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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 05 2013 18:07 GMT
#42261
Only fair Sam gets banned, after superfan, right? :D

Both their posts were hard to read without /faceplam
liftlift > tsm
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 05 2013 18:12 GMT
#42262
On October 06 2013 00:51 Antylamon wrote:
Sam!zdat sounds familiar... but where do I remember Sam from?

He was here a while ago. Got a 90 day, requested a perm, and then came back.

Anyway, its only a week. I just hope he doesn't go the suicide by mod route.
dreaming of a sunny day
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 05 2013 18:12 GMT
#42263
On October 06 2013 03:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Only fair Sam gets banned, after superfan, right? :D

Both their posts were hard to read without /faceplam

I should make a thread about how the TL mods are stamping out all of the hardcore leftists on TL.
dreaming of a sunny day
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
October 05 2013 18:13 GMT
#42264
I saw that superfan ban coming from so damn far away. I know from my bitter experience that jeopardizing a political thread and posting 6 times per page gets you banned 100%

He didn't make a very good job at defending his pow, though.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 05 2013 18:43 GMT
#42265
obviously a conspiracy, they just banned sam to shut the republicans up about prejudice against them.

thanks obama.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 05 2013 20:01 GMT
#42266
Sam is kinda funny but he is so childish at the same time. If he was something like 16 years old he would be the smartest guy on TL... but he is 25 years old !
Time to get real and to embrace the evil side dear Sammie (i know that you are reading)... i really doubt that you want to be the obnoxious internet marxist for the rest of your life.

Change before it is too late Sam. I mean you got banned because you tried to argue with a "Christian" LOL. That's so humiliating hahaha.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 05 2013 20:40 GMT
#42267
aksfjh was banned too! TL mods picking up their pitchforks ;<
Writer
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 20:59:21
October 05 2013 20:59 GMT
#42268
Always sad when sam is banned, mainly because he presents viewpoints from outside the set political spectrum of how we're supposed to argue (at least from a US perspective). Otherwise once you read the politics threads enough you can see pu/doublereed going back and forth with xdaunt/danglars and know with an uncanny accuracy what their discussion looks like without reading a word. Sam throws a wrench into all that if only because it hasn't been ground into us how we're supposed to feel about and argue with what he brings up. Probably wouldn't be as surprising of topics if I read as much as I should, but if I did that I likely wouldn't have made my way to an sc website
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 06 2013 01:48 GMT
#42269
On October 06 2013 05:59 Trumpet wrote:
Always sad when sam is banned, mainly because he presents viewpoints from outside the set political spectrum of how we're supposed to argue (at least from a US perspective). Otherwise once you read the politics threads enough you can see pu/doublereed going back and forth with xdaunt/danglars and know with an uncanny accuracy what their discussion looks like without reading a word. Sam throws a wrench into all that if only because it hasn't been ground into us how we're supposed to feel about and argue with what he brings up. Probably wouldn't be as surprising of topics if I read as much as I should, but if I did that I likely wouldn't have made my way to an sc website


I agree. Once I'm convinced he's promoting a hardcore leftist agenda, he turns at a right angle (er, not a "politically" right angle; should have specified, sorry X-D) and throws me for a loop. Very difficult to pinpoint his political inclinations, lol.

His presentation of the his arguments is what needs work, because he gets banned for that so often.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 03:57:06
October 06 2013 03:53 GMT
#42270
On October 05 2013 19:37 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
sam!zdat was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.

That account was created on 2010-10-14 03:45:55 and had 4931 posts.

Reason: Three warnings in under a month for the same thing. You appear to be totally and utterly incapable of discussing any topic in a civil manner. In any discussion topic it's just annoying to have to read your posts. Especially because of how demeaning your stance Always is.


Pity was enjoying discussion in the book thread.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 17:28 sam!zdat wrote:
you think the spiritual content of christianity is some ridiculous myth about how jesus is the son of god and is going to make you live forever because you believe this absurd thing? that's what you think is the sum total of the value of your tradition? god, that's so disrespectful

the historical context that you ignore is THE ENTIRE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE ENTIRE ANCIENT WORLD

none of this stuff is real. if you are going to make it matter in the modern world, if you ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR FAITH, you are going to need to make it matter EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT REAL. otherwise it is useless and you are nothing but a delusional fanatic of a dying cult

User was temp banned for this post.


