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On June 20 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2016 06:18 SkrollK wrote:On June 18 2016 22:38 Cascade wrote:On June 18 2016 14:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On June 17 2016 21:36 diabcockiful wrote:On June 11 2016 04:11 Psychobabas wrote:
These people have absolutely no idea what they are doing. It's quite clear. Yeah, no idea what they're doing, they've only crafted the best RTS game for the last 2+ decades. I'm sure you and your infinite wisdom could do much better. I swear to God, this community is so fucking stupid sometimes. ITS A DISCUSSION MORON, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT...simply state your opinion and (God forbid), some counter arguments. You see, that's how discourse works. User was temp banned for this post. A few small changes to the tone and I'm all behind this.  like remove "MORON", "and your infinite wisdom" and "fucking". Then the post is perfectly fine and something I'd consider +1. A pity. I still find confusing that people are still thinking that the team actually balancing the game starcraft 2 has anything to do with the team that designed/balanced StarCraft and Brood War, apart from a part of the name of the company... Sorry for the godwin worth example, but it would just sound like saying that you dont wanna buy anything that was made in germany nowadays cause 70 years ago their companies participated in the war effort of the nazis. And since it's the same name it has to be the same people so you are boycotting them... Slightly off topic, sorry, but, still.. At least Chris Metzen stayed for the entire franchise and gave us a worthy successor to the original story. Wait... And the knowledge and experience gained by the studio does transfer in a way. Companies do study what went well, and what went poorly from previous games, and working with people with experience does rub off. And no studio has more experience RTS-making than Blizzard.
Ok, so my apologies for I did not know that there was still someone from the original Blizzard North team participating in the StarCraft 2 adventure.
I'm also acknowledging very much that you can have some skill transfert in a way. Still, since the team has changed so much and since their is such a long time between the coming out of BW and the begining of the design of SC2, I am not really sure that skills and knowledge has transfered that much, but, here is my opinion, not a fact, so..
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On June 20 2016 15:23 SkrollK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2016 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 20 2016 06:18 SkrollK wrote:On June 18 2016 22:38 Cascade wrote:On June 18 2016 14:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On June 17 2016 21:36 diabcockiful wrote:On June 11 2016 04:11 Psychobabas wrote:
These people have absolutely no idea what they are doing. It's quite clear. Yeah, no idea what they're doing, they've only crafted the best RTS game for the last 2+ decades. I'm sure you and your infinite wisdom could do much better. I swear to God, this community is so fucking stupid sometimes. ITS A DISCUSSION MORON, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT...simply state your opinion and (God forbid), some counter arguments. You see, that's how discourse works. User was temp banned for this post. A few small changes to the tone and I'm all behind this. like remove "MORON", "and your infinite wisdom" and "fucking". Then the post is perfectly fine and something I'd consider +1. A pity. I still find confusing that people are still thinking that the team actually balancing the game starcraft 2 has anything to do with the team that designed/balanced StarCraft and Brood War, apart from a part of the name of the company... Sorry for the godwin worth example, but it would just sound like saying that you dont wanna buy anything that was made in germany nowadays cause 70 years ago their companies participated in the war effort of the nazis. And since it's the same name it has to be the same people so you are boycotting them... Slightly off topic, sorry, but, still.. At least Chris Metzen stayed for the entire franchise and gave us a worthy successor to the original story. Wait... And the knowledge and experience gained by the studio does transfer in a way. Companies do study what went well, and what went poorly from previous games, and working with people with experience does rub off. And no studio has more experience RTS-making than Blizzard. Ok, so my apologies for I did not know that there was still someone from the original Blizzard North team participating in the StarCraft 2 adventure. I'm also acknowledging very much that you can have some skill transfert in a way. Still, since the team has changed so much and since their is such a long time between the coming out of BW and the begining of the design of SC2, I am not really sure that skills and knowledge has transfered that much, but, here is my opinion, not a fact, so..
Starcraft was never made by blizzard north they made diablo and diablo 2
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On June 20 2016 11:46 VGhost wrote:
I came to check in on the ABL to see how long until the NBA Finals wrapping up gets someone banned.
Not yet, so maybe I overestimated TL's interest in basketball.
Takes a beating like Mexico took to really get the sports threads into the ABL.
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I don't remember any mass banning of Brazilians from 2 years ago.
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
It is fucking good to be back
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On June 21 2016 18:27 Cricketer12 wrote:
It is fucking good to be back
You gonna ban yourself from the Game of Thrones thread? Or keep posting and let TL mods ban you instead?
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On June 21 2016 18:58 Phredxor wrote:You gonna ban yourself from the Game of Thrones thread? Or keep posting and let TL mods ban you instead?
Nah, I'll probably enrage some Zest fans this time.
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The chrono boost thread got Avilo banned
avilo was just temp banned for 1 week by Teoita.
That account was created on 2007-11-09 03:19:04 and had 3771 posts.
Reason: Here is the thing. You have gotten away with balance whining despite your terrible moderation history because you are a known streamer, but there are limits to everything. A forum is a place of discussion, and when you come into a very good and well thought out thread, refuse every evidence and keep repeating over and over "no you are all wrong and Protoss is imbalanced", even when you keep being proven wrong, you just make conversation worse for everyone involved. That is not what a forum is for.
