD) 30. TL Open ladder #6 31. TL Open ladder #7 32. TL Open ladder #8
All Elo rankings were generated following the conclusion of TL Open TSL3 Qualifier #8. Korean invitees were ranked by the TLPD StarCraft 2 Korean Elo, while TL Open Winners were ranked by the TLPD StarCraft 2 International Elo. These subsets were ranked as is following:
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Oof, NaDa vs TLO First round, along w/ Sen vs Fenix. It's gonna be a gooooood tourny friends! And poor ciara drawing MC first round D=, that's a super tough break.
I started to look at the matchups. After two of them i thought ... wow this could be a final in any lesser tournament. This lineup is so ridiculous. I love it. So effing amazing. Oh boy. I am so hyped before it is even close to beginning. This tournament will provide us with so many answers. Who is good, who is awesome and who is the best of the best. Pure awesomeness.
I really hope Ret will bring his A game like we all know he can. I am also looking forward what Idra will be doing to Cruncher, like imPERSONater already stated, he had some fun comments on JP and friends Episode 1.
Too bad goody has to play nestea. Him against one of the korean terrans would have been great. If they did no research on him before the game they would be so surprised by his style .
as a swede I feel it's unfortunate Jinro will face Morrow.. but looking at the players, there is almost only extreme top-of-the-line players, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This tourney is gonna be so sick!
there only 1 Mirror Match up? I know there is a lot of dislike for PVP and a few hates on TvT, but i for one love ZvZ and think TvT is great. I wish those would have been implemented instead of the PvP
I feel bad for Ciara and Adelscott :/ Other than that there a lot of good games to expect. The players roster was awesome though : I feel like any kind of brackets would have produced GGs anyway.
Hope the foreigners can and will put up a fight, I wonder how much Mondragon has trained for this ...
On March 06 2011 07:47 Strelok wrote: Korean Invitees 1. MVP 2. NesTea 3. MC 4. Jinro 5. NaDa
That's how it's in invites:
#1. MVP #2. MC #3. Nestea #7. Nada #13. Jinro.
That's how it is in ELO korean ranks. How comes?
ELO changed a lot during this month due to upsets in the GSL
How does it matter, if the draw was made today based on recent ELO?
I think djWheat said that the brackets were determined after the last TLOpen. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that from somewhere in the discussion.
On March 06 2011 07:41 sickle wrote: Idra will win the TSL. Heard it here first.
Idra's a strong player but I really don't see him getting past MC, esp in a Bo7 (if MC makes it to the finals that is, but given his current shape, it's a solid bet)
Gogo Tyler! But what a rough bracket! If he wants to advance, he'll most likely have to PvP one of the best two Protoss on the planet. Maybe he should get some unit control lessons from his teammate Mr. #3 Control in the World.
All in all, I'd just really like to see the foreigners have some good showings against the Koreans. Can't wait!
I can't see many of the Korean invites losing in the first round, though I guess with so many matches happening the chances for at least one upset somewhere in there have to be fairly high.
MC vs White-Ra and QXC vs MVP looks possible, oh boy... Excited for Jinro vs MorroW, MVP vs Adelscott... But goddamn, all the matches should be memorable, this is a killer lineup right here.
Jesus H. Christ. Be patient. There will be a separate thread and a template to use in the coming week. The want to announce these things spread out over the next two weeks to keep people interested and so they don't have 2 weeks with nothing happening.
Hmm... I am confused by something with respect to the ranking system. It says the following for rank 6: 6. TL Open winner #2 (TLPD)
The winner of the second TL Open was not HasuObs, but Naniwa... I could've sworn HasuObs was the last to qualify for the TSL, making him TL Open Winner #8 not #2. Additionally, this trend of using wrong winner for each TL Open seems to apply for every one of your TL Open winners except Kas. Am I wrong, or forgetting something? Or did you guys somehow get your winners in the wrong order?
I can agree with the first two roflstomps, but the latter two, Loner and Naniwa, are people not to ever be counted out of a series. They're a pair of players who can play brilliantly on their game and terribly off it, and swing so far between those extremes that you never want to put money on them, but you never want to count them out either. And that's even overcoming my "Don't like Naniwa" bias.
On March 06 2011 08:43 Kahuna. wrote: Hmm... I am confused by something with respect to the ranking system. It says the following for rank 6: 6. TL Open winner #2 (TLPD)
The winner of the second TL Open was not HasuObs, but Naniwa... I could've sworn HasuObs was the last to qualify for the TSL, making him TL Open Winner #8 not #2. Additionally, this trend of using wrong winner for each TL Open seems to apply for every one of your TL Open winners except Kas. Am I wrong, or forgetting something? Or did you guys somehow get your winners in the wrong order?
It is the #2 ranked TL Open winner as determined by TLPD's Elo, not the 2nd TL Open TSL3 qualifier winner.
