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![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/metallrankingberschrif4uoo.jpg) I'm back! Welcome to the one and only Starcraft 2 player-ranking for European players. The whole ranking is obviously completely subjective, but unlike power rankings, i try to be close to the reality with this list, instead of showing pure fanboyism. I watch tons of Starcraft every day and play a lot myself, being a Protoss-Player in the Grandmaster-League since its availabe. Make comments on the ranking, tell me, who player might be underrated / overrated by me. Have Fun!17.09.2011MADE BY![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/diabolusflame1008kxl.jpg) EU-Grandmaster (ThisGameSux.488)![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/metall-ranking2qph6.jpg) Explanations:Level 4: The best players in Europe. Favorites to win any (non-korean) tournament they attend. Level 3: Elite players, capable of winning against anyone. Level 2: Very strong players, but not the first people winning major tournements you think about. Level 1: Strong players, capable of winning maps against any Top-Player and winning minor tournements. ( Level 0: Good competetive players that made a name for themselves in minor tournaments, but didnt make it to Level 1 yet. Not shown in the picture, but the level exists in my own textfile.) The Numbers 1 to 16 clarifiy my Top 16 Ranking.
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how can people who don't even play at the gsl be higher rated than ret :I
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Would be nice to see if you actually base these on numbers or just pick something that you like most.
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The list is based on my personal impression and experience, including results as well, but in the end its pretty subjective.
is a bit ambigous.
I have no idea how correct it is, but seems pretty ok. Also it looks nice with the cloud stuff
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You obviously miss Actionjesuz at rank 1. Else then that, its mostly just personal opinions i suppose
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On January 07 2011 06:43 Rhokdar wrote:
You obviously miss Actionjesuz at rank 1. Else then that, its mostly just personal opinions i suppose
Pretty much this. You could make your own with top 1 only.
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at least i know youre joking about actionjesuz, since even i beat him^^
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On January 07 2011 07:01 DiaBoLuS wrote:
at least i know youre joking about actionjesuz, since even i beat him^^
you don't beat ActionJesuz, he just decides not to 6-pool
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5 terrans in top 7, terran nerf inc?
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I dont deserve to be there as well. Thanks for mentioning me tho.
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On January 07 2011 06:34 Sclol wrote:
how can people who don't even play at the gsl be higher rated than ret :I
The GSL is a tournament that EU users cant play in, how do you know they couldnt if they tried?
I like the layout and mostly agree with this ^^ awesome
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On January 07 2011 06:34 Sclol wrote:
how can people who don't even play at the gsl be higher rated than ret :I
I'm sorry but points dont' show how good you are... 3500 looks like you could be good but have like 3k games played and do it all by all inning only. Wouldn't base too much on it :D
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Doesn't seem that far of I think.
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It seems pretty legit. Well done!
However it looks like a top of the pop in european Starcraft the last 4 months. I haven't seen a player like Demuslim, Hasuobs er Lucifron do well for quite some time and since you want to do this every week I am wondering about the same as Grhym. Obviously newer results should count more than older results and i think you will realize that it will become more subjective over time.
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you can't really rank players like that. I think there are elite tiers but i think in your list any of those players could take games off any of the other players.
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I actually agree with this overall. I would place naniwa lower and SjoW higher though, and from what I've seen naama has proven himself much more than ret has. I'm sure in about 6 months ret will fit right at the top of that list though. :p
On January 07 2011 07:47 Juxx wrote:
you can't really rank players like that. I think there are elite tiers but i think in your list any of those players could take games off any of the other players.
It's really just his opinion. It's pointless fun.
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pretty cool list
Socke definitely needs to be higher than Mana though imho since Mana only recently started performing.
Sad that europe is so terran infested, not looking forward all that much to IEM Europe ^^
At least TvT is the most entertaining mirror matchup..
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wow thanks a lot, didnt expect any positive critics. ill try to update it on a weekly base (on sundays).
means, next one will be after take's homestory cup #2, 16.01.2011 ~22 cet
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ok, you got every good player who has been doing well in tourneys and threw them together :D
What i would like to see, having some lesser known players you discovered. There are a couple who do not compete too much in tournaments or some who even avoid ladder, i could name 1-2, zergs speicifially
Regarding the list, Cloud is probably too high, so is Demuslim compared to his achievments, but it's really not that big of a deal. Oh, lalush too
one more bit of a mistake: you put Kuba on the picture but write Tefel on the list, fix it
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On January 07 2011 07:08 MorroW wrote:
5 terrans in top 7, terran nerf inc?
comments like this wanna make me put a tattoo on my forhead so people cant see the big red spot there because i am facepalming all the time...
Actionjesuz is the man, I like Jinro tho on the first spot ^^
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On January 07 2011 17:42 Skrelt wrote:comments like this wanna make me put a tattoo on my forhead so people cant see the big red spot there because i am facepalming all the time... Actionjesuz is the man, I like Jinro tho on the first spot ^^
your sarcasm detector might need a fix too
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I like that you used the owning SC1 hydralisk in your chart.
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Where's my name?...
Nah just kidding  .
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I do not really understand making those rankings just because of your own oppinion (and results). Seems like its mostly just your own opinion and not really about the results in the past weeks. If you make it just for fun its fine, but those rankings aren't really correct.
Anyway, good job 
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On January 07 2011 17:30 Geo.Rion wrote:
ok, you got every good player who has been doing well in tourneys and threw them together :D
What i would like to see, having some lesser known players you discovered. There are a couple who do not compete too much in tournaments or some who even avoid ladder, i could name 1-2, zergs speicifially
Regarding the list, Cloud is probably too high, so is Demuslim compared to his achievments, but it's really not that big of a deal. Oh, lalush too
one more bit of a mistake: you put Kuba on the picture but write Tefel on the list, fix it
he is known as Tefel in ESL and other tours but Kuba in ladder - not too bad.
