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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 13 2016 04:55 GMT
#56621
Treatises are usually better when they don't involve responses to some post someone else made (unless they specifically asked for it). Take it from someone who knows.

Medium-length posts are usually alright.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 13 2016 05:14 GMT
#56622
On November 13 2016 13:51 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2016 17:06 Heartland wrote:
On November 11 2016 12:33 Cascade wrote:
On November 11 2016 03:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
nothing worse than writing out a long argument addressing the various points and then have someone respond with one line trash. well deserved ban.

Don't know about this case, but there are plenty of walls of text on TL that just doesn't make sense. Many words just means that someone spent time on it, not that the content of the post is complex. I think some walls of text can be perfectly well addressed by a sentence or two.


Yeah, TL has been infested with this idea that if you write longer it's better. Particularly if you write it in a pseudo-academic style. I guess it's better than people just posting memes but I don't know how many threads I've opened, seen a wall of text, skimmed it and realized that it's just a bunch of fancy words without any deeper meaning.

Seems as I am/ have been one of those arguing for better/longer posting... I don't actually mean I want to regularly see giant walls of text, which I will admit to skimming as well if I don't feel like it would be worth the effort. But there is a happy medium between personal quips/ aggressive and dismissive one-liners and the treatises/essays. Ideally, long enough to give some nuance and evidence to your thoughts, but succinct enough that it is not regularly a chore to read your posts.

Sure, some points made on TL require a paragraph to formulate, a few even need a couple of paragraphs. But you have to agree that many points don't need more than a sentence or at most two, more would be fluff. Shitty one-liners aren't shitty because they are one-liners, they are shitty because of the underlying point. We should be happy that they are not shitty paragraphs. I see it as respecting the time of your reader, by putting some effort into boiling down your post to the essentials. It's lazy to just randomly spew out words and then hit post as some seem to do.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 13 2016 11:03 GMT
#56623
I can think of a few posters who essentially write impressive blocks of text at first glance, but upon reading it, you discover it is empty and of no value. They are just basically another version of shitty one liners, with the added caveat that it daunt the more impressional readers.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24590 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 11:27:40
November 13 2016 11:27 GMT
#56624
On November 13 2016 20:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I can think of a few posters who essentially write impressive blocks of text at first glance, but upon reading it, you discover it is empty and of no value. They are just basically another version of shitty one liners, with the added caveat that it daunt the more impressional readers.


I think it's helpful that they put that little pen symbol next to their names so you know who they are.

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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 13 2016 15:01 GMT
#56625
I simply skip any post with more than 6 lines. They are usually not worth reading and the seldom few which are will be pointed out by other readers in the following replies.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
November 13 2016 16:40 GMT
#56626
On November 14 2016 00:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
I simply skip any post with more than 6 lines. They are usually not worth reading and the seldom few which are will be pointed out by other readers in the following replies.

Lol, i feel like many on TL abhor this mindset
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24718 Posts
November 13 2016 17:43 GMT
#56627
On November 14 2016 01:40 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 00:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
I simply skip any post with more than 6 lines. They are usually not worth reading and the seldom few which are will be pointed out by other readers in the following replies.

Lol, i feel like many on TL abhor this mindset

Indeed. In fact, people often get warned (or in the most extreme case, temp banned) for failing to read a recent reply before making their own post. Maintaining a fruitful discussion via forum thread is challenging even when everyone posts concise (but not terse) thoughts, reads all previous replies before posting (or at least, the past few pages if it's a fast-moving thread), and stays away from the most controversial topics (e.g., religion, gun rights). TL veterans have often said they prefer having discussions on TL instead of other online discussion forums because of the expectation that people will actually read what is being discussed carefully prior to posting and avoid simply throwing their own ideas over the wall without a second thought. Of course, this isn't always what actually happens, but it is a very good goal.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 13 2016 20:47 GMT
#56628
On November 14 2016 00:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
I simply skip any post with more than 6 lines. They are usually not worth reading and the seldom few which are will be pointed out by other readers in the following replies.

I wouldn't personally recommend that since there are some good posts longer than 6 lines, however, I've also seen some posts that are almost a page long that could be summarized in a single paragraph. They look deep but once you read them, you realize that the discussed topic is quite straight forward. Would be nice if posters always focused on being concise in their posts. After all, quality > quantity in these discussions.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11367 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 22:02:42
November 13 2016 21:56 GMT
#56629
On November 13 2016 14:14 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 13:51 Falling wrote:
On November 11 2016 17:06 Heartland wrote:
On November 11 2016 12:33 Cascade wrote:
On November 11 2016 03:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
nothing worse than writing out a long argument addressing the various points and then have someone respond with one line trash. well deserved ban.

Don't know about this case, but there are plenty of walls of text on TL that just doesn't make sense. Many words just means that someone spent time on it, not that the content of the post is complex. I think some walls of text can be perfectly well addressed by a sentence or two.


Yeah, TL has been infested with this idea that if you write longer it's better. Particularly if you write it in a pseudo-academic style. I guess it's better than people just posting memes but I don't know how many threads I've opened, seen a wall of text, skimmed it and realized that it's just a bunch of fancy words without any deeper meaning.