The cowardly and unjustified bans continue. This time because, allegedly, Sam's writing is "annoying" an "demeaning". Oh please, how petty and childish to ban someone because they annoy you. Ironically, Sam's argument is right, and as Dawkins warns the social taboo of mocking and criticizing religion continues apace despite this double standard not applying in other spheres of discourse such as mocking people's beliefs relating to politics, science, conspiracy theories, taste in movies, etc.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 04:06:29
October 06 2013 03:57 GMT
#42271
Wait, so you can be belittling if you're right?

You're making a shitty argument. Am I doing this correctly?

EDIT: I'm going to call this "The MoP Fallacy"
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 06 2013 04:32 GMT
#42272
On October 06 2013 12:53 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 19:37 Deleuze wrote:
sam!zdat was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.

That account was created on 2010-10-14 03:45:55 and had 4931 posts.

Reason: Three warnings in under a month for the same thing. You appear to be totally and utterly incapable of discussing any topic in a civil manner. In any discussion topic it's just annoying to have to read your posts. Especially because of how demeaning your stance Always is.


Pity was enjoying discussion in the book thread.

On October 05 2013 17:28 sam!zdat wrote:
you think the spiritual content of christianity is some ridiculous myth about how jesus is the son of god and is going to make you live forever because you believe this absurd thing? that's what you think is the sum total of the value of your tradition? god, that's so disrespectful

the historical context that you ignore is THE ENTIRE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE ENTIRE ANCIENT WORLD

none of this stuff is real. if you are going to make it matter in the modern world, if you ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR FAITH, you are going to need to make it matter EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT REAL. otherwise it is useless and you are nothing but a delusional fanatic of a dying cult

User was temp banned for this post.


The cowardly and unjustified bans continue. This time because, allegedly, Sam's writing is "annoying" an "demeaning". Oh please, how petty and childish to ban someone because they annoy you. Ironically, Sam's argument is right, and as Dawkins warns the social taboo of mocking and criticizing religion continues apace despite this double standard not applying in other spheres of discourse such as mocking people's beliefs relating to politics, science, conspiracy theories, taste in movies, etc.


"If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all."

- lesson from nearly every non-advertising ban ever

Criticize away, but do it respectfully. I've actually been watching old debates from the '70's, '80's, and '90's on YouTube lately + Show Spoiler [Reference.] +
(LibertyPen has some great ones of Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams, for example)
. That kind of civility has totally disappeared since then, both on TV and on forums. People discussed ideas in search of greater truth, rather than demoralized "opponents" out of disrespect. If posters acted more discreet and less personal when commenting, we would rarely see bans in General.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 06 2013 04:59 GMT
#42273
This is the internet. These people don't care about truth, only about being right in an argument. Do you think anyone interested in the truth would act like a jerk to whomever he is trying to convince? Makes no sense to be that way.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 06 2013 05:05 GMT
#42274
On October 06 2013 13:59 lichter wrote:
This is the internet. These people don't care about truth, only about being right in an argument. Do you think anyone interested in the truth would act like a jerk to whomever he is trying to convince? Makes no sense to be that way.


*sigh* This is too true, and why I stopped bothering with politics topics. :-\

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I lol'ed.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 06 2013 05:20 GMT
#42275
Can't say I ever talked with sam but I've seen his posts in the phd thread. Some of them are really well written, understandable etc... where others, well, I had no clue what he was even trying to say. Almost felt like he was posting those comments for the sake of it XD At least in those ones, he was posting well. Dunno about the rest of his posting history. As for superfan, well, his post at times felt really passive aggressive. I think it was evident in some of the SCII threads I've been in but his posting seemed ok. I think he should've mentioned something to the mods before making another account and posting so that he doesn't get banned if he was a pbu.