+ i pretty much play those "unkown good players / Zergs", but i cant mention them unless they prooved anything.
maybe next week!
€: forgot about nerchio on the right site, he is mentioned on the left though
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On January 07 2011 19:23 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 17:30 Geo.Rion wrote:
ok, you got every good player who has been doing well in tourneys and threw them together :D
What i would like to see, having some lesser known players you discovered. There are a couple who do not compete too much in tournaments or some who even avoid ladder, i could name 1-2, zergs speicifially
Regarding the list, Cloud is probably too high, so is Demuslim compared to his achievments, but it's really not that big of a deal. Oh, lalush too
one more bit of a mistake: you put Kuba on the picture but write Tefel on the list, fix it he is known as Tefel in ESL and other tours but Kuba in ladder - not too bad. + i pretty much play those "unkown good players / Zergs", but i cant mention them unless they prooved anything. maybe next week! €: forgot about nerchio on the right site, he is mentioned on the left though
i know, but u ought to use only one of them at both places or both at both places, else it's confusing for people who dont know this
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updated - 16.01.2011 [Week 2]
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updated - 24.01.2011 [Week 3]
Share your thoughts here if you have sth to share!
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UPDATE - Week 4 from 31.01.2011
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Curious behind the reasoning of putting sjow below demu and nani when he just won go4sc2 and iem europe?
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iem was the week before, but he recently lost more games then he should have. the ppl above him didnt even attend @ go4sc2
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Insolence should be way higher he seems to be on fire right now - He won the last Competo Cup, he won the last Craft Cup and yesterday he won the monthly Go4Sc2 Finals, beating top players in all 3 tourneys.
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yes, but you cannot make him win 10 ranks by showing good results for 2 weeks. if he does well the next tours as well, he will win ranks as well, but a bit of long time performance should be mentioned in every ranking. Same goes for DieStar - he constantly goes higher.
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On February 01 2011 01:14 DiaBoLuS wrote:
yes, but you cannot make him win 10 ranks by showing good results for 2 weeks. if he does well the next tours as well, he will win ranks as well, but a bit of long time performance should be mentioned in every ranking. Same goes for DieStar - he constantly goes higher.
I thought the whole point of this was to rank players weekly based on subjective impression as opposed to those rankings like TLPD/GG.net where there is relatively slow dynamic. Then I didn't understand your OP right. I would find nothing wrong with a player who basically won 2 weekly and 1 monthly tournament in one week moving up 10 spots in a weekly rating. You should reconsider taking weekly form more into account.
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its a mix of both, i wouldnt consider insolence any stronger than players above him atm.
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added a poll.
give me your thoughts!
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Updated!
New leader: Reason for it being Jinro losing to SeleCt and SjoW, Demuslim showing great performances in ladder, beating almost anyone with 85% winratio (before his accident).
Added: Black Lines that stand for skillgaps / mark players on almost one level.
Especially between #18 and #29 its hard to point out huge differences atm.
Deleted the Poll, since it was pretty much senseless.
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cute ranking but putting ben @ rank 1 for ladderwins might get you some flames  , assembly is gonna matter a lot, unfortunately he wont be there ;(
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well, i just think hes better then white-ra and jinro overall atm
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1 week pause - ill go on next week
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I still don't see ActionJesuz . . .
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This might be, cause he doesnt even belong to the Top100.
Since i found some time and motivation, i didnt pause and the new list is up.
Reason for TLO losing so many ranks is most likely the strengh of the other players, not only his so-so results last week (losing to hasuobs, doing relatively bad in assembly).
hf reading and commenting!
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next ranking in 5-6 days.
ToD will be in the new list, for sure.
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Updated again.
no huge changes though.
White-ra, Nani and Mana lost a bit due to their so-so performances, Demuslim lost ranks cause of his broken arm - i simply cannot let him be #2 without showing constantly what hes capable of.
Some other minor changes, nothing too huge since nothing exept of Cebit happened in europe.
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why demu on 4 ?
just remove him till his arm is fixed and he starts playing again.
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Nightend behind DarkForce? Why? Nightend won TSL3 Quali #7 and DarkForce didnt win anything in the last 4 weeks.
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haypro listed way too high imho
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On March 06 2011 18:31 jayDeee wrote:
Nightend behind DarkForce? Why? Nightend won TSL3 Quali #7 and DarkForce didnt win anything in the last 4 weeks.
after the TSL #7 quali final vs morrow, nightend showed *nothing* anymore, while other protosses like hasu and adel showed very good results. nightend even losing in the early stages of many cups.
but somehow i agree - if i compare nightend to darkforce, i have to change a bit about those 2 in the next week. i rly need some more results of darkforce, haypro and the others on that ranking lvl.
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Sjow and MorroW should be ahead of both Kas and Demu imo
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Thanks for the work - I like to read your list. Keep it up please!
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- demuslim shouldnt be in the list atm
- ret no #2 imo, maybe 5-8
- dimaga better than #14, id say 8-9
- XlorD #30+ please! <3
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- agree with demuslim, gotta freeze him on some rank
- we will see about ret, for now it wouldnt be fair to seed him under anyone else but jinro, since he won any lan tour he attempted in europe.
- dimaga plays incredibly bad atm, so unsolid.
