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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
 )I understand this is experimental and still extremely early in development. Obviously have a potential monetary upside to TL is nothing, but good and establishing those kinds of deals and systems takes time. I look forward to the day when the successful TLKnowHow team and Liquidpedia team get into gang-like turf wars across the website. | ||
MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:32 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Thanks for the solid replys and I see where you are coming from with the comparison from Harry Potter. Speaking as a current university student, I guess the idea of books or at least textbooks has jaded me. Often overpriced and relatively outdated. Professors often say that even though it may be old the basic concepts are there, which is exactly counter to the emphasis on the subtle details you described. For me and engineering, I sometimes like to try and find a video demonstration of a principle or concept, or even similar lectures by different professors whereby comparing their differences seems to highlight the subtle details from the core concepts. Again this is only a personal opinion of mine and I definitely understand the overall goal is a more practical and worldy sort of tool to help apply the abstract concepts floating around. (Hope I'm not mistaken on this. )I understand this is experimental and still extremely early in development. Obviously have a potential monetary upside to TL is nothing, but good and establishing those kinds of deals and systems takes time. I look forward to the day when the successful TLKnowHow team and Liquidpedia team get into gang-like turf wars across the website. haha, i hope so, but yeah, you got the idea of knowhow bang on, but it is very much a work in progress and testing the waters out. But we have a good number of contributors now who are banging away, so lets see what the final formats are like. I mean, we'll do what we can to make this work. ^^ | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On July 17 2012 17:24 MightyAtom wrote: I don't have all the answers at this point, but of course, everyone in TL staff knew that anything commercial would be controversial to some degree, but yes, its not that I disagree with fundamentally anything you've said about number of articles, and quality in terms of the context of the sub forum as a whole, but I have a specific objective here and I am testing things out with this project. Ok, I am fine with this. I think I just wanted you to admit publicly that you sacrifice quality of the knowhow section for money. As a user, I am of course not happy about quality being compromised for money, but if that is the direction you, and TL, want to go, I have no means to stop you. I'm happy we reached an end to the discussion, thanks for the patience. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:46 Cascade wrote: Ok, I am fine with this. I think I just wanted you to admit publicly that you sacrifice quality of the knowhow section for money. As a user, I am of course not happy about quality being compromised for money, but if that is the direction you, and TL, want to go, I have no means to stop you. I'm happy we reached an end to the discussion, thanks for the patience. I think it's a bit harsh to say that quality is being sacrificed about something which might not even have been possible unless there was the potential for monetary revenue. While i agree that the section might have more potential without this "book rule" remember this is an experiment, for all we know the need for a written source could prove to, in most fields, srve as a filter only letting the properly good articles through, or it could not. It could drive anyway a whole bunch of amazing articles which could otherwise have been written for this section or it could not. The way i see this is as an experiment, and if it turns out that a noticeable amount quality is indeed being sacrificed then i have all faith that the tl staff will notice this and bend the rules, but as mightyatom says, anything which doesn't have book sources can just be posted where it would otherwise have been posted, so noone loses anything. Just because teamliquid's vision of a small section of articles on various subjects with links to books for further reading (and mabye a little profit) if it interests you doesn't line up with your vision of a section where helpful articles on all topics can be found doesn't mean that liquid's is worse, it's just a different kind of thing they are creating. For the record i agree with you on the book rule, (which i find a bit arbitrary) but I fail to see what making mightyatom say "i admit i'm selling out quality for money" will possibly achieve. This is an experiment, so i see nothing wrong with liquid experimenting with a new form of advertising as well, it will either work or it won't, so lets just wait and see Edit: i'm not trying to restart the entire discussion, just expressing my views and as they are similar to yours, i decided just to highlight yours and then explain my differences. Not trying to restart the entire argument again. | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
Edit: I'm having quite a hard time understanding why the book recommendation thing is causing such a fit but it's probably my misunderstanding. I thought some guy with a lot of knowledge writes it down and attaches a referral link to a book on amazon that might help someone else out. What's the deal with that? It's not like the writer is forced to write a document completely in line with a book, or that the books are sponsoring TL, it's just an extra thing on the side. Is something wrong with writing about a topic, attaching a link at the end and say "here's something I read when I was starting out, it's not the best and a combination of online sites might do better but I liked how the chapters were well presented"? The option is there. Isn't that all that matters? I think it's a bit uncommon for an expert in a field to have never read a book on the subject. Not impossible, but I think there are more people who do than don't. | ||
