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DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:48:27
January 06 2011 21:29 GMT
#1
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I'm back! Welcome to the one and only Starcraft 2 player-ranking for European players. The whole ranking is obviously completely subjective, but unlike power rankings, i try to be close to the reality with this list, instead of showing pure fanboyism. I watch tons of Starcraft every day and play a lot myself, being a Protoss-Player in the Grandmaster-League since its availabe. Make comments on the ranking, tell me, who player might be underrated / overrated by me. Have Fun!



17.09.2011

MADE BY
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EU-Grandmaster (ThisGameSux.488)


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Explanations:

Level 4: The best players in Europe. Favorites to win any (non-korean) tournament they attend.
Level 3: Elite players, capable of winning against anyone.
Level 2: Very strong players, but not the first people winning major tournements you think about.
Level 1: Strong players, capable of winning maps against any Top-Player and winning minor
tournements.
(Level 0: Good competetive players that made a name for themselves in minor tournaments, but didnt make it to Level 1 yet. Not shown in the picture, but the level exists in my own textfile.)
The Numbers 1 to 16 clarifiy my Top 16 Ranking.



Old Lists:
+ Show Spoiler +

08.01. - Week 1: http://www7.pic-upload.de/24.01.11/62zywzw6ce14.jpg
16.01. - Week 2: http://www7.pic-upload.de/24.01.11/dxqpj7ioygs6.jpg
24.01. - Week 3: http://www7.pic-upload.de/24.01.11/aqd4i937cbz.jpg
31.01. - Week 4: http://www7.pic-upload.de/31.01.11/d5f1jpzgtfnn.png
07.02. - Week 5: http://www7.pic-upload.de/07.02.11/3fbuounz3xvh.png
*Added: Black Lines that stand for skillgaps / mark players on almost one level.
15.02. - Week 6: http://www6.pic-upload.de/15.02.11/xqkj8gteibrw.jpg
*Removed: Black Lines that stand for skillgaps / mark players on almost one level.
27.02. - Week 7: http://www8.pic-upload.de/28.02.11/1s8xorkn62bj.jpg
06.03. - Week 8: http://www8.pic-upload.de/06.03.11/88websyw7dl.png
*Added: Following Players, Nationranking EU.
14.03. - Star-Ranking 1: http://www7.pic-upload.de/14.03.11/j8r2t2nrfdp7.png
*Completly redesigned - no more rankings, just 5 different skill steppes for each race
18.03. - Star-Ranking 2: http://www7.pic-upload.de/18.03.11/xcutxgu4vebc.png
24.03. - Star-Ranking 3: http://www7.pic-upload.de/21.03.11/3i2fx4wkbuep.png
01.05. - Star-Ranking 4: http://www7.pic-upload.de/02.04.11/9w385peci9f.png
12.04. - Star-Ranking 5: http://www7.pic-upload.de/12.04.11/1xv7cbsri2sg.png
25.04. - Star-Ranking 6: http://www7.pic-upload.de/25.04.11/xvic2h3nn3ts.jpg
04.05. - Star-Ranking 7: http://www7.pic-upload.de/05.05.11/5rwmocjatzx.jpg
14.05. - SRV2 1 http://www7.pic-upload.de/14.05.11/qedk9n5p88zq.jpg
23.05. - SRV2 2 http://www7.pic-upload.de/23.05.11/rb3mn2knxf6d.jpg
02.06. - SRV2 3 http://www8.pic-upload.de/03.06.11/e3l8dalf33gv.jpg
17.06. - SRV2 4 http://www7.pic-upload.de/17.06.11/yp8i8hie4tl.jpg
30.06. - SRV2 5 http://www.abload.de/img/starraking2-5xdee.jpg
14.07. - WesternStyle Ranking 1 http://www.abload.de/img/newranking013i4q.jpg
05.09. - MetalStyle 1 http://www.abload.de/img/metall-ranking1b7e0.jpg


European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
January 06 2011 21:34 GMT
#2
how can people who don't even play at the gsl be higher rated than ret :I
Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc
Grhym
Profile Joined April 2010
177 Posts
January 06 2011 21:40 GMT
#3
Would be nice to see if you actually base these on numbers or just pick something that you like most.
+ Show Spoiler +

The list is based on my personal impression and experience, including results as well, but in the end its pretty subjective.

is a bit ambigous.