- xlord has to show some performance first.
new list tomorrow i guess.
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New ranking - completely redesigned.
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really like the new design - allways thought a grouping fits better for your ranking and is kinda more accurate than the traditional ranking.
but i wonder, do you consider the last week, month or any other timeinterval?
because, if you only think about results during the last couple weeks for example hasuobs won against all his 4 star opponents and cloud is constantly at the top of the ladder ranking(and won some turnaments). but if you consider a longer period tlo has accomplished more than most 4 star players.
and i guess you could add lots of players to the 1 star groups, but in my opinion you should just name rising and declining players there
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small updates/changes and added a playerlist with race, rankings and Liquipedia links for all players if available.
Plz give me your thoughts!
€: to the guy above me:
you are right, Cloud and Hasuobs are almost at the **** with their current accoplishments. but i look at more then 1 or 2 weeks and watch the current tournament results, where cloud doesnt do as he does in ladder.
Hasuobs didnt win anything big yet as well, as naniwa, white-ra or socke did. As i said - i mix results with my and the general opinion about the players, it shouldnt be handeled as the only thing that matters
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havent seen anything from Lucifron anymore since after the beta. why do you place him as high?
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Wow completely agree with your rankings this time as it fully reflects results, although in the future I see thorzain, lalush, sase and grubby moving up one tbh
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On March 23 2011 10:01 shaunnn wrote:
Wow completely agree with your rankings this time as it fully reflects results, although in the future I see thorzain, lalush, sase and grubby moving up one tbh
I agree, this time there is not much I would have done differently. I definitely want to see every single players with 3 stars and more in the NASL
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thanks for the comments. ill try to keep it updated, not too much happened so far.
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beastyqt at least 2 if not 3 stars, cloud definitely 4 stars. lucifron actually in that list (and above beasty)? rofl, that guy bascially gave up his career after DH... i would like to see grubby higher but he probably has yet to prove himself.
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Here is what I don't agree with:
- Kuba and DarkForcE separated by 2 stars
- Brat_Ok 4 Stars with ClouD, GoOdy, Strelok having 3
- Ciara 3 stars
- BeastyQT 1 star
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On March 28 2011 10:16 Leviance wrote:
Here is what I don't agree with:
- Kuba and DarkForcE separated by 2 stars
- Brat_Ok 4 Stars with ClouD, GoOdy, Strelok having 3
- Ciara 3 stars
- BeastyQT 1 star
ciara should have less? strelok definitely needs 4.
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Agree largely, just put
Strelok
Cloud
TLO
in 4 star category.
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hm, kuba maybe needs 2 stars.
For beasty i do not agree, since he simply plays a lot of tours - any other player in the 1* with so many tours played would have equal sucess imo.
lucifron is back apparently, but i guess 1 star is enough.
as for TLO, ClouD, Strelok, there should be a 3.5 category. BratOK would be fitting there as well since he doesnt show too huge results lately. Dno what i do with them yet - maybe ill make the **** to ***** as jinro is, since they perform great in gsl world championship so far.
this would open more space for players like cloud to have a higher rating than probably darkforce or nightend.
new player in 1* will be XlorD.
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Thats really a good list.
Jinro might not deserve a category of his own anymore though, seeing how he played recently.
And I would not say that Darkforce is better then Lalush or Nerchio.
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You should add a date when you updated the list (maybe I just didn't find it). I would maybe switch some players one star up, or down, but in general is this ranking good.
EDIT: I think Naama is listed way too low. I would have maybe even not listed him, or listed him higher. Does he even play a lot right now? I haven't seen him play since Homestory Cup . Maybe he just doesn't go far in tournaments. I don't know.
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updated - hf!
€: Naama just played MLG and lost to a relatively unkown player. He plays some cups from time to time - not too much though.
Isn't there anyone who is that much into the NA scene to be able to make such a list?
Would be pretty nice!
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I think your list is solid with one exception, cloud is above goody. That's impossible.
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Possible changes on the new list
- Nerchio ** --> ***
- Stephano * --> **
- Lowely --> *
- Seiplo --> *
- StarEagle --> *
- Thinking about deleting Lucifron, since he would probably be a **** player while active, but atm he plays 1 cup / month^^
will update it tomorrow.
players like miou, inuh and many more have to proof a little more to get into my list
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really nice thread, nice graphic, almost perfect list :D
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Pretty good list actually!
I'm a bit worried about Dimaga's weakness in ZvP.
It's no easy matchup as of now, but it certainly is not impossible.
I mean it seems like he complains more than actually trying new ideas.
Maybe he got somewhat in a wrong mindset harming his play there.
Even his ling/bane drop vs P cannon FE doesn't look stable, while other Zerg just demolish Protoss for being that greedy.
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nice to see u put kas up to 5*, i totally agree. probably the best foreign terran atm.
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Maybe Kas even needs a own category ! :D
Hes completly dominating the european scene in my eyes
And now he 3:0s Nada, this guy is such a machine
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i like the graphic soooooooo much <3
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beasty and happy at the level of naama? srsly? grubby 1 star (level of seiplo)??? goody and thorzain below sjow and TLO?
everything else seems alright but the things i listed feel so major that i can't really appreciate the effort still 
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SjoW is probably more accomplished than any other terran and simply didnt attend too much lately. thorzain showed NOTHING besides TSL.
Goody showed decent but no monster-results, for example UGC or EPS. Its not like any game is TvT.
and naama? nothing since dreamhack, only groupstage losses. he didnt play too much either, while beasty and happy win any dayly tour they attend at least.
+ happy 90-5 @ ladder... n/c on that one.
