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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Both their posts were hard to read without /faceplam | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On October 06 2013 00:51 Antylamon wrote: Sam!zdat sounds familiar... but where do I remember Sam from? He was here a while ago. Got a 90 day, requested a perm, and then came back. Anyway, its only a week. I just hope he doesn't go the suicide by mod route. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On October 06 2013 03:07 wei2coolman wrote: Only fair Sam gets banned, after superfan, right? :D Both their posts were hard to read without /faceplam I should make a thread about how the TL mods are stamping out all of the hardcore leftists on TL. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8066 Posts
He didn't make a very good job at defending his pow, though. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
thanks obama. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Time to get real and to embrace the evil side dear Sammie (i know that you are reading)... i really doubt that you want to be the obnoxious internet marxist for the rest of your life. Change before it is too late Sam. I mean you got banned because you tried to argue with a "Christian" LOL. That's so humiliating hahaha. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On October 06 2013 05:59 Trumpet wrote: Always sad when sam is banned, mainly because he presents viewpoints from outside the set political spectrum of how we're supposed to argue (at least from a US perspective). Otherwise once you read the politics threads enough you can see pu/doublereed going back and forth with xdaunt/danglars and know with an uncanny accuracy what their discussion looks like without reading a word. Sam throws a wrench into all that if only because it hasn't been ground into us how we're supposed to feel about and argue with what he brings up. Probably wouldn't be as surprising of topics if I read as much as I should, but if I did that I likely wouldn't have made my way to an sc website I agree. Once I'm convinced he's promoting a hardcore leftist agenda, he turns at a right angle (er, not a "politically" right angle; should have specified, sorry X-D) and throws me for a loop. Very difficult to pinpoint his political inclinations, lol. His presentation of the his arguments is what needs work, because he gets banned for that so often. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On October 05 2013 19:37 Deleuze wrote: Pity was enjoying discussion in the book thread. The cowardly and unjustified bans continue. This time because, allegedly, Sam's writing is "annoying" an "demeaning". Oh please, how petty and childish to ban someone because they annoy you. Ironically, Sam's argument is right, and as Dawkins warns the social taboo of mocking and criticizing religion continues apace despite this double standard not applying in other spheres of discourse such as mocking people's beliefs relating to politics, science, conspiracy theories, taste in movies, etc. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
You're making a shitty argument. Am I doing this correctly? EDIT: I'm going to call this "The MoP Fallacy" | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On October 06 2013 12:53 paralleluniverse wrote: The cowardly and unjustified bans continue. This time because, allegedly, Sam's writing is "annoying" an "demeaning". Oh please, how petty and childish to ban someone because they annoy you. Ironically, Sam's argument is right, and as Dawkins warns the social taboo of mocking and criticizing religion continues apace despite this double standard not applying in other spheres of discourse such as mocking people's beliefs relating to politics, science, conspiracy theories, taste in movies, etc. "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all." - lesson from nearly every non-advertising ban ever Criticize away, but do it respectfully. I've actually been watching old debates from the '70's, '80's, and '90's on YouTube lately + Show Spoiler [Reference.] + (LibertyPen has some great ones of Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams, for example) | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On October 06 2013 13:59 lichter wrote: This is the internet. These people don't care about truth, only about being right in an argument. Do you think anyone interested in the truth would act like a jerk to whomever he is trying to convince? Makes no sense to be that way. *sigh* This is too true, and why I stopped bothering with politics topics. :-\ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YmdYsiO.jpg) I lol'ed. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 06 2013 13:59 lichter wrote: This is the internet. These people don't care about truth, only about being right in an argument. Do you think anyone interested in the truth would act like a jerk to whomever he is trying to convince? Makes no sense to be that way. this. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
The antagonistic presentation of his arguments is inherent in his role as he tries to break people out of the classic left v right logic that dominates american political discourse. Its arguably not enough for him just to calmly present that there is a third option, it has to be yelled or it will be drowned out.. That isn't to say that I disagree with his ban, but I don't think its somehow a personal flaw, and I certainly don't think its gonna change. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On October 06 2013 15:00 packrat386 wrote: I would say that all of the people who are writing about how they wish that sam would "grow up" are a little bit off base. Although his manner of presentation can be kind of antagonistic, his arguments aren't utterly unsound. I personally disagree with him on a lot of issues, but he does have solid evidence for almost everything he says. The antagonistic presentation of his arguments is inherent in his role as he tries to break people out of the classic left v right logic that dominates american political discourse. Its arguably not enough for him just to calmly present that there is a third option, it has to be yelled or it will be drowned out.. That isn't to say that I disagree with his ban, but I don't think its somehow a personal flaw, and I certainly don't think its gonna change. Pretty sure that you can only take up a role like that if you're either above the law or if its enforcers and you have an understanding about what you're trying to do, taking it up otherwise sounds like arrogance. Not that I'd actually want to judge him as a person here, I'm probably the one who knows the least about his posting habits here, simply because I only visited the american megapolitics thread once or twice and even though I didn't even post in there, the posts I read have left me so scarred inside that I decided to stay away from threads about american politics on TL. So I certainly have no idea how he posts there, with the exception of his ban-post and an earlier instance of daphreak calling him out as a hypocrite in this thread (in a very funny way). So I kinda hope that you were wrong about the inentions or strategy behind his behaviour. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 06 2013 15:23 SilentchiLL wrote: Pretty sure that you can only take up a role like that if you're either above the law or if its enforcers and you have an understanding about what you're trying to do, taking it up otherwise sounds like arrogance. Not that I'd actually want to judge him as a person here, I'm probably the one who knows the least about his posting habits here, simply because I only visited the american megapolitics thread once or twice and even though I didn't even post in there, the posts I read have left me so scarred inside that I decided to stay away from threads about american politics on TL. So I certainly have no idea how he posts there, with the exception of his ban-post and an earlier instance of daphreak calling him out as a hypocrite in this thread (in a very funny way). So I kinda hope that you were wrong about the inentions or strategy behind his behaviour. Reading his post, I almost get the feeling that packrat means what he says but is making a joke in the last part of that paragraph lol. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
Unfortunately, posting like a condescending, arrogant prick also tends to get in the way of communication. It's enough to make one wonder if Sam's not just posting on this forum to troll around despite all his higher-purpose rhetoric. EDIT: I'm sure he cares about the issues he talks about, but the way he posts is like someone who only cares about being right, not like someone interested in actual discourse. I'd be more willing to have a beer with IronManSC than with Sam, which is saying a lot considering that I agree with Sam on a lot of things (though I am sure we disagree on just as many things). -.- | ||
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