For this:
On June 22 2016 10:58 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 08:14 Jaaaaasper wrote:On June 22 2016 07:20 kill3r_cro wrote:
So to summize:
1. chrono boost was not nerfed as hard as terran and zerg macro mechanichs
2. it's autocast and doesnt require any skill (we seen how that worked out with zerg and how fast was that removed)
3. it arrives at zero seconds in game, while zerg and terran needs to unlock theirs macro boosters, we all know that macro advantage exponentaly grows through game
4. new expansions arrives macro booster ready, while terran needs to upgrade cc to oc and zerg need to get queen there or create one
gg
I mean 1) its a pretty massive nerf 2) Given how people talks about how people just leave it on the nexus rather than switching it to WG or what ever I don't think it takes any more or less skill than press the mule hotkey on minerals. 3) This isn't a game based on symmetrical balance so I'm not sure why people are insisting that all macro mechanics be treated the same way. Despite the claim that Chrono is stronger than other macro mechanics, protoss is weakest in the early game, so shouldn't something about the toss early game be buffed or something in z/t early game be nerfed? I'm still not sure why people insist on discussing balance on a symmetrical level when the game has 3 very distinctly different races. It's not a massive nerf. The test i ran shows it's equivalent if not better than HOTS chronoboost. And that test was ran with me doing the HOTS chrono every single time i had 25 energy pop up on the nexus. This means if even 2-3 of those chronos from HOTS are not used on probes, while the chrono from LOTV is constantly used on probes...the LOTV chrono is giving an INSANE economy lead for P in terms of getting a 2 base saturation. User was temp banned for this post.
Not spectacular I must say
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Hes made at least two threads about it, refuses to accept being wrong, and just keeps whining and whining and whining. Its pretty great.
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Canada8160 Posts
Not only that, his entire attitude in the thread
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Italy12248 Posts
It was all his posting in those threads, not a single post in particular.
I probably should edit the mod note actually
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
I actually don't know so I'm asking, is Avilo's fanbase players who generally think his thinking in Starcraft has merit, or are they mainly trolls?
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On June 22 2016 18:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
I actually don't know so I'm asking, is Avilo's fanbase players who generally think his thinking in Starcraft has merit, or are they mainly trolls?
That depends, are you asking about the Avilo from the series or from the books?
:D
Seriously I've seen both
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On June 22 2016 18:30 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 18:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
I actually don't know so I'm asking, is Avilo's fanbase players who generally think his thinking in Starcraft has merit, or are they mainly trolls? That depends, are you asking about the Avilo from the series or from the books? :D Seriously I've seen both
Haha ok, just wanted to make sure
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I find it that when you need to ask if something is done ironically, it usually isn't. Case study: /r/The_Donald 
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On June 22 2016 18:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
I actually don't know so I'm asking, is Avilo's fanbase players who generally think his thinking in Starcraft has merit, or are they mainly trolls?
I'm not a fan of him but I think in some cases he's really spot on and provides valuable feedback.
In this thread he of course acted like an idiot but for example in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/502334-avilo-sc2-mech-feedback-analysis-for-blizzsc2 I think he was really spot on so not everything he says is stupid.
If you have watched him cast you know he has great game knowledge and can be unbiased if he wants to.
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On June 22 2016 19:25 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 18:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
I actually don't know so I'm asking, is Avilo's fanbase players who generally think his thinking in Starcraft has merit, or are they mainly trolls? I'm not a fan of him but I think in some cases he's really spot on and provides valuable feedback. In this thread he of course acted like an idiot but for example in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/502334-avilo-sc2-mech-feedback-analysis-for-blizzsc2 I think he was really spot on so not everything he says is stupid. If you have watched him cast you know he has great game knowledge and can be unbiased if he wants to.
In my eyes that thread is Avilo's shining moment. In there with the references to BW he makes I agree with him, if mech could be used in SC2 and in TvP the way it can be used in BW, then SC2 would be fucking amazing.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 22 2016 19:25 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 18:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
I actually don't know so I'm asking, is Avilo's fanbase players who generally think his thinking in Starcraft has merit, or are they mainly trolls? I'm not a fan of him but I think in some cases he's really spot on and provides valuable feedback. In this thread he of course acted like an idiot but for example in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/502334-avilo-sc2-mech-feedback-analysis-for-blizzsc2 I think he was really spot on so not everything he says is stupid. If you have watched him cast you know he has great game knowledge and can be unbiased if he wants to.
Avilo can certainly make reasonable suggestions and accurate analyses like in that thread (note: I have my qualms about how his suggestions would work out, but the suggestions at the very least worth pondering), but I don't think I've ever seen him be unbiased. No matter how sensible and exact his suggestions are, they are always couched with terran and more particularly his style of terran in mind.
It's like when Zerg players said that Immortal Sentry all-ins were broken. They most certainly were right, but it was still a statement to their benefit, and few of them would make the same comments about BL/Infestor. So while the quality of avilo's proposals vary, and some of them are worth acknowledging (though others like the chrono-boost stuff most certainly aren't) you'll never get the entire picture.
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On June 23 2016 01:05 oneofthem wrote:
yea as expected, it will be a problem. people who expect rationality from the sandernistas are incredibly naive
User was temp banned for this post.
oneofthem was just temp banned for 90 days by JBright.
That account was created on 2005-11-01 20:12:29 and had 16412 posts.
Reason: Please cut it out. 90% of your posts bash on Bernie Sanders and his supporters. At some point it just gets tiring, old, and annoying. If you can't provide constructive criticism without pissing off an entire group of people, then just don't post.
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oneofthem just can't seem to stop painting with those broad strokes...
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