Just like seiplo, being in finals / semis of lots of tours, grubby is as strong as him atm.
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On April 12 2011 23:07 DiaBoLuS wrote:
SjoW is probably more accomplished than any other terran and simply didnt attend too much lately. thorzain showed NOTHING besides TSL.
Goody showed decent but no monster-results, for example UGC or EPS. Its not like any game is TvT.
and naama? nothing since dreamhack, only groupstage losses. he didnt play too much either, while beasty and happy win any dayly tour they attend at least.
+ happy 90-5 @ ladder... n/c on that one.
Just like seiplo, being in finals / semis of lots of tours, grubby is as strong as him atm.
quote this so hard!
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looks good this week =)
looking at it reminds me that i havent seen socke vs hasu for quite a while...
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Mmm, I am not totally agree with this ranking :
Terran : I think TLO is little overrated for the moment.
Then Happy, Tarson, Diestar and Thorzain can easily get one more star with their recents results.
Protoss: It's look really good, Will see how Protoss player improve.
Zerg : With many very good results online : Nerchio ( win a lot for cups), and Stephano (3 Sunday go4sc2 in one month ) ,are totally underrated no?
I think Lalush get more potential too.
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Have you seen much of biGs play yet?
Started to notice his name cropping up a lot more at the top end of the usual weekly cups, took down Diestar 3-1 in go4sc finals last night. Don't think he's quite ready for the list yet, but it's nice to have some new Z's breaking through a bit =)
How do you feel about Naugrim recently?
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Haha. This is surprisingly useful for us Americans that are out of the loop of the EU scene.
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MorroW ***** --> ****
ThorZaiN *** --> ****
Happy ** --> ***
Grubby * --> **
Bling*
joe *
Siw *
Osho *
biGs *
Servyoa *
Will be changes on the new list - coming later today
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how do you justify haypros ranking?
i don't see anything that makes him better than stepano and lalush for example
and i dont see why insolence is ranked so high
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On April 24 2011 00:33 DiaBoLuS wrote:
MorroW ***** --> ****
ThorZaiN *** --> ****
Happy ** --> ***
Grubby * --> **
Bling*
joe *
Siw *
Osho *
biGs *
Servyoa *
Will be changes on the new list - coming later today
shouldnt goody get an upgrade as well? seeing his recent performance in some major leagues, versus some major code s players. Also he is the advocate of mech play, which should give him some points as well
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On April 25 2011 23:55 robih wrote:
how do you justify haypros ranking?
i don't see anything that makes him better than stepano and lalush for example
and i dont see why insolence is ranked so high
well, i think downgrading haypro should be done maybe, he simply loses everything he plays.
insolence is more or less inactive atm, but he pwnd extremly hard in weekly and mohtly cups before - he already got his downgrade 1 month ago. hes not far from * atm though.
GoOdy and Tarson are not more then ***, since they are too unstable / Tarson seems to be semi-active atm.
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HayprO *** --> **
Demuslim inactive --> ****
Naugrim *
Cytoplasm *
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On April 26 2011 00:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 00:33 DiaBoLuS wrote:
MorroW ***** --> ****
ThorZaiN *** --> ****
Happy ** --> ***
Grubby * --> **
Bling*
joe *
Siw *
Osho *
biGs *
Servyoa *
Will be changes on the new list - coming later today shouldnt goody get an upgrade as well? seeing his recent performance in some major leagues, versus some major code s players. Also he is the advocate of mech play, which should give him some points as well
edit: mondragon seems a bit low. Why if i may ask?
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The only thing Mondragon achieved was a win vs Zeerax, who certainly never was one of the best protosses in europe, neither did he play any match in the 2 weeks before TSL.
He played ok, his ladderstats are decent, but worse then of any other * player.
Thats why I cannot rank him higher, even though he clearly has the potential to go very high.
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I like it.
Finally a list that shows all these smaller "Cup" regulars .
And finally someone that puts Cloud as high as he probably belongs (on some days ).
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i just see, that rine is listed twice, while Siw and pomi aint.
and kubas is obv Kuba/Tefel xd
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i dont Demuslim think is already up to 4stars. He will, but he got manhandled by Merchio in whatever cup final
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because he didnt knew what infestors could do and didnt even play the gsl maps before^^
look at his ladderaccount, he might be on *** today and on **** in 3 days.
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Plans for next list so far:
Xlord * --> **
Nerchio *** --> ****
Insolence ** --> * (unsure yet)
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hmm... Jinro and ret are too high?
happy, beastyqt and nerchio too low..
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Did Happy win anything besides laddergames?
And Jinro is hard to assess, because we dont see many games of him. Why isnt he owning GSL like a few months before? :/
I support Nerchio up to 4 and Xlord up to 2 (might even be 3?). cant rate Inso, saw like zero +/- 1 game of him in the past weeks. Beasty is not a the same level as Goody and Tarson imho
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Really good ranking overall.
I think Mondragon is at least on a level with Haypro, Ciara, Kubas, Grubby, Insolence and Goody, but obviously it's hard to rate a player with that low appearance.
As for Goody, he's really shaky. Not that he was bad, but inconsistent in his results. Not sure if he's too high or rated just right.
Delphi at least has the potential to be higher imo. Just introduced to LAN events -and didn't perform poorly there, either- and takes quite some maps and matches off players rated better than him. He played really well against ClouD and Hasu (though it was probably easy for him to prepare as theyre all EPS players, too).
Further: Unsure about Nightend. Is he really that high? Last time I saw him was him losing against an uplayable-ping-boxer. Also about Happy, I don't see his 3-rating justified so far.