Seems as I am/ have been one of those arguing for better/longer posting... I don't actually mean I want to regularly see giant walls of text, which I will admit to skimming as well if I don't feel like it would be worth the effort. But there is a happy medium between personal quips/ aggressive and dismissive one-liners and the treatises/essays. Ideally, long enough to give some nuance and evidence to your thoughts, but succinct enough that it is not regularly a chore to read your posts.

Sure, some points made on TL require a paragraph to formulate, a few even need a couple of paragraphs. But you have to agree that many points don't need more than a sentence or at most two, more would be fluff. Shitty one-liners aren't shitty because they are one-liners, they are shitty because of the underlying point. We should be happy that they are not shitty paragraphs. I see it as respecting the time of your reader, by putting some effort into boiling down your post to the essentials. It's lazy to just randomly spew out words and then hit post as some seem to do.

Oh, I'm not looking for people to stretch out their crappy posts. More of the same, only longer is not the goal. Redundancy is something I try and get rid of as students are all too 'good' at writing many words about nothing at all. But I do want people to spend a little more time thinking about what they are posting, rather than throwing out dismissive one-liners. To me our current back and forth is pretty ideal. We have fairly different views and are able to clearly explain our differences in two to five lines. That's not too onerous, and certainly is no treatise to make the eyes glaze over.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 13 2016 22:55 GMT
#56630
On November 14 2016 06:56 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 14:14 Cascade wrote:
On November 13 2016 13:51 Falling wrote:
On November 11 2016 17:06 Heartland wrote:
On November 11 2016 12:33 Cascade wrote:
On November 11 2016 03:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
nothing worse than writing out a long argument addressing the various points and then have someone respond with one line trash. well deserved ban.

Don't know about this case, but there are plenty of walls of text on TL that just doesn't make sense. Many words just means that someone spent time on it, not that the content of the post is complex. I think some walls of text can be perfectly well addressed by a sentence or two.


Yeah, TL has been infested with this idea that if you write longer it's better. Particularly if you write it in a pseudo-academic style. I guess it's better than people just posting memes but I don't know how many threads I've opened, seen a wall of text, skimmed it and realized that it's just a bunch of fancy words without any deeper meaning.

Seems as I am/ have been one of those arguing for better/longer posting... I don't actually mean I want to regularly see giant walls of text, which I will admit to skimming as well if I don't feel like it would be worth the effort. But there is a happy medium between personal quips/ aggressive and dismissive one-liners and the treatises/essays. Ideally, long enough to give some nuance and evidence to your thoughts, but succinct enough that it is not regularly a chore to read your posts.

Sure, some points made on TL require a paragraph to formulate, a few even need a couple of paragraphs. But you have to agree that many points don't need more than a sentence or at most two, more would be fluff. Shitty one-liners aren't shitty because they are one-liners, they are shitty because of the underlying point. We should be happy that they are not shitty paragraphs. I see it as respecting the time of your reader, by putting some effort into boiling down your post to the essentials. It's lazy to just randomly spew out words and then hit post as some seem to do.

Oh, I'm not looking for people to stretch out their crappy posts. More of the same, only longer is not the goal. Redundancy is something I try and get rid of as students are all too 'good' at writing many words about nothing at all. But I do want people to spend a little more time thinking about what they are posting, rather than throwing out dismissive one-liners. To me our current back and forth is pretty ideal. We have fairly different views and are able to clearly explain our differences in two to five lines. That's not too onerous, and certainly is no treatise to make the eyes glaze over.

More thinking before posting would be good, but often the thinking can be summarised in a sentence afterwards.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2016 17:37 GMT
#56631
Salle is such a killjoy, trying to talk reason into the people in the recent Scarlett thread instead of letting them loose and then making the whole thing drown in red. Just one warning so far, very poor showing ...
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 14 2016 18:09 GMT
#56632
Two warnings so far.
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2016 18:18 GMT
#56633
Do all the mods spend their evenings scrolling through TL to rake up enough actions to earn approval of the ABL?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 14 2016 18:23 GMT
#56634
On November 15 2016 03:18 opisska wrote:
Do all the mods spend their evenings scrolling through TL to rake up enough actions to earn approval of the ABL?

Yes, and your approval of their work counts as much as the approval of 4.126 TL peasant-class users.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 14 2016 18:37 GMT
#56635
There's actually internal rankings and statistics but i'm not cool enough to see them
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 14 2016 19:28 GMT
#56636
On November 15 2016 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's actually internal rankings and statistics but i'm not cool enough to see them

Big shock KBB has answered the most reports
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2016 19:29 GMT
#56637
On November 15 2016 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's actually internal rankings and statistics but i'm not cool enough to see them


Well that in itself is a kind of a ranking of your person, isn't it? )
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 14 2016 19:32 GMT
#56638
On November 15 2016 04:28 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's actually internal rankings and statistics but i'm not cool enough to see them

Big shock KBB has answered the most reports

If only you were as good a mod as you are a shitposter you'd be #1 easily
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19144 Posts
November 14 2016 19:33 GMT
#56639
Internal ranking only counts reports, not actions, though.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
November 14 2016 20:34 GMT
#56640
On November 15 2016 04:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 04:28 Shellshock wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's actually internal rankings and statistics but i'm not cool enough to see them

Big shock KBB has answered the most reports

If only you were as good a mod as you are a shitposter you'd be #1 easily

Shelly doing mod stuff is as likely at templar not being busy
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