I have no idea how correct it is, but seems pretty ok. Also it looks nice with the cloud stuff
あ
Rhokdar
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark240 Posts
January 06 2011 21:43 GMT
#4
You obviously miss Actionjesuz at rank 1. Else then that, its mostly just personal opinions i suppose
Armsved
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark642 Posts
January 06 2011 21:46 GMT
#5
On January 07 2011 06:43 Rhokdar wrote:
You obviously miss Actionjesuz at rank 1. Else then that, its mostly just personal opinions i suppose


Pretty much this. You could make your own with top 1 only.
YOOO
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
January 06 2011 22:01 GMT
#6
at least i know youre joking about actionjesuz, since even i beat him^^
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 06 2011 22:03 GMT
#7
On January 07 2011 07:01 DiaBoLuS wrote:
at least i know youre joking about actionjesuz, since even i beat him^^


you don't beat ActionJesuz, he just decides not to 6-pool
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 06 2011 22:08 GMT
#8
5 terrans in top 7, terran nerf inc?
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Acer.ParanOid
Profile Joined June 2007
Poland133 Posts
January 06 2011 22:09 GMT
#9
I dont deserve to be there as well. Thanks for mentioning me tho.
publicenemy~
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
January 06 2011 22:11 GMT
#10
lol pretty cool dude
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
Johnranger-123
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United Kingdom341 Posts
January 06 2011 22:20 GMT
#11
On January 07 2011 06:34 Sclol wrote:
how can people who don't even play at the gsl be higher rated than ret :I

The GSL is a tournament that EU users cant play in, how do you know they couldnt if they tried?
I like the layout and mostly agree with this ^^ awesome
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 06 2011 22:21 GMT
#12
On January 07 2011 06:34 Sclol wrote:
how can people who don't even play at the gsl be higher rated than ret :I


I'm sorry but points dont' show how good you are... 3500 looks like you could be good but have like 3k games played and do it all by all inning only. Wouldn't base too much on it :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9405 Posts
January 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#13
Doesn't seem that far of I think.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
January 06 2011 22:42 GMT
#14
It seems pretty legit. Well done!

However it looks like a top of the pop in european Starcraft the last 4 months. I haven't seen a player like Demuslim, Hasuobs er Lucifron do well for quite some time and since you want to do this every week I am wondering about the same as Grhym. Obviously newer results should count more than older results and i think you will realize that it will become more subjective over time.
Repeat before me
Juxx
Profile Joined April 2010
325 Posts
January 06 2011 22:47 GMT
#15
you can't really rank players like that. I think there are elite tiers but i think in your list any of those players could take games off any of the other players.
Grubby Fighting!
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 22:49:01
January 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#16
I actually agree with this overall. I would place naniwa lower and SjoW higher though, and from what I've seen naama has proven himself much more than ret has. I'm sure in about 6 months ret will fit right at the top of that list though. :p


On January 07 2011 07:47 Juxx wrote:
you can't really rank players like that. I think there are elite tiers but i think in your list any of those players could take games off any of the other players.

It's really just his opinion. It's pointless fun.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 23:03:05
January 06 2011 22:58 GMT
#17
pretty cool list
Socke definitely needs to be higher than Mana though imho since Mana only recently started performing.
Sad that europe is so terran infested, not looking forward all that much to IEM Europe ^^
At least TvT is the most entertaining mirror matchup..
beep boop
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
January 07 2011 08:24 GMT
#18
wow thanks a lot, didnt expect any positive critics. ill try to update it on a weekly base (on sundays).

means, next one will be after take's homestory cup #2, 16.01.2011 ~22 cet
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 08:34:57
January 07 2011 08:30 GMT
#19
ok, you got every good player who has been doing well in tourneys and threw them together :D
What i would like to see, having some lesser known players you discovered. There are a couple who do not compete too much in tournaments or some who even avoid ladder, i could name 1-2, zergs speicifially

Regarding the list, Cloud is probably too high, so is Demuslim compared to his achievments, but it's really not that big of a deal. Oh, lalush too

one more bit of a mistake: you put Kuba on the picture but write Tefel on the list, fix it
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
January 07 2011 08:42 GMT
#20
On January 07 2011 07:08 MorroW wrote:
5 terrans in top 7, terran nerf inc?

comments like this wanna make me put a tattoo on my forhead so people cant see the big red spot there because i am facepalming all the time...

Actionjesuz is the man, I like Jinro tho on the first spot ^^
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