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On May 01 2011 19:15 teekesselchen wrote:
Really good ranking overall.
I think Mondragon is at least on a level with Haypro, Ciara, Kubas, Grubby, Insolence and Goody, but obviously it's hard to rate a player with that low appearance.
As for Goody, he's really shaky. Not that he was bad, but inconsistent in his results. Not sure if he's too high or rated just right.
Delphi at least has the potential to be higher imo. Just introduced to LAN events -and didn't perform poorly there, either- and takes quite some maps and matches off players rated better than him. He played really well against ClouD and Hasu (though it was probably easy for him to prepare as theyre all EPS players, too).
Further: Unsure about Nightend. Is he really that high? Last time I saw him was him losing against an uplayable-ping-boxer. Also about Happy, I don't see his 3-rating justified so far.
well, 1-2 vs socke and 2-0 vs tarson aint bad - or?
honestly hes nearer to 4 stars then to 2 stars.
another chance next week:
stephano ** --> ***
Jinro ***** --> ****
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On May 01 2011 23:54 DiaBoLuS wrote:
well, 1-2 vs socke and 2-0 vs tarson aint bad - or?
honestly hes nearer to 4 stars then to 2 stars.
another chance next week:
stephano ** --> ***
Jinro ***** --> ****
I think there are many ** rated players able to get a single map off Socke (even some one star: xlord, mondragon, delphi imo), and Tarson is only 3 stars, too. But to be honest I don't see much off Nightend, so you probably got the better image of him.
Changes on Stephano and Jinro are definitly deserved.
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Germany442 Posts
Socke was playing with hangover and no sleep btw.
GoOdy *** -> ** (hasn't won a public game for like 3 weeks?)
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Solid ranking overall. My suggestions:
T:
Jinro * less. Sadly he just performs in the gsl and so its hard to jugde but either way around he needs to be jugded on only this results then.
ThorZaIN * up. I truly think he is really really top class player on a level with Kas. He just plays lesser open tournaments.
ClouD * less. Performed not so well against delphi in the german eps and in the last tournaments he participated in (today against stehpano)
P:
HasuObs * up. Just truly mad results the last weeks. At those french lan, the eps, the nasl, the tsl.,..
I would switch Mana and Grubby just based on the last results.
Z:
Morrow * up. Just maybe. Not so sure but i think he is getting on the same lvl as dimaga.
ret * down maybe? Performed not so well on the las events.
Stephano deserves * more for sure.
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On May 02 2011 06:13 Finrod1 wrote:
Solid ranking overall. My suggestions:
ClouD * less. Performed not so well against delphi in the german eps and in the last tournaments he participated in (today against stehpano)
Ahm, he went to the final in a pretty tuff field? Yes, his play in the final wasn't the best but alone to get there has to count .
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On May 02 2011 06:13 Finrod1 wrote:Solid ranking overall. My suggestions: T: Jinro * less. Sadly he just performs in the gsl and so its hard to jugde but either way around he needs to be jugded on only this results then. ThorZaIN * up. I truly think he is really really top class player on a level with Kas. He just plays lesser open tournaments. ClouD * less. Performed not so well against delphi in the german eps and in the last tournaments he participated in (today against stehpano) P: HasuObs * up. Just truly mad results the last weeks. At those french lan, the eps, the nasl, the tsl.,.. I would switch Mana and Grubby just based on the last results. Z: Morrow * up. Just maybe. Not so sure but i think he is getting on the same lvl as dimaga. ret * down maybe? Performed not so well on the las events. Stephano deserves * more for sure.
Jinro: definitly deserved, as Diabolus already said it himself, too.
Thorzain: Perhaps wait a little longer? I think he really exclusively produced good results in GSL so far, but nowhere else.
ClouD: Hmm, borderline. He is really weak against Zerg lately I think,but apart from that still a force to be reckoned with and easily bashes lower rated players, with a supremacy that definitly justifies the gap. It's pretty much the same as Idra imo: Not that good results against the players above him, but absolutely constantly perfect results against players below him.
Hasu: Really close one. 5* is really somewhat of an exclusive top class so far, Hasu might be like 4.5*.
Grubby 3*? No, I don't see that happen quite yet, his results weren't that good either. And by no means I see him beeing stronger than ToD already. Mana ** perhaps, but I don't really have him on screen to have a valid image.
Morrow up? I thought him to be rather disappointing lately and by no means having an upward tendendy. Even losing to Grubby 3:0 iirc? That hurts. No way he has the consistency and raw skill of a 5* imo.
Ret on the other hand I find really well rated like that, maybe with a verry slight downward tendency, but he usually should have the skill to claim a 4*.
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Ciara *
XlorD **
Stephano ***
Bischu?
Cloud ***
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ClouD is rly close to get downgraded, but its still just his TvZ that sucked for some weeks, i think he will imporve that mu.
he is still a top class player imo.
Ciara... well you just dont get to see too much of him. i think ** are still ok.
Same goes for Bischu, dont know i could * him i guess.
Xlord/Stephano get upgraded as i said, just like Nerchio.
Hasu is indeed close to ***** - the thing is that im a huge fanboy of him and dont wanna overrate him too fast xd
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not sure about white-ra, yes he is consistant but there is noticeable difference beetwen him and Naniwa
tbh some players would be inbeetwen some ranks :p have u ever considered adding 1 more star and spreading it more ? :D
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New List guys!
Added some changes, you can pretty much call it Version 2 of StarRanking!