On October 06 2013 13:59 lichter wrote:
This is the internet. These people don't care about truth, only about being right in an argument. Do you think anyone interested in the truth would act like a jerk to whomever he is trying to convince? Makes no sense to be that way.

this.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
October 06 2013 05:44 GMT
#42276
I am not surprised about sam. I tend to agree with him, the way he debates really worries me, especially with his extreme arrogance and sometimes, and his assumptions can be similar to the ones Debbie often does, but nowhere near as awful.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 06 2013 06:00 GMT
#42277
I would say that all of the people who are writing about how they wish that sam would "grow up" are a little bit off base. Although his manner of presentation can be kind of antagonistic, his arguments aren't utterly unsound. I personally disagree with him on a lot of issues, but he does have solid evidence for almost everything he says.

The antagonistic presentation of his arguments is inherent in his role as he tries to break people out of the classic left v right logic that dominates american political discourse. Its arguably not enough for him just to calmly present that there is a third option, it has to be yelled or it will be drowned out..

That isn't to say that I disagree with his ban, but I don't think its somehow a personal flaw, and I certainly don't think its gonna change.
dreaming of a sunny day
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
October 06 2013 06:23 GMT
#42278
On October 06 2013 15:00 packrat386 wrote:
I would say that all of the people who are writing about how they wish that sam would "grow up" are a little bit off base. Although his manner of presentation can be kind of antagonistic, his arguments aren't utterly unsound. I personally disagree with him on a lot of issues, but he does have solid evidence for almost everything he says.

The antagonistic presentation of his arguments is inherent in his role as he tries to break people out of the classic left v right logic that dominates american political discourse. Its arguably not enough for him just to calmly present that there is a third option, it has to be yelled or it will be drowned out..

That isn't to say that I disagree with his ban, but I don't think its somehow a personal flaw, and I certainly don't think its gonna change.


Pretty sure that you can only take up a role like that if you're either above the law or if its enforcers and you have an understanding about what you're trying to do, taking it up otherwise sounds like arrogance.
Not that I'd actually want to judge him as a person here, I'm probably the one who knows the least about his posting habits here, simply because I only visited the american megapolitics thread once or twice and even though I didn't even post in there, the posts I read have left me so scarred inside that I decided to stay away from threads about american politics on TL.
So I certainly have no idea how he posts there, with the exception of his ban-post and an earlier instance of daphreak calling him out as a hypocrite in this thread (in a very funny way).
So I kinda hope that you were wrong about the inentions or strategy behind his behaviour.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 06 2013 07:01 GMT
#42279
On October 06 2013 15:23 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2013 15:00 packrat386 wrote:
I would say that all of the people who are writing about how they wish that sam would "grow up" are a little bit off base. Although his manner of presentation can be kind of antagonistic, his arguments aren't utterly unsound. I personally disagree with him on a lot of issues, but he does have solid evidence for almost everything he says.

The antagonistic presentation of his arguments is inherent in his role as he tries to break people out of the classic left v right logic that dominates american political discourse. Its arguably not enough for him just to calmly present that there is a third option, it has to be yelled or it will be drowned out..

That isn't to say that I disagree with his ban, but I don't think its somehow a personal flaw, and I certainly don't think its gonna change.


Pretty sure that you can only take up a role like that if you're either above the law or if its enforcers and you have an understanding about what you're trying to do, taking it up otherwise sounds like arrogance.
Not that I'd actually want to judge him as a person here, I'm probably the one who knows the least about his posting habits here, simply because I only visited the american megapolitics thread once or twice and even though I didn't even post in there, the posts I read have left me so scarred inside that I decided to stay away from threads about american politics on TL.
So I certainly have no idea how he posts there, with the exception of his ban-post and an earlier instance of daphreak calling him out as a hypocrite in this thread (in a very funny way).
So I kinda hope that you were wrong about the inentions or strategy behind his behaviour.

Reading his post, I almost get the feeling that packrat means what he says but is making a joke in the last part of that paragraph lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 08:33:37
October 06 2013 08:10 GMT
#42280
How hard can it be to not constantly post like a condescending, arrogant prick?

Unfortunately, posting like a condescending, arrogant prick also tends to get in the way of communication. It's enough to make one wonder if Sam's not just posting on this forum to troll around despite all his higher-purpose rhetoric.

EDIT: I'm sure he cares about the issues he talks about, but the way he posts is like someone who only cares about being right, not like someone interested in actual discourse. I'd be more willing to have a beer with IronManSC than with Sam, which is saying a lot considering that I agree with Sam on a lot of things (though I am sure we disagree on just as many things). -.-
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