EPTTrolol I read it like I was someone from Game Of Thrones.
".. be headed by [the] MightyAtom" - awesome :D
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
Trolol I read it like I was someone from Game Of Thrones. ".. be headed by [the] MightyAtom" - awesome :D | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:01 Stenstyren wrote: It's great for TL to make some money but I'm a bit worried. If I'm going to be writing an article about something I would not base it upon one book exclusively. As such, how much PR would I need to do for the book I'm trying to force down the throat of my readers? MightyAtom went the route of "if you have not read this book we can't discuss business and you should have nothing to do with business, this book is the sole source of good information and amount to about 15 years of experience". I would not want to write something like that since it's obviously a lie. Could I write an article about field X and then just add a link to a "if you are interested, here's some further reading" book? Short answer, kinda yes. Basically if you talk about one thing and still link to further reading, mechanically it's the same thing except that you're not 'pushing a book down someone's throat' so you don't need to play the role of the sales PR guy. You guys have to give me the benefit of the doubt here than the point of the book isn't simply for sales or to force it down people's throats, sincerely, I have these books, I re-read these books, I buy these books for my staff, etc. And it is the thing that, the book is used as a type of anchor/reference point and the main source of content for the reader of the post, while the contributor is able to provide their knowhow along that backdrop. You can base it on many books, or focus your knowhow that touches upon one book, but like I said, it was a hotly debated condition that I did stick to because I did want the focus to be there on a number of levels. Mainly, what you can write in a single post will always be limited in depth compared to the books that are out there and specially the books that have influenced your own thinking or ones that if you had the time you would write like that. Besides you taking my position out of context and exaggerating to make your own point, if people are going to participate in that particular thread, then, yes, we do want them to read it. We aren't looking to just make FAQ threads, but again, to make the entire thread something which has great discussion; in a very simple view of it, the posts with books in them, end up being a kind of book club. Of course I am going to put forward a book, not because I want it bought, but because I sincerely do like and recommend the book because it is a solid contribution to the knowhow presented, and again, I'll be forth right about the format here, it is for both community content contribution and I hope some financial contribution to TL, so lets not get all 'MightyAtom = Evil Satanic Salesman of lies' here. What I'd say is: Could you write an article about field X and also share a book that is part of your experience to understand the knowhow that you've presented, even if the book is just a book that inspired you to take on the chosen field you've taken on and talk about that point to. If you could think about how the book can be integrated as a content reference to your knowhow, then I don't see how is a bad thing except that some people don't want to look as though they are 'selling' because I know, selling looks like it is cheapening what is given or presented. If people are not comfortable with that, then of course its fine, but for me, part of me contributing like this is for both TL financially and TL as a community on the knowhow side. So this section address that that in this format of the knowhow posts. Of course outside of the knowhow section, we share in this community how we see fit as I have shared a lot of my own knowledge and experience in my own blog section here and answered countless pms on career advice etc, so I'm just saying, this section has a specific purpose and give it a chance as well as the benefit of the doubt and lets see what comes out. Thanks. | ||
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
1. I really do live in South Korea, so it's 4:48 am and I wanted to stay up for the launch. 2. I really did have a 5 hour surgery last week, so I am a bit weak still, so I am going to pass out from being dizzy, but before I actually do pass out, I'd rather do it on my bed than here at my desk. So. Thanks for all the PMs so far, we have some really awesome contributions already in the works, I will get to all new PMs by tomorrow, as I am unable to keep my eyes open at this point due to my dizziness. In terms of defending the concept, guys, it will be a work in progress, but if the writing contributed and the dedication to the threads are good, I think things will eventually work themselves out. But I do love TL and this community and a lot of time has been put in to setting it up and many of the issues that have been stated in this thread are valid and have been brought up by TL staff and some are feeling exactly like some of you, but again, the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. So, we're committed to make it work in one way or another. Good night and Cheers. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
 .I guess good luck to those who do so. e: that is, essentially using my employment / role to make money for TL | ||
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
This has barely started, but it already is another example why TeamLiquid is one of the premier organizations and communities around the internet - the level of professionalism in everything that it offers and does. So sick | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19030 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:11 Insane wrote: We want people to write about things they believe in. If you use something at work which is sold on Amazon, and you think it's great, write about it. We don't want people pushing stuff just because.So it sounds like there's no way to just write articles without the for-profit/tied into a specific referral thing? I'd be interested in writing some things, but I don't feel good from the legal perspective of my own job about writing something in those conditions .I guess good luck to those who do so. e: that is, essentially using my employment / role to make money for TL | ||
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Seph02
Netherlands221 Posts
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