+ Show Spoiler +
Changes:
- a bit bigger for more space to put names in
- added skillgaps - 2 categorys for each Star-Rank
Example: A lower *** can be count as ~2.8 (DarKFoRcE), a high *** can be count as ~3.2 (Happy)
In the race distribution i count the full Stars though.
€: Forgot Bischu as higher * - well, mistakes happen i guess^^
If you like this list, plz spread the link anywhere!
Would appreciate it pretty much
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Nice new ranking, a lot of things I agree with. Diving single numbers into like "3+" and "3-" really improves it.
About Goody as 3+: Let's say I "hope" you're right, because I'm a big goody fanboy :D
He might be the most inconsistent player of all of these, but yeah, I guess a 3-rating is fine.
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changes for next time:
Deleting the 1* category.
that means, 2** will be the new 1*, 4**** will be the new 5*****
some changes between players as well ofc.
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Completly new list with new graphics - i hope you like it!
as i mentioned before, there is only 1*, 1*+, 2*, 2*+, 3*, 3*+, 4*, 4*+ left - that means, the list of players got a lot smaller.
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Israel2209 Posts
The new graphics are visually appealing, but make reading some of the names harder.
I do totally support this project and often link people to it
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thanks a lot!
well, its hard to make graphics that look good but are dark enough or bright enough to make names easy to read^^
€: Added a Replaypack of me, just for fun whoever wants to watch some games^^
 *click*
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On May 14 2011 23:39 DiaBoLuS wrote:thanks a lot! well, its hard to make graphics that look good but are dark enough or bright enough to make names easy to read^^ €: Added a Replaypack of me, just for fun whoever wants to watch some games^^ *click*
awesome changes, but what race do you play?
+ Show Spoiler +thorzain shold have 5 stars :p
edit: you are in the grandmaster league D:
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im protoss, but i wanna say the topic in this thread should still be the list itself^^ its just a little add!
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demuslim in top players is a joke : ) he might have been good (competitively) b4 his arm injury , but now ...
also keep in mind 90% of players will not play they're actual strats on the ladder.
here's a friendly tip , re-edit your list by considering the Black Dragon League aswell ;-)
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1. black dragon league is a joke league - the organization is the worst ever.
2. see demuslim play, dont judge only by results from the last 2 weeks.
he is GREAT even now, make an mlg/esl event now, demuslim attending, he is top 6 100%.
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omg the old list was so much better :O
TLO 2 Stars?
Demuslim 3 ?
he is good, yes, but saw tlo on stream owning so much, also 3 games against demuslim, tlo won all 3 of them !
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I think the previous optical design was much better, this one is harder to read with the higher contrast background. If you want to keep this, maybe lower contrast and brightness a lot.
I don't really understand why Kas is not at the very top anymore, he still delivers - apart from his TSL performance against Thorzain, but as we all know Thorzain is a TSL beast :D
And: Mondragon really still lower 1*?
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ok, i think even though he only played TSL, ThoZaIN for now deserves the elite spot next to Kas in the new list next week
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Germany442 Posts
Hmm ThorZain probably deserves the spot, mlg will give more insight though.
Strelok is also playing really impressive these days, definitely creeping towards a spot on the top.
Bratok not delivering the past week, maybe consider a demotion if that goes on.
Very solid list overall, good job.
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On May 15 2011 22:54 ChaosArcher wrote:
omg the old list was so much better :O
TLO 2 Stars?
Demuslim 3 ?
he is good, yes, but saw tlo on stream owning so much, also 3 games against demuslim, tlo won all 3 of them !
I think you have me slightly mistaken - i haven't played TLO since my injury :S
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On May 16 2011 20:10 DeMusliM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 22:54 ChaosArcher wrote:
omg the old list was so much better :O
TLO 2 Stars?
Demuslim 3 ?
he is good, yes, but saw tlo on stream owning so much, also 3 games against demuslim, tlo won all 3 of them !
I think you have me slightly mistaken - i haven't played TLO since my injury :S
haha kk then it was beastyqt, sry for that bro :D
But still, i think - right now - tlo has to be rated above you because he was top 5 im mlg 2 times :D
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not much to complain about atm, except i think diestar should be at least one star better. i even think he is better than all your 2-star terrans, so i would give him 3 :O
/e: and after this tsl you probably have to give Thorre 4* <3
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XlorD might work his way up the food chain, he performed pretty well against HasuObs in a bo5 (which he lost 2-3 ultimately). I hope he can prove that level further :D
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Updated list posted - hf!
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changes next list:
beastyQt: half star up
DieStar: half star up
Happy: half star down
undecided yet:
joe half star up
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please finally put beastyqt above naama. -_-
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he didnt show too many good results latetly, but i saw him playing some good games recently. he will get an update, as my whole list will in about 1 hour
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New List released.
Next one will be influenced by most likely by MLG, but also by EPS germany and weekly cups
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darkforce is near the *** mark atm, we will see how he does the next 2 weeks.
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Hm... Shouldn't Nerchio be up there with Morrow/Dimaga? Same for Happy with Kas/Strelok.
It seems like everytime i watch some "random" Tournament these guys are in the final 4 or/and take it home.
And Nerchio destroyed Morrow 4:0 in a final for 2000 Euros this week?
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Yes I agree Darkforce deserves a move up, Ret should go to the top (6-1 in NASL, beating select, MC, etc), haven't seen Dimaga in anything recently (is he just going to be top until he plays in more tourneys?).
TLO could be represented for every race on this list IMO, he can take games off anybody with any race.