On March 06 2011 08:43 Kahuna. wrote: Hmm... I am confused by something with respect to the ranking system. It says the following for rank 6: 6. TL Open winner #2 (TLPD)
The winner of the second TL Open was not HasuObs, but Naniwa... I could've sworn HasuObs was the last to qualify for the TSL, making him TL Open Winner #8 not #2. Additionally, this trend of using wrong winner for each TL Open seems to apply for every one of your TL Open winners except Kas. Am I wrong, or forgetting something? Or did you guys somehow get your winners in the wrong order?
It is the #2 ranked TL Open winner as determined by TLPD's Elo, not the 2nd TL Open TSL3 qualifier winner.
Ah.... alright. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
The winner of the second TL Open was not HasuObs, but Naniwa... I could've sworn HasuObs was the last to qualify for the TSL, making him TL Open Winner #8 not #2. Additionally, this trend of using wrong winner for each TL Open seems to apply for every one of your TL Open winners except Kas. Am I wrong, or forgetting something? Or did you guys somehow get your winners in the wrong order?
You are wrong. Read the OP again : TLO open winner #1 is the player with the highest ELO among the winners of TLOpens, not the winner of TLOpen #1.
I agree the terms are confusing, but it is well explained.
On March 06 2011 08:43 Kahuna. wrote: Hmm... I am confused by something with respect to the ranking system. It says the following for rank 6: 6. TL Open winner #2 (TLPD)
The winner of the second TL Open was not HasuObs, but Naniwa... I could've sworn HasuObs was the last to qualify for the TSL, making him TL Open Winner #8 not #2. Additionally, this trend of using wrong winner for each TL Open seems to apply for every one of your TL Open winners except Kas. Am I wrong, or forgetting something? Or did you guys somehow get your winners in the wrong order?
Tyler's actually got a nice bracket too, I'm pretty sure he can beat FD. He could still lose to either him or Strelok of course, but I can still see him beating both of them especially if he brings his TSL magic play into the tournament.
Other than that, I can't wait for MVP to get knocked out before the finals. Don't care who does it, but I know somebody will. =P
Idra vs Nestea (assuming we get that) should be a pretty solid ZvZ to decide the winner of that bracket. Jinro shouldn't have too rough of a time with his bracket, although the winner of huk/hasu wont be a pushover.
Then again, ret and IdrA have similar ZvZ's, so IdrA also gets the benefit of seeing how that match plays out and seeing how Nestea reacts to some of the games.
I really hope we see some EPIC upsets. I especially hope TLO can beat Nada. It's gonna be an uphill battle, but I think if he spawns T or Z in game 1 it should be doable. Then again... it's NADA... gonna be a tough one.
Speaking of tough, HuK's got his work cut out for him this time. Hope he can beat Hasu and take down Jinro (sorry Jinro, gotta root for my own country).
Looking forward to Goody vs Nestea. That could get real interesting.
I agree with this 100%. I think a lot of the series will be really close so it might not be completely accurate, but if every player plays at their best then I think this'll be exactly what happens.
I have a feeling the Koreans are going to tear up this bracket but it will be very exciting if we can get a foreigner into the semi-finals or the finals.
Tyler's definitely going to be interesting to watch as he can do amazing things when he focuses 100% on something (which he says he is doing for this TSL) and he's mentioned a few times about strategies he's hiding.
What a line-up! I cannot wait for this event it is going to be so amazing! Kinda feel sorry that HuK and Jinro as well as TLO and HayprO are so close in the brackets though. I would hate to think that you might meet a team mate so early. This is gonna be sooo good though, look at all of those amazing players!
it'll be embarrassing if the koreans end up dominating this tournament. If foreign players can't keep up with the koreans than we might as well not have a western scene in the first place. No one wants to watch koreans attending every foreign tournament for "free money".
I think that, while it may be favor of the koreans, it won't be as bad as a lot of people think. There is a cap on how good you can get, and you progress towards it slower over time. Means that we can get closer to korean skill level over time.
And it's nice that almost every game is guaranteed to be good. ^^
On March 06 2011 10:11 mufin wrote: it'll be embarrassing if the koreans end up dominating this tournament. If foreign players can't keep up with the koreans than we might as well not have a western scene in the first place. No one wants to watch koreans attending every foreign tournament for "free money".
Unfortunately, tournaments like the IEM are already pointing in the direction of Korean domination.
I don't agree with you that a western league would be pointless though.
Holy wow, those are some amazing matchups, can't wait to see the Koreans battle it out against the non-Koreans. And a fnatic vs fnatic? Awwww Nada vs TLO should be spectacular
TLO vs NaDa definitely calls for a sick, sick game. I also feel quite bad for the Fnatic's because they're going to have to go against each other haha.
Very epic way that Strelok got into TSL 3 :D... too bad he'll lose the the reigning champion... either Tyler or any other player can take this!! So pumped!!
On March 06 2011 11:37 Kare wrote: Funny how people think that it is a upset if Kas beats HayprO
True. Please announce Artosis, Day9 and Tasteless as commentators, as they are the only ones worthy of that player lineup. Oh yeah, i say Koreans and especially Protoss will dominate the tourney.