Like I have for instance started a PhD in bacteria metacommunity research and I could write about assembly processes, bacteria communities or ecology in general which few here know about (unless you are a bit odd ^^). I am far from certain that people would want to read it however. I could probably link you to wikipedia pages about most of the stuff which often are well written already. I guess if you want a summary article from a broad field it could be interesting.. EDIT: Okay I missed the link to product part. Hmm not sure how I feel about that. | ||
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Greem
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:20 tofucake wrote: We want people to write about things they believe in. If you use something at work which is sold on Amazon, and you think it's great, write about it. We don't want people pushing stuff just because. First of all, thanks for responding to my somewhat negatively-toned post. I don't want to give the impression that I don't like TL or that I think it's bad for you guys to try new things, because it's actually great and I'm really proud of where you guys have taken the site over the years. I believe in the value of my work, and I'm passionate about a variety of things that I do outside work which are totally unrelated to my work, but may be interesting to people if they want to get into it. I don't personally really like learning through books - none of the things I do are things I've learned through books, but rather via getting out and doing things, talking to people who do it better than I do, and straight up learning from mistakes. Basically to me it sounds like TL BookReview. Admittedly, the articles are long and detailed book recommendations, as opposed to what you'd see on a normal Amazon review. But ultimately, that's what it's boiling down to. I love what you guys have written in the spoiler + Show Spoiler [What Is KnowHow] + "Know-how (or knowhow as it is sometimes written) is practical knowledge of how to get something done, as opposed to “know-what” (facts), “know-why” (science), or “know-who” (networking). Know-how is often tacit knowledge, which means that it is difficult to transfer to another person by means of writing it down or verbalising it. The opposite of tacit knowledge is explicit knowledge. (Wikipedia)." Knowhow is after the theories and strategies, it is the knowledge of how to survive to get to your goal, or to outperform others to make it or simply how to get to a level of practical understanding faster. The term 'knowhow' refers to knowledge which is critical and insightful but which is developed internally and not publicly known or taught in a systematic process. Knowhow is usually applied to industrial processes, making the same machine or process produce 'more' than the same machine/process in the hands of another operator, whether it be the right room tempurature or the exact type of oil that adds 0.5% better performance. But in the broader context, social or career based knowhow is one of the last types of knowledge that is passed on through directly sharing experiences. By its nature, knowhow is about results and getting to the results with less effort, more output or faster, it is about increasing your performance and it isn't something you can just pick up from a manual, but is something passed on through training or articulated by using someone's experience as a base. This is very different than a theory or opinion because it's value is based off a process that is validated because of its results. An example of this is if you were raised in an engineering family, meaning both your parents are engineers or a doctor's family or restaurantuer's family. Whether you realize it or not, things that you take as 'givens' such as a more analytic approach to life, or understanding basic human biology and what certain types of medication do, or what are the different standards of customer service are, this is all knowhow that unless someone was raised in the same family or did the same job, they would have no access to though common resources of knowledge. Knowhow is both simply passed on, but is also guarded fiercely as it may be the only competitive factor that a company or individual has when all things are equal. Thus, the effectiveness of knowhow is mainly to it's very specific nature to a process or task. It may be as simple as a single function command, but used properly can save hours of work and may be completely obvious after the fact, but the amount of experience to have come to such an obvious outcome may have been hours upon hours of trial and error. But the fact that it is obvious and effective makes it true knowhow. Due to the nature of when and how knowhow is 'passed on', the only reason to share knowhow is because they are family or work in the same company and are aligned with the same goals/objectives However, I don't feel that the rest of the post afterwards is in line with the above section. Even taking a look at the list of five things you need to provide, it seems very heavily biased towards the product recommendation, without even caring about the article:
It's totally cool to ensure that there's centralized tracking so five people don't each write an article about how to get gear/into hiking, for example. That said, you want to know the recommendations we're going to make before we've even written the article? That seems just backwards to me; who cares what recommendations someone's going to make? It should be about the quality of the article, and if the article has no recommendations of products to buy online but is well-written and informative, then that's as much KnowHow as anything else. Basically, I'd rather see a focus on informing the audience (TL users), and if someone happens to have a recommendation for something then cool, maybe TL can get a little extra cash; if not though, it's still going to be a useful document repository by people with some domain knowledge, with the added bonus that the people in question are actually approachable & can answer questions to help users, as opposed to more isolated / uninteractive sources (books, a lot of sites) | ||
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Deleted User 124618
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:40 Greentellon wrote: Is there a menu link to that knowhow page somewhere? It seems to be a forum somewhere but I can't find it. Only link I can find is in this thread. In "Customize Sidebar", if you have Blogs enabled it'll show up on the left pane. I don't see a link elsewhere. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
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On July 17 2012 05:43 Insane wrote: In "Customize Sidebar", if you have Blogs enabled it'll show up on the left pane. I don't see a link elsewhere. Thanks, it seems I'm half blind. Also saw the instructions in first post, now >.< | ||
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