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On June 03 2011 17:27 deathly rat wrote:
Yes I agree Darkforce deserves a move up, Ret should go to the top (6-1 in NASL, beating select, MC, etc), haven't seen Dimaga in anything recently (is he just going to be top until he plays in more tourneys?).
TLO could be represented for every race on this list IMO, he can take games off anybody with any race.
Dimaga lost a final to Happy yesterday (he beat Tefel in the Semis).
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i kinda agree with the list this time, gj :D nerchio **** probably. but thats fine.
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Changes for next week:
DeMusliM lower *** --> upper **
€: will think about that one... first he loses to nonames @mlg, then he pwns kas sjow mana in a row :/
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as time goes by and the game and the scene grow, your list makes more sense; i'll be demanding actionjesuz no more lol
congratulations
still, i'd be happy to see happy 5 stars lol his ladder pwnage is too good
same goes for ret, he just stomped in both nasl and mlg
gj anyways!
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100% decided changes for list of tomorrow:
Ret *** --> ***+
DarKFoRcE **+ --> ***
Socke *** --> ***+
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I think you should swap Dimaga and Nerchio. Dimaga isn't doing very well lately, Nerchio on the other hand is on a roll.
Also Sase is probably a bit underrated and White-Ra overated, but it's really really hard to tell since I think the four toss under Naniwa are very close together.
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Stephano is really underrated on your list :/. He is a nearly unbeatable chap in the go4sc2 tourneys. Everything else seems to be nicely sorted out.
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UPDATED
My impression before NASL Playoffs, Dreamhack and Homestorycup 3.
Lets see how it changes afterwards!
On June 16 2011 06:17 W.O.L.F.Y. wrote:
Stephano is really underrated on your list :/. He is a nearly unbeatable chap in the go4sc2 tourneys. Everything else seems to be nicely sorted out.
2 things about him: 1) his ZvP is not up there yet | 2) no major tour yet, almost exclusively go4sc2.
hes very talented though
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Decent list man. Nothing stands out as wrong to me tbh.
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In my opinion, based on my personal opinions of how good Europe's pros currently are and partially based on how I've seen them in tourneys.
****
Nerchio
Happy
ThorZaIN
NaNiwa
WhiteRa
***
Ret
MorroW
Kas
HasuObs
HuK
**
Darkforce
Lalush
Demuslim
TLO
Jinro
Sjow
MaNa
Nightend
*
Ciara
HayprO
Jimpo
Goody
Grubby
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Germany442 Posts
Only tendencies:
Up:
Tarson
Stephano
Lowely
MaNa
Grubby
Down:
Kas
Jinro
Dimaga
DeMusliM
Delphi
insolence
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just a reminder - the list was done before dreamhack and HSC.
New list coming in about 8 hours.
@ClBull:
no, simply no.
@PhiltheFisH:
Comes near to my changes, some are different though.
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strelok + happy too high. TLO probably shouldn't be in right now. if he needs to be inside then he is too high. goody should be one higher.
and nerchio > morrow. no doubts.
other than that it looks good.
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next list in some days, thinking about general changes... its so hard to make a ranking atm, especially at terrans
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This is probably the first time I almost generally agree with the ranking. 
The part I personally still don't agree with is anyone without major LAN appearance or success being in the top level. Nani, White-Ra, Morrow and Thorzain should be alone up there imo.
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i didnt update it, its the list from 14 days ago
€: Finally updated with new design, maybe i have to work on it :/
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On July 15 2011 02:02 DiaBoLuS wrote:i didnt update it, its the list from 14 days ago €: Finally updated with new design, maybe i have to work on it :/
oh wat... somehow i got trolled then. i was sure that it was different. the new one looks really good though!
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Changes on next list so far:
BeastyQt ** --> ***
ClouD --> deleted cause of temporary inactivity
biGs --> *
Osho --> *
prolly GoOdy/Tarson 1 up
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France266 Posts
On July 18 2011 22:28 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Changes on next list so far:
BeastyQt ** --> ***
ClouD --> deleted cause of temporary inactivity
biGs --> *
prolly GoOdy 1 up
Hi, even though I think your rankings is quite representative of the EU scene, some things suprise me :
I'm suprised that you don't consider Elfi to be at least *, more probably **. He's doing very good in weekly events, and is IMO way better than Grubby at the moment.
I'm also suprised that SarenS is not at least *. Even though he doesn't compete in European events anymore, he is still far ahead the best french terran, always performing well in offline event such as ESL Pro Series.
Be careful, in Beastyqt propercaps, the Q is lowercase cf. TLPD
GG anyway for your work
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New ranking will be released after MLG Anaheim.
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actually stephano is stronger than many ppl you place ahead and why no zerg 6stars ? just look at stephano tlpd history... he owns. (like on a 54-8 series
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Since its impossible to divide groups like
Stephano, Nerchio, MorroW, Ret, Dimaga
White-Ra, SaSe, HasuObs, Socke, MaNa
Happy, Jinro, ClouD, DeMusliM, Tarson, BeastyQt, DieStar, TLO, GoOdy, ...
i give up on that list.
maybe someday when everything clears up a bit ill keep going on.
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I think morrow is not on that group for 1 reason : he makes WAY TOO MUCH drones ! WTF is he doing with 100 drones vs a toss, he makes 25 drones for every bases he takes instead of switching. He mb got great mechanics etc... but at this level you can't do this all the time, and now ppl know how he plays. If he works on it he can be beasty, but at the moment stephano, nerchio, ret are slightly better i think.
And i think you can't release this ranking without thinking on the different mu of the players, we know morrow is not that good in ZvZ, and instead of working on this like the other zergs did, (Stephano worked verry hard on it, dimaga too) he choosed to play terran vs zerg.