On March 06 2011 11:37 Kare wrote: Funny how people think that it is a upset if Kas beats HayprO
True. Please announce Artosis, Day9 and Tasteless as commentators, as they are the only ones worthy of that player lineup. Oh yeah, i say Koreans and especially Protoss will dominate the tourney.
On March 06 2011 13:00 CaptainCharisma wrote: March 19th start???? Why does this take so dang long?
Players need time to prepare and practice, and as tourney organizers holding a live event for the final we have to be mindful of when the final would drop in relation to GSL and other live events.
i jizzed.. you guys should offer e-wipes when you release a bracket as sexy as this. The Emporer...NaDa are....competing in a TL run event!? Well done guys. I 've been here for about 4 years and I must give credit where credit is due. Fucking sick work boys.
MorroW vs Jinro first round is going to be epic! :D Former best foreigner against the, in my opionion, current best foreigner, and both from Sweden. So exciting :D
After Korea, Sweden is the best country in esports!
My favorite would have to be HuK, mostly because I am all for Canada.
Otherwise, I must say that all of these games are going to be epic... can't wait for this to start. This is my first TSL to watch, and I am quite excited.
Hasuobs has been impressing me to no end so I can't say I'm happy about his game vs huk who's another favorite of mine... I feel it's sad that we'll miss out on one of these players going passed the first round because of a pvp But at the same time it's really awesome and pretty amazing that it's the only mirror match up. Really looking forward to the TSL looks amazing.
On March 06 2011 12:45 Crt wrote: korean invites have 45% non-koreans, that doesn't make any sense
Those invites went to players living in Korea, not players of Korean nationality. Due to the way the qualifiers were set up it was impossible for TL Opens on the Korean server and the lag they get makes it prohibitive for them to try to qualify on the NA or EU servers so TL did the next best thing and invited their dedicated members that traveled to Korea to compete as well as the top Korean players themselves.
As for the brackets, it's a completely sick line up and it's awesome that there is only one mirror in the first round, albeit at the expense of HuK or HasuObs, both deserving players.
HuK is in trouble again.. already lost some times to another good european P (Socke) he is now facing hasu. This will be a pretty interesting match. hopefully hasu can get some advice from Socke, who is currently the best 4-Gate PvP player (imho).
Also cheering for HuK but i rly want to know how Hasu handles the Korean beasts. imho he is one of a few "foreigners" who could "kill" one or another koreans. HuK already plays in Korea, i can watch his games in GSL, so its not that exciting for me to watch him play koreans sorry
looks well thought about again, i'm sure it must've been a pain deciding on how to rank the players since everybody is damn epic. TSL is going to be great, hype hype hype :D
Rooting for Tyler, MC and Ret. Hopefully Tyler is motivated enough to practice mad hard so he can repeat, and I hope Ret isn't sick and is also motivated to show his mad skills :D
This bracket really brings home how insane this tourney is. Can't wait. This feels like the Starcraft equivalent of everyone in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame getting together to jam for 20 hours.
On March 06 2011 16:37 Reasonable wrote: Too predictable. Might as well go straight to quarterfinals brackets: Fruitdealer vs MC MVP vs Nada Boxer vs Jinro Nestea vs Idra
I got to say I really like the brackets, other than the fact that Jinro and HuK may face each other so early in the 2nd round. I am so pumped for TSL3, gj Team Liquid in putting together a great tournament so far!
I can't see anyone other than a Korean winning this. Especially because MVP, MC and NesTea are all very far apart in the brackets.
I'd love to see a foreigner like IdrA, Tyler or Jinro take the title - but I just don't see the Korean trinity falling to anybody besides each other. I hope I'm wrong though!
Regardless of results, I cannot wait. This is going to be huge.
I hope your stream is ready for it, I anticipate SERIOUS amounts of spectators. I usually stand by and watch some games of IEM and such, but this shit, I'm gonna be benched 24/7 hoping my gf is gonna bring me food or else I'm gonna be hungry.
Every since i got into SC:BW it was just in time to watch TSL2, now im more into the game and know more of the players. Other communities dont realize how big things like this is, and its a shame. This is like michael jordan buzzerbeatingly the hulk smashingly mike tyson ear bitingly tiger woods fist pumpingly awsome!
haha this is so good. i see a korean winning for sure. actually i predict they will get top 3. seeing iem top 4, where code a players place top 3. the likes of nestea mvp fruit, nada, boxer, genius. its gonna be no contest. though i hope it will be a good fight. Jinro could make it interesting though
That is exactly how I think it will play out. Except Jinro might win against Nestea and MC against MVP. MC is just sick and Jinro's TvZ is extremely solid. So yeah.
On March 06 2011 06:55 Rawr wrote: Hopefully Tyler can defend his title.
No kidding man. Tyler's such a boss. I'd give anything to see him nick Nony again though. TLAF-Liquid'Nony.... mmmm... I feel like a hot cucumber just thinking about it.