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BookTwo
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
What I mean is: to my mind expert know-how usually is the further reading. For instance, I could have a go writing an article about some aspect of programming or designing games. I could also link to any number of books on the subject. If my article is worth reading, it's because it covers something not in the references. If it's not in the references then it's either because I disagree with them or I'm dealing with some nuance they don't cover and assuming a base level of knowledge. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it seems reasonable to suppose that click-through is going to be reduced the higher-level the article is pitched, which makes the stated intent of the sub-forum ... to minimise click-through? Like I said, maybe I'm failing to appreciate something obvious. | ||
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Arabidopsis
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:46 Cascade wrote: Ok, I am fine with this. I think I just wanted you to admit publicly that you sacrifice quality of the knowhow section for money. As a user, I am of course not happy about quality being compromised for money, but if that is the direction you, and TL, want to go, I have no means to stop you. I'm happy we reached an end to the discussion, thanks for the patience. The ability to post know-how without a link, already exists. And why should he admit something that is not true? How does posting the link sacrifice quality? You do not have to change anything, because you are posting a link that fits what you write, not the other way around. If someone wanted to share knowledge bad enough, there is always the TL man-power section, and they can just write a blog as they do now (of which many already do). If people haven't already written an article for free its not gonna make a difference whether or not the link is optional. There is no point having another section without the [link] requirement, simply because that would just add another layer of redundancy, people already have the opportunity to post know-how without a link if they want to. The point of the section is to make money. If that didn't exist, then we may as well not have this section, because we have blogs. At least you come into this section knowing for sure there is a monetary vested interest. If the link were optional, people would be scrolling to the end first to see if there is a link or not. This section really is relying on the kindness of strangers to volunteer and help TL grow. IMO On July 18 2012 21:35 Umpteen wrote: I confess that I too am struggling to reconcile 'know-how' as described in the OP with the commercial intent of the section. Although that could be just me What I mean is: to my mind expert know-how usually is the further reading. For instance, I could have a go writing an article about some aspect of programming or designing games. I could also link to any number of books on the subject. If my article is worth reading, it's because it covers something not in the references. If it's not in the references then it's either because I disagree with them or I'm dealing with some nuance they don't cover and assuming a base level of knowledge. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it seems reasonable to suppose that click-through is going to be reduced the higher-level the article is pitched, which makes the stated intent of the sub-forum ... to minimise click-through? Like I said, maybe I'm failing to appreciate something obvious. You couldn't put a books worth of info on a website page tho. So the book is always going to be further reading. | ||
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Cozopt
United States17 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 20 2012 12:00 Najda wrote: If I buy a used book through the amazon link, does TL still get a comission? There's no way I'd pay a $15 pricetag for a book directly through amazon when they have it listed for $4 in their used section. Yes TL will still get a commission and regardless of how much, the fact that we get any commission at all, is just really great for the section. That being said, even just getting the book from the library or borrowing it and participating in the thread will go a long way to really making this a great long term resource for TL as a whole. | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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kommunalka
United States550 Posts
Having a good collection of guides/ tips/ and tricks for nerds by nerds is something that really interests me | ||
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LeSioN
United States325 Posts
On July 21 2012 00:24 kommunalka wrote: This is a great idea.... Trying to think of how i could possibly contribute..... Having a good collection of guides/ tips/ and tricks for nerds by nerds is something that really interests me I hope your right. From my understanding there will be no guides, tips, or tricks. just a blog telling you to buy a book. hopefully Im proven wrong. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19269 Posts
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-Switch-
Canada506 Posts
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Starparty
Sweden1963 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
I don't get it. | ||
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