That's why he doesn't deserve to be with the other zerg in my opinion.
with the recents tourney thats:
Ret
Dimaga
Stephano
Nerchio
Morrow
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Sooo if Ret isn't 6 star in the next ranking, I declare it invalid.
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My list is back - hopefully better than ever before
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New list looks good imho, not too sure about Kas though... I see him rather as lvl 3 or 3.5 maybe :p
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pretty good ranking imo, just think Beastyqt should be higher but thats about it, very much agree regarding the Top, perhaps Thorzain a little bit to high but hes damn good so I guess its ok ;P
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Thanks for doing this! It's a great overview and it's well thought out.
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thanks a lot dudes.
@ Rotti:
Well, BeastyQt is like top 16 online, but offline, all he has been to was gamescom and he was decent, not more. prolly he deserves to be 1 stage higher, i agree. But i feel like he needs his real "brakethorugh" to legimidetly (is that acutally a word?^^) do that.
about slivko: hes on my "level 0" list right now, just like players as Bly, Vortix, Kalin, Tefel, Naama, biGs, Osho, jimpo, PredY (i give him a nick: The "inactive shadow goody terran") and about 15 more... but i dont see him making his Level 1 access so far. And i follow 80% of the shows.
I feel like his ZvP is superior of his other matchups as well :O
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Next list will be released after Dreamhack Valencia.
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I think this one is verry good, maybe Thorzain is a little bit overrated... I'd place tarson, goody, hasuobs, nerchio and Lalush above and beastyqt instead of cloud (who did nothing since months) But the overrall is verry representative, congratz you a boss !
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New List out, some movements here and there.
HF!
On September 13 2011 22:48 AIOL! wrote:
I think this one is verry good, maybe Thorzain is a little bit overrated... I'd place tarson, goody, hasuobs, nerchio and Lalush above and beastyqt instead of cloud (who did nothing since months) But the overrall is verry representative, congratz you a boss !
Well - i think ThorZaiN has just completly destroyed your argument about him
ClouD didnt show anything since months cause he didnt play for months (broken arm), but just started to show good results. BeastyQt just got upped, the rest is arguable though^^
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Jinro and Lucifron on the same tier - no. Just no.
The rest of it seems perfect to me.
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Seems pretty OK, but a few things here and there:
Dunno about Kas, but I don't follow him at all (it's kinda hard tbh :D) so maybe he belongs up there.
I feel like Nerchio and Ret should be at the same level, yes, Ret has better offline results, but actually, I think Nerchio's skill level is slightly higher. Only my personal opinion though.
Last thing - protosses. I was watching a lot of SaSes and White-Ras streams and tbh, SaSe is just plain better than White-Ra. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fanboy of both, but man, SaSe will tear it up in Korea eventually. Just watch code A next week ^^
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ye, i feel the same way about their skill, but white-ra showed pretty good results lately, while we dont see anything of SaSe.
Nerchio... hes good and he was in the first group of people last time, but i feel hes in a bit of a slump lately. dno if its true, maybe he prooves us wrong in some cups.
Kas won the ukraine WCG (offline!) and rips almost everything apart online. hes obviously not top 3 or so, but he belongs where he is i feel.
@ Talin: Jinro just won against SjoW and 2-0d socke, it feels like he regenerates a bit again. Lucifron is good when he is active, but he studies and therefore has like 6 weeks in a year where he rapes everyone. Hard to judge Lucifron therefore
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I wouldn't say he's ever had a period where he raped everyone in any premier / high level tournaments, and there's a bunch of big tournament players on level 2 (Tarson, Jinro, TLO, even Goody kinda).
But I just realized he was a level higher on the last list actually o_o. So I guess a 1 tier drop is okay.
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I don't think ret deserves to be level 4 yet.
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On September 18 2011 07:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't think ret deserves to be level 4 yet.
Kinda hard to make that argument after him winning the most stacked EU tournament this year through Thorzain and Naniwa. He's also won another big tournament this year (Assembly), I mean he may be a very up-and-down player, but when you average it out he's probably the most successful EU Zerg at the moment with Dimaga.
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I'm a hard fan of Stephano but i don't think he has enough achievement to be top2 O_o, ok he won Alicia, puzzle, mma, Revival and Marineking (or MVP i don't remind) but the guys where at 6am with massive lag... (and he just lost to mana 2-0 again in msi cup).
If we where based only on the online ladder maximum level of play, we could even put him top1 but atm the guy won any major lan competition.
Also elfi performed really really well recently, (i even wonder if he stream hack or smth since he gots really comon stats on ladder). And mb a little up for Nerchio
That's it, as usual i really like the overral, especially the protosses, you do a great job continue ! thx
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I see this very accurate,
Mana hwaiting!
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Latest list: 17.09.2011
New list: After IEM China, IEM New York, MLG Orlando, IPL 3 Finals
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Very nice ranking!
If I had to make a comment, i'd say that Elfi in is top shape for quite some time and deserve to be 1 or 2 tier higher..
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Looks like TL banned poor DiaBoLuS. He can still come back and edit this entry right?
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Hey, DiaBoLuS here under another account. I know that its not allowed to register a 2nd time, but it doesnt matter anyway now, since i got
PERMABANNED for a FACEPALM PIC, since it was my 3rd ban in 1 year. (hi @ admins... you guys, ...)
Unfortionally, i wont be able to update this post ever again.
Thank you for the comments in this thread over the past few months.
gl!
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I hope you start a new thread to update this ranking And it would be great to remake the "best foreigner poll".
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