Lold, this tournament is going to be a foreigner slaughter-fest. The only foreigner I can see making the semis is IdrA and even then his chances of advancing are very slim, simply because it's more than likely he will be playing nestea.
If the production of the bracket show was an indication of how well its done this tournament is going to set the bar entertainment wise. GSL and NASL take notes.
The right side of the bracket looks a little bit "easier" than the left one. So many great matches off the batt and then so many potentially amazing matches.
On March 06 2011 22:58 magha wrote: Are those awesome highlight videos of yesterday available for download or on youtube or w/e? I'd love to show them to friends to hype TSL3
On March 06 2011 13:26 Leviance wrote: Time for cheerfuls!
Rofl, sometimes I wonder why I read these threads for hours on end. Then I see true epicness like that lol. A little taken aback by the psi sword through the canadian flag at first haha, but goody's tank tearing up Nestea's flag brought a HUGE grin to my face, so you are forgiven.
Predictions ro32 Tyler vs Strelok ThorZain vs Fruitdealer MC vs Ciara white-ra vs loner mvp vs adelscott qxc vs genius nada vs tlo kas vs haypro sen vs fenix nightend vs boxer jinro vs morrow habuobs vs huk nestea vs goody naniwa vs ret idra vs cruncher mondragon vs zeerax
ro16 tyler vs fruitdealer mc vs loner mvp vs genius nada vs kas sen vs boxer jinro vs huk nestea vs naniwa idra vs mondragon
ro8 fruitdealer vs mc mvp vs nada sen vs huk nestea vs idra
ro4 mc vs mvp huk vs idra
Finals mc vs huk (Huk hates pvp)
Consolation idra vs mvp
Biggest tossups r032 huk vs hasuobs. Huk doesn't like pvp, but I think if he plays very standard like 4 gate -> 2 base collosus, then he will probably win.
naniwa vs ret. This is really dependant on how much ret drones and how he is playing. Some days he can be the best zerg in the world, other day he isn't. I think naniwa will play abusively against ret's style.
ro16 Seem like all straight forward matches. I hope to get 8/8 in this round on liquidbet
ro8 idra vs nestea. Nestea has an amazing zvz but I think idra will be super motivated. Idra has a lot to study if he wishes to win and I believe he should practice for this matchup specifically as it will be his biggest hurdle. I give the edge (very small) to idra
ro4 mc vs mvp is a 50/50 toss up in my mind. The top 2 players. I chose mc just because he is doing well right now in gsl huk vs idra. The top 2 foreigners (imo) fighting out the ultimate rivalry. Huk wins this only because he will abuse idra more than he's ever been abused. I expect dt's, carriers, blink stalker rush, 2 gate proxy rush, phoenix rush, etc. Huk will lose 1-2 games, but ultimately win
Finals MC vs Huk. Huk obviously hates pvp right now due to it's coin flippish nature and will probably lose like 4-3. If it's anyone other than mc or mvp in the finals, I think huk wins. MC will 4 gate his way to his first TSL championship.
Yeah you know what, the more I look at those brackets the more I just can't see Nestea making it to the finals. I mean sure, he usually goes undefeated until he gets to a player of his skill level... But he also has normally had weeks to practice between matches and I don't think that'll be the case this time. He's most likely gonna have to do a pretty unusual ZvT, then either a ZvP or ZvZ, another ZvZ, and then, if he somehow makes it that far, go up against either Jinro or HuK I'd imagine. The switching around of the matchups will get the better of him. Mark my words.
On March 06 2011 22:58 magha wrote: Are those awesome highlight videos of yesterday available for download or on youtube or w/e? I'd love to show them to friends to hype TSL3
It would be really cool if Mondy came back from the ashes and fight his way to the finals again Like last time when everyone thought he was the underdog for most of the time and he just rolled over everyone. It's a very slim chance of course but one can dream :D TLO vs Nada will be awesome of course and I would love to see Whitera making a splash
Tyler vs Strelok ThorZain vs Fruitdealer MC vs Ciara white-ra vs loner mvp vs adelscott qxc vs genius nada vs tlo kas vs haypro sen vs fenix nightend vs boxer jinro vs morrow habuobs vs huk nestea vs goody naniwa vs ret idra vs cruncher mondragon vs zeerax, although I havent seen him play lol
cant wait for idrA vs Cruncher that will be truly epic, hopefully blink stalker rush since when i saw idrA lose to that before i was amazed at the players stalker control, i sure hope Cruncher is on his A game because he will NEED to be to stand a chance versus the gracken.
I'll be rooting for white-ra, but I really worry about his PvP, especially vs MC. So many epic matchups, this is gonna be great! Looking forward to it.
