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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
I wish TeamLiquid the best of luck in this. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule18967 Posts
On July 17 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: Finally it's out. Yeah we had some technical difficulties during the initial launch so we had to delay a bit  But we're running now! | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:22 Marou wrote: That's an interesting idea, i'd like to contribute to it but i hate the fact hat i have to recommend some products on Amazon to be featured on a know-how. Why not just completely disregard profit ? By making it a for-profit initiative you really make it look like super blogs that sells stuff on TL (nice way to get some quality copywriting done i guess). It's a very valid point and one that was hotly debated on for some time within TL as it was felt that some people wouldn't contribute specific for that reason. I personally stuck to my guns on this point for a few reasons. 1. This section isn't about being featured as something special per say, it's in the blog section below featured bloggers and actually featured bloggers was part of the roll out of this section as well (that came out first) as we wanted to expand the blog section in general. So people just want to blog about something they feel passionate about, then this area isn't a replacement for that. 2. Why it's the knowhow section is that we don't want this section to be just a FAQ section, so the reference to a book or product was key part of it, not just for revenue, but as the main source of the knowledge for discussion on the actual knowhow. So we hope that as TLers read through or use the product/item that they can also share their comments, questions based on that specifically so it would focus the discussions as well (hopefully making the discussion active rather than just again, FAQs) 3. I'd like to think it is both, a for profit and for community initiative, I don't think for profit automatically cancels that out, because sincerely we wanted to set something up that wasn't invasive and gave back much more than what it was asking. And I think that will be apparent in the quality of the posts because we couldn't really pay an expert their market rate to write these posts, ultimately is a volunteer community contribution and part of the objective is yes, financial, but also contributing a really unique resource to our community. The content itself isn't restricted or based on having to buy the book or product, I mean people can go to the library or buy it second hand and personally all the books I've thus far recommended are older books. In terms of initial image, I agree, it does look like its some super blog that is selling stuff, but I hope that the actual return to the community is far more than what it's initial image may be, that for some TLers it can really contribute to their understanding and even future endevours. But I also won't shy from that if TL can get financial benefit from it, then I'm really pleased with that as well. I sincerely believe that TL is a great organization that will be investing in for the development in esports, and that requires funding, and while any act of commercialization can be seen as corrupting, I'd like to think that we're doing it in a responsible fair and appropriate manner which is true to the spirit of the community as well as contributing to TL in a meaningful way. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18967 Posts
On July 17 2012 03:19 Trezeguet wrote: I don't want to sound all nostalgic, but there was a time where a blog was a blog, and people read other people's blogs. There is just so much shit on TL that someone who just shows up to the site is bombarded with links and BS. TL offers all sorts of outlets of different information, but some of the stuff is so far down now it is like an afterthought. Knowhow seems like an alright initiative, but it's part on a movement on TL to add add add. One of the reasons the site is big is because new people are finding the site, and finding a reason to revisit. Why not have TL more like a magazine/newspaper and just have a Page 2 (big link somewhere). Page 1 could be all the starcraft bits, and the general bit, and page 2 could be tech support, sports and games, blogs, all the broodwar stuff (tear), and whatever else. This wouldn't necessarily saying that some content is less important, but there are 100s of links when I open TL, and I always feel like Charlie Murphy in that blog I'm too lazy to find. Heck, there is so much content on TL, that it is unlikely that most people will read this post since it is "buried" on page 3. This is all rambly and bad, but I"m to lazy to read through it again, (6/10 post quality, bey would ban). Those are some interesting suggestions, but they belong in Website Feedback. KnowHow is something we are trying out. The first three articles are all about startups, which is what TLKH is. If it doesn't work out, that's too bad, but at least we'll have tried. If it does work than the community has only gained something awesome. | ||
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
i'm really curious how this will work out. | ||
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:26 jnd wrote: Yeah, I'm not quite sure where this is going. It really seems to be limiting if you have to recommend some product which is currently on sale. I'll say this, it is really a project in progress and I hope it will be defined really by the quality and focus of the posts we make more than the concept of it. I think the concept will evolve and develop and hopefully we'll get the fit right, meaning the fit that matches with TL. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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chambertin
United States1704 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:26 GaiusBaltar wrote: I don't really want to see that happening. There is nothing wrong with diversifying, up to a point, but in the end if you try to do everything you end up don't doing anything very well. I guess, but even if it was sectioned out properly? With sub headings you still wouldnt want there to be key threads and views written daily/weekly like the SC2 ones? No on the homepage of course, but if you dig into TL you will find anything you looking for, whether its the NBA results or the World cup result. New games etcetc list is endless. I'd like to see that, but of course i wouldnt want it instead of the SC2 on the frontpage, because that is our bread and butter. | ||
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cmcnutt34
United States43 Posts
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A2340
Canada106 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 17 2012 03:44 WahMyNose wrote: I'm glad that TL's being forward and open about their goals for this section. I read the first part of MightyAtom's series, and most of the post honestly seemed like an advertisement for that book (I'm not expecting for each concept in the book to be laid out in that post, but the book got pushed pretty hard). But I'm not going to judge the section yet; I'll give it time. Thanks for giving me a chance and the benefit of the doubt; I hope I'll get into some real balance as soon as I can, but the first post was really the hardest one to get done. Cheers. | ||
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
As such, how much PR would I need to do for the book I'm trying to force down the throat of my readers? MightyAtom went the route of "if you have not read this book we can't discuss business and you should have nothing to do with business, this book is the sole source of good information and amount to about 15 years of experience". I would not want to write something like that since it's obviously a lie. Could I write an article about field X and then just add a link to a "if you are interested, here's some further reading" book? | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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wireninja
Australia46 Posts
There are no reasons to write for TL when you could go to other blog network sites that pay CPM rates like Squidoo, Demand Media, etc. TL ... you should be paying writers on either a CPM basis or a per article basis! Otherwise, your just ripping off the writers. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18967 Posts
Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand how the system works: writers don't get paid to write the article, editors don't get paid to edit the article, and TL doesn't get paid when people read the article. TL gets a small amount if someone buys whatever the article is referencing, and that money goes into funding the team and websites. This isn't a section designed to create profit for writers or editors, it's a section designed to be another revenue stream for TL while at the same time giving something awesome back to our members. | ||
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