On March 06 2011 23:09 intrigue wrote: going to be the godliest of godly tournaments
On March 06 2011 22:58 magha wrote: Are those awesome highlight videos of yesterday available for download or on youtube or w/e? I'd love to show them to friends to hype TSL3
On March 07 2011 03:46 CoR wrote: the videos dont have the music inside so do anyone know the song which was played while the highlight videos ? it was such epic song
I've yet to comment on TSL3 in any form. That's only because I know its going to be epic regardless...
and these bracket announcements have proven me right.
Thanks so much for orchestrating all this, TL. I wish the best of luck and hope the tourney runs as smoothly as possible. I'll be there for every game!
This is so awesome. Gonna play a huge part in me cutting down drinking too, THANKS TL <3. Also, Artosis/Chill for commentery duo pls. Their just so good together.
Seeding a bit odd, but you really can't go wrong with such a superstar line-up. I had a look at the TLPD elo ratings. The Korean ones are pretty good, but the international ones seem way off. Really looking forward to this tourney. All in all, great job TL organizing this event.
I took the liberty of attempting to seed this tourney based solely on my own opinion for fun. Har har! Here it is. At least I can use my own seeding to pick the brackets.... (numbers are the actual TSL seed, order is my own appraisal).
My list is radically different from the actual seeding. But I think it would have made for a much better tournament, as far as keeping the most skilled players from killing each other early (the job of the seeds).
your seeds are horrible xd mondragons trelok on 1 lvl, huk over boxer, fruitdealer like below mid, naniwa in who doesnt even play. goody behind ciara and cruncher xD
srsly, you dont have any idea of EU and Kor servers as it seems
[check my top30 list if you want to learn something]
On March 07 2011 08:39 DiaBoLuS wrote: your seeds are horrible xd mondragons trelok on 1 lvl, huk over boxer, fruitdealer like below mid, naniwa in who doesnt even play. goody behind ciara and cruncher xD
srsly, you dont have any idea of EU and Kor servers as it seems
[check my top30 list if you want to learn something]
Excellent bracket this will be one climatic battle of epic proportions, its hard to choose any single person to win, almost every single one of them have demonstrated the ability to win a tournament or event. Good luck for the tourney TL
On March 06 2011 22:58 magha wrote: Are those awesome highlight videos of yesterday available for download or on youtube or w/e? I'd love to show them to friends to hype TSL3
On March 07 2011 08:25 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Seeding a bit odd, but you really can't go wrong with such a superstar line-up. I had a look at the TLPD elo ratings. The Korean ones are pretty good, but the international ones seem way off. Really looking forward to this tourney. All in all, great job TL organizing this event.
The TLPD Elo ratings were taken last weekend after the final TL Open concluded. The results that have been added for tournaments in the last week will lead to a difference in what the rankings were then and what they are now.
Sry if i annoy you guys, but im so much into lists and rankings
You can't seed a league by a power rank lol. Seeds > invites > qualifiers has an obvious logic to it. There will be some oddities in the player pool and seeding for a while until the transitions smooth out, just like GSL has the "wrong" players in Code-S right now, and MLG has the "wrong" players in its 16 seeded players, and IEM5 had the "wrong" players representing NA and EU and KR, and Blizzcon damn near always has the wrong players.
On March 07 2011 16:33 CookieMaker wrote: im calling irda/Nestea quaterfinal epicness
Idk, Mondie might take out IdrA, that match will be better than the one vs nestea or ret (workin that hivemind, that bracket is zerg land)
Since when is Mondragon good at SC2? Comparing him to NesTea and Idra is really silly.
Since he was one of the best foriegn RTS player of all time? We've seen what a BW B teamer can do in star2 (MVP, Cool, IrOn, Zergbong), and mondragon was/is at least as talented as any of them. Just because he hasn't had a major tournament presence as of yet, don't assume he's going to be bad. He's probably one of the most talented players out there, and as we've seen in the past, he can thrive with little/no practice.
On March 07 2011 16:33 CookieMaker wrote: im calling irda/Nestea quaterfinal epicness
Idk, Mondie might take out IdrA, that match will be better than the one vs nestea or ret (workin that hivemind, that bracket is zerg land)
Since when is Mondragon good at SC2? Comparing him to NesTea and Idra is really silly.
Since he was one of the best foriegn RTS player of all time? We've seen what a BW B teamer can do in star2 (MVP, Cool, IrOn, Zergbong), and mondragon was/is at least as talented as any of them. Just because he hasn't had a major tournament presence as of yet, don't assume he's going to be bad. He's probably one of the most talented players out there, and as we've seen in the past, he can thrive with little/no practice.
Have you even seen him play SC2? You are comparing him with the best zergs in the world right now...
On March 07 2011 16:33 CookieMaker wrote: im calling irda/Nestea quaterfinal epicness
Idk, Mondie might take out IdrA, that match will be better than the one vs nestea or ret (workin that hivemind, that bracket is zerg land)
Since when is Mondragon good at SC2? Comparing him to NesTea and Idra is really silly.
Since he was one of the best foriegn RTS player of all time? We've seen what a BW B teamer can do in star2 (MVP, Cool, IrOn, Zergbong), and mondragon was/is at least as talented as any of them. Just because he hasn't had a major tournament presence as of yet, don't assume he's going to be bad. He's probably one of the most talented players out there, and as we've seen in the past, he can thrive with little/no practice.
Have you even seen him play SC2? You are comparing him with the best zergs in the world right now...
Yeah, and he's really strong. I don't know why people doubt he's going to do well. If Flash switched over tommorow, everyone would probably say he's going to do really well regardless, because he's a really strong player. Same with mondragon. He's a great player, and he's got the same foundations as the best players in the world right now (Active B team Korean's at time of release, or top foreigners, and mondragon was right at the top).
Ok I've seen him getting schooled by players on my clan's standard and we are far from professional. He has been playing this game quite a lot and been active for a while so it feels odd assuming that he will suddenly be doing much better because it's this big tournament coming up. He's quite far behind most of the other players in this tournament and sure a big underdog here.
On March 07 2011 10:51 aMaJinG wrote: For all the people asking,
First day of competition..
MARCH 19th 2pm EST
Can't wait.
I also just did a quick count of the TL Open qualifier spots. 13 Europeans to 2 North Americans. Ouch! E-Sports, specifically RTS, is still lagging way behind here. Hopefully it'll get some more momentum and exposure with NASL and more MLG and WCG.
Is there an official bracket pick'em competition yet? Can someone be sure to link it when it comes up? Should be fun. You're going down, DiaBoLuS! btw, our seeds weren't as different as you first let on. I admit I know nothing about mondragon, I've never seen him play so my seeding of him was a complete guess. But I'll stand by my positioning of boxer, who is totally awesome, but seems to be preceded by his reputation. And you have to admit that fruitdealer has been slumping big time since his epic plays in GSL 1.
Sry if i annoy you guys, but im so much into lists and rankings
You can't seed a league by a power rank lol. Seeds > invites > qualifiers has an obvious logic to it. There will be some oddities in the player pool and seeding for a while until the transitions smooth out, just like GSL has the "wrong" players in Code-S right now, and MLG has the "wrong" players in its 16 seeded players, and IEM5 had the "wrong" players representing NA and EU and KR, and Blizzcon damn near always has the wrong players.
IEM has no code s or a, the "right" players either show up at the tournament or they don't
On March 07 2011 09:42 aMaJinG wrote: Was this video made before Korean dominance of IEM? These guys are not buying into the Korean hype.
Those guys were just being rational and knowledgeable enough, unlike a bunch of people who will only see the end ranking at IEM and scream KOREAN DOMINANCE as if it was some sort of a be all end all argument.
Korean dominance in BW was displayed by the skill gap that was visible in the actual games, not a WCG medal sheet or anything. When you see a top Korean BW pro play the game, you can tell that they're really that much better than any non-Korean. This isn't the case in SC2 at all (yet).
What we've had at IEM is Ace exploiting a new air build in PvZ, Squirtle being lucky as hell and Moon probably playing the best tournament games in SC2 to date. It wasn't domination at all, it was just how things worked out in the end.
Sry if i annoy you guys, but im so much into lists and rankings
You can't seed a league by a power rank lol. Seeds > invites > qualifiers has an obvious logic to it. There will be some oddities in the player pool and seeding for a while until the transitions smooth out, just like GSL has the "wrong" players in Code-S right now, and MLG has the "wrong" players in its 16 seeded players, and IEM5 had the "wrong" players representing NA and EU and KR, and Blizzcon damn near always has the wrong players.
ye i know, i dont want to say TSL should seed as i did, no offense xd I just like to play around with brackets and stuff
On March 07 2011 20:39 arctics86 wrote: IEM has no code s or a, the "right" players either show up at the tournament or they don't
Hmmm? IEM players qualified many many months ago.
Just wanted to say that the reason the "wrong" players attended iem was not a system like code s/a but the fact that some of the "right" players didn't participate in the tournament incl. the online stage. And I wouldn't say that Fenix/QXC for na and sjow/white-ra/tarson/demuslim (socke) for eu were the "wrong" players.
Really looking forward to this TSL, hopefully there will be some upsets
Just wanted to say that the reason the "wrong" players attended iem was not a system like code s/a but the fact that some of the "right" players didn't participate in the tournament incl. the online stage. And I wouldn't say that Fenix/QXC for na and sjow/white-ra/tarson/demuslim (socke) for eu were the "wrong" players.
Agreed. The qualification process for IEM WC was one of the most grueling open qualification systems I've ever seen. For NA and Europe, it was definitely the "right" players. Shame IEM couldn't organize an equally grueling quali system for Korea, but perhaps they will try to as ESL Asia gets itself established.
wowwww! EVERY matchup is amazing. Its hard to say "Oh it sucks this guy got matched with so and so. All the players i feel have a good shot at winning. I have no clue who will win.
Zeerax - learn more than one build XD You seemed to do the same build every time ive seen you. He is very susceptible to early pressure.
GL to goody though. If you take down nestea your e-rep will shoot through the roof! XD
Hopefully the two Liquid players who have not yet shown their full potential, Haypro and Tyler, will go far in this tournament! There will be no easy matches so it will be a tough road for everyone. Should be an awesome tournament and I can hardly wait for it to start!
On March 07 2011 22:25 arctics86 wrote: And I wouldn't say that Fenix/QXC for na and sjow/white-ra/tarson/demuslim (socke) for eu were the "wrong" players.
None of them were in the top shape though. Qxc is studying in Spain and didn't really get to practice at all, Fenix was in the process of moving if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think European players played at their best either.
On one hand it's a bit embarrassing that a player who really doesn't have anything special or remarkable in his game (Ace) could just steamroll through the tournament, but on the other hand, none of the Koreans looked that good either. It was a rather poor quality tournament in general, regardless of the names in the brackets.
On March 08 2011 03:51 Kilby wrote: Hopefully the two Liquid players who have not yet shown their full potential, Haypro and Tyler, will go far in this tournament! There will be no easy matches so it will be a tough road for everyone. Should be an awesome tournament and I can hardly wait for it to start!
I would say that Tyler showed his full potential by winning TSL 2. Hopefully he can live up to his potential again.
On March 08 2011 03:51 Kilby wrote: Hopefully the two Liquid players who have not yet shown their full potential, Haypro and Tyler, will go far in this tournament! There will be no easy matches so it will be a tough road for everyone. Should be an awesome tournament and I can hardly wait for it to start!
I would say that Tyler showed his full potential by winning TSL 2. Hopefully he can live up to his potential again.
Fairly certain that he was talking about Tyler's potential in this game, Starcraft II, not the one he was playing before that. :p
Like, if you talk about TLO's potential, who would assume you were talking about Supreme Commander? >_>
On March 08 2011 19:29 Robinsa wrote: So sad to see morrow or jinro getting eliminated first round. What an anticlimax for all swedish fans. Sucks BIG time
The bracket is like that for a lot of people. All the best zergs are pretty much knocking eachother out because they're right next to eachother on the bracket (mondragon, IdrA, Ret, and Nestea). Look at it this way, it sucks a good player is going out, but it should be a great game, as long as Jinro doesn't decide to play zerg that round. Lol.
HYPE!!! THIS IS GONNA BE EPIC!!!! TLO vs Nada will be awesome. But I'm really looking forward to seeing how well Mondragon plays. Teamliquid FIGHTING (and mondragon)!!!
On March 09 2011 12:07 PaladiN_23 wrote: im hoping adelscott does good in this. hes madd underrated and ive known him since the FMP sc orig days!! go cristal!
I agree that they should have set it up so the same country doesn't face each other in the very first round. Kind of sad to have such a big tournament with so many big names just to be forced to play and get eliminated by your local practice partner the very first round (Jinro vs Morrow).
To anyone saying/wishing that HuK wins: its ok to dream, as long as you realize its just a dream. Huk's a cool kid but I sincerely doubt he can take it. In a tournament of THIS caliber, he just wont last.
Its feels obvious that the KR invites will dominate but I'm pretty sure a few of the International players will give them a run for their money. The only KR that I have least faith in is...Boxer. All due respect etc, I just dont see him cutting it.
I'll be happy if a protoss takes the tourney (doesnt matter who) and no a mirror finals.
Predicting that Tyler won't fall until he has to face MC. But as solid and chill as Tyler is... can he really beat the monster that is MC?
Meanwhile... I hope to see Mondragon vs IdrA Mondragon is the darkest of dark horses... has anyone even managed to dig up a good handful of replays of him?
@Crissaegrim - have you not SEEN how much HuK has improved since going to korea? I don't see him fizzling out this tournament, as rough as it is. Expecting to see HuK vs Jinro, here. Between those two.. well, I wish I knew their matchup statistics from the practice house. The two of them probably already know which way that match is favored.
Meanwhile... I hope to see Mondragon vs IdrA Mondragon is the darkest of dark horses... has anyone even managed to dig up a good handful of replays of him?
There are two Hype-Threads about Mondragon, where you can find a bit about his current shape.
When exactly will the matches be played? All on Saturday before the replays get casted? Or do the players just play some time until Saturday? Is there a fix date?
I'm really confident on two upsets, I wouldn't bet the farm on them, but if I'd really want to:
NesTea < GoOdy - I think GoOdy's style will counter NesTea hard.
NaDa < TLO - It's going to come down to the 3rd game and it's going to be an epic TvT.
As far as picks that some of you might consider "upsets" that I would definitely bet on:
HasuObs > Huk - It's PvP, I don't see Huk winning it given his poor decision making early game under pressure.
Naniwa > Ret - Naniwa is too aggressive for Ret.
Kas > Haypro - Haypro suffers from Ret Syndrome, macros too hard.
I'm smelling a Jinro vs MVP final and I think Jinro's going to take it since he's been evolving his play style and working out different strategies. I think he'll have the right openings and late game decision making to snatch it from MVP.
On March 13 2011 14:53 Babyfactory wrote: I'm really confident on two upsets, I wouldn't bet the farm on them, but if I'd really want to:
NesTea < GoOdy - I think GoOdy's style will counter NesTea hard.
NaDa < TLO - It's going to come down to the 3rd game and it's going to be an epic TvT.
As far as picks that some of you might consider "upsets" that I would definitely bet on:
HasuObs > Huk - It's PvP, I don't see Huk winning it given his poor decision making early game under pressure.
Naniwa > Ret - Naniwa is too aggressive for Ret.
Kas > Haypro - Haypro suffers from Ret Syndrome, macros too hard.
I'm smelling a Jinro vs MVP final and I think Jinro's going to take it since he's been evolving his play style and working out different strategies. I think he'll have the right openings and late game decision making to snatch it from MVP.
You're gonna be wrong in everyone of those predictions bro. Except for Kas.
If you ask me(I know nobody does) I´d predict the following:
Tyler vs. FD in Ro16. Tyler is on of the few who has it in them to beat a korean contender.
MC vs Tyler Don´t see MC losing either. Now MC is a beast. He did good in GSL and didn´t falter or play less awesome since then. Tyler may be good when he gives it his all, but to win this he´d need to have trained more constantly before this tournament. Loner vs White-Ra I don´t know much about Loner, but nearly every game of White-Ra I watched he was losing with cheesy compositions. He only plays good when I don´t watch his games, it seems.
Idra vs NesTea I don´t see any of them lose prior to this match.
Jinro vs HuK Hard to predict. Even though MorroW is no slouch, I don´t think he trains enough to compete with Jinro. same for HasuObs.
Sen vs Fenix and Sen vs Boxer/Nightend. Never heard of Nightend, Boxer played terribad as of late. Of Sen and Fenix, I think Sen is the better one. MVP vs Genius Can´t predict farther. Don´t see them underperform enough to not beat their first round opponents. TLO vs NaDa One(a little one to be precise) of the few who have a chance against their korean enemies. Winner of this will also win next round to play MVP/Genius.
I just surveyed a random sample of the bracket entries, and, like me, they seemed to all have Nestea/MC/MVP in the RO4. The crazy thing is, the bracket is set up such that if they win their first games, Team Champ are all set to mirror match their way into the semis, and the mirror is each's best match up. Altogether they are 53-12 in their respective mirrors. The list of players that need to perform in order to make this happen is qxc, Nada/Kas, Tyler, White-Ra, Ret, Idra/Mondragon. We could totally see nine out of the last fifteen matches be mirrors. Craziness.
On March 16 2011 23:20 Mataza wrote: MC vs Tyler Don´t see MC losing either. Now MC is a beast. He did good in GSL and didn´t falter or play less awesome since then. Tyler may be good when he gives it his all, but to win this he´d need to have trained more constantly before this tournament.
Still, let's not forget that Tyler managed to beat Inca at Dreamhack. All in all it's indeed quite funny that Tyler could - in theory - have to go through all GSL champions in order to win this whole thing. (fruitdealer --> MC --> MVP --> Nestea).
On March 16 2011 23:20 Mataza wrote: MC vs Tyler Don´t see MC losing either. Now MC is a beast. He did good in GSL and didn´t falter or play less awesome since then. Tyler may be good when he gives it his all, but to win this he´d need to have trained more constantly before this tournament.
Still, let's not forget that Tyler managed to beat Inca at Dreamhack. All in all it's indeed quite funny that Tyler could - in theory - have to go through all GSL champions in order to win this whole thing. (fruitdealer --> MC --> MVP --> Nestea).
Ok now that would be pure triple distilled awesome. I know he likes to prepare very refined builds for his matches, but if he pulls that off, he should go to korea to win the gsl.
qxc versus genius will be kinda awesome, i think qxc will lose, but his drop and attackheavy playstyle might take the best of genius, but genius is a better caliber
this is impossible to find from the main page. (I mean obviously not, since you did. But I gave up after what I thought was a reasonable time and only found it through your link)
On March 13 2011 14:53 Babyfactory wrote: I'm really confident on two upsets, I wouldn't bet the farm on them, but if I'd really want to:
NesTea < GoOdy - I think GoOdy's style will counter NesTea hard.
NaDa < TLO - It's going to come down to the 3rd game and it's going to be an epic TvT.
As far as picks that some of you might consider "upsets" that I would definitely bet on:
HasuObs > Huk - It's PvP, I don't see Huk winning it given his poor decision making early game under pressure.
Naniwa > Ret - Naniwa is too aggressive for Ret.
Kas > Haypro - Haypro suffers from Ret Syndrome, macros too hard.
I'm smelling a Jinro vs MVP final and I think Jinro's going to take it since he's been evolving his play style and working out different strategies. I think he'll have the right openings and late game decision making to snatch it from MVP.
You're gonna be wrong in everyone of those predictions bro. Except for Kas.
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