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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 12 2013 18:35 GMT
#34721
The last two bans Gnarly has gotten have both been for deliberate willful martyring. I closed the topic because his own stupidity and inability to form a rational argument had reduced it to little more than trolling but I took no action against him for it.

The problem is that when debate gets polarised and you only listen to your own side circle jerk while destroying straw man arguments you get wound up into this bizarre state when you genuinely believe that feminists want to come into your house at night and perform postbirth abortions on your kids. Meanwhile they're doing the same and believe that you want to make women slaves to their reproductive cycle and why not force women to marry the rapist father of the child she didn't want while you're at it. And then both sides get into a shouting match over points that neither of them have raised until everyone everywhere just wants to kill themselves. When I brought up issues with gender identity in society and he called me a baby killer I felt it was time to close it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
StrawDog5
Profile Joined February 2013
29 Posts
February 12 2013 18:49 GMT
#34722
On February 13 2013 03:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
oh god.....

Something wrong?
Kwark for Bastion of Common Sense in the General Forum, credit to milliflue
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 18:51:41
February 12 2013 18:50 GMT
#34723
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2111 Posts
February 12 2013 18:56 GMT
#34724
I applied my better judgement and did not reply in the thread, by the time I saw it it had certainly gone to hell in a hand basket. Also I'm pretty sure it won't be the last time we see gnarly in this thread. If I'm proved wrong? Awesome.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 12 2013 19:22 GMT
#34725
On February 13 2013 03:50 dAPhREAk wrote:

I'm afraid I used my mod vision to see this post. If you do wish to discuss my actions regarding this then please feel free to PM me. I won't bite.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 12 2013 19:24 GMT
#34726
On February 13 2013 03:28 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 03:17 KwarK wrote:
On February 13 2013 03:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On February 13 2013 02:07 corumjhaelen wrote:
\o/
The Kwark hater might disagree, but in those moments I'm happy that he is a moderator on this website.


It was starting to get out of hand tbh. As disgusting as feminism has become lately, that guy did nothing at all to help the issue, since he basically brought up some real problems and then took a shit on them by not knowing how to form proper arguments and counter-arguments. It's sad really, that topic could've been so much more and maybe people wouldn't have been so quick to dismiss him if he actually knew how to present his position without sounding like an idiot. Oh well...

Pretty much. It does nobody any favours if all you do is shout "baby killers" at everyone until they give up on rational debate with you.


i think most topics can be discussed / most opinions can be voiced without fearing the violence inherent in the system (ban) as long as you're wording yourself with care.

like MoP calling feminism disgusting, i'm thinking he doesn't mean feminism as a whole, but probably some specific aspect of it. they way he words it though is open for interpretation and could destabilize the discussion and cause major shit storms if it was posted in some discussion topic.

edit: my pokemon evolved into something.


I said it has become disgusting and left it at that simply because this is not the place to be discussing it.

+ Show Spoiler +

To start off, how do you explain the fact that despite tremendous advances in women's rights in recent western society, the propaganda machine that lights up and screams sexism more or less all the time, even though we've come closer than ever to gender equality, even to a point where women definitely hold some unfair advantages (see laws on alimony, false accusations of rape, psychopaths getting impregnated without their partner's consent so that they can exploit said laws on alimony and/or false accusations of rape, list goes on and on honestly).

I'm not sure if you're aware of this phenomenon, but it's starting to gain more and more popularity and leverage: there's basically a bunch of subreddits, tumblrs, blogs and various other online communities starting to grow, filled to the brim with very frustrated, possibly emotionally traumatized, bile-spewing, irrational, incomprehensible extremist feminists that do pretty much nothing other than demonize and vilify the middle-class white male of western society as though the entire demographic is the ultimate exponent of tyranny, ignorance, malevolence and primal animal behaviour.

The hypocrisy of these poor souls and the incongruence of their beliefs with reality is absolutely appalling. First off, the fact that they continue to shun the aforementioned white males of western society despite the fact that they've already managed to reach a state of gender equality for the most part and are getting quite close to tipping it in the other direction. You know, instead of bring attention to middle-eastern or african societies were women are generally treated far far poorer, let's harp on the men *here* and make them out to be a bunch of Hitlers ready to rape and brutalize women on a whim, even though we enjoy the same rights and can abuse our gender to get unjust advantages in this very society.

So basically you have a bunch of sexually frustrated and potentially emotionally scarred women that take out their personal issues (which stem from their own past ineptitude) on men as a whole, thereby:
- performing the aforementioned indiscriminate demonization of white males
- generally also demonizing women of higher social status who are attractive and not afraid to express their sexuality ("what a slut; she's destroying everything feminists are working for" etc)
- conveniently ignoring any sort of unfair advantage that their sexuality and/or social preconceptions brings them, or even worse being extremely entitled as though it's their birthright and they're inherently superior due to their gender (lol do you see the irony here?)
- trying their very hardest to further engrain said preconceptions into pop culture and trying to influence as many of the younger males to become spineless subservient "Yes ma`am!" worshippers who will shower them with attention while the girls still fawn over the very male stereotype they vilify (because as it turns out, no amount of propaganda, hypocrisy, deceit or bullshit will change what's been hardwired into your brain from millenia of evolution; oh and by looking at the phenomenon of internet whiteknighting, I'd say it's not looking too good)

And if you think that I've based my entire case off an isolated incident, I'm afraid to tell you that you're very wrong. Go out there on the internet. Look for these groups. You'll be surprised how much traction they're starting to get, especially in the ranks of angsty teens / college students who think they just figured out how society works and fuck the system maaan. And you'll be even more surprised to see that most of their arguments and points that they bring up are even poorer than those of our misguided friend GnarlyAbitrage, these people will literally make shit up, put up strawmans and bash the everloving shit out of them while ignoring reality. And sometimes you get humongous tl;dr posts full of "you're literally hitler"-type claims.

So yeah... those are my qualms with feminism in its current state.


Sorry for rambling, KwarK but this really *really* needed to be said. Whether this discussion may proceed or not is not up to me, but I had to at least say this much.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
StrawDog5
Profile Joined February 2013
29 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 19:28:20
February 12 2013 19:25 GMT
#34727
daphreak clearly hasn't learned to double edit.

And MOP clearly hasn't learned to stop using ABL to debate general forum topics.

User was banned for this post.
Kwark for Bastion of Common Sense in the General Forum, credit to milliflue
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 19:28:46
February 12 2013 19:28 GMT
#34728
On February 13 2013 04:22 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 03:50 dAPhREAk wrote:

I'm afraid I used my mod vision to see this post. If you do wish to discuss my actions regarding this then please feel free to PM me. I won't bite.

meh. i see the futility of even questioning the double standards, and a big project just came across my desk. another day.

On February 13 2013 04:25 StrawDog5 wrote:
daphreak clearly hasn't learned to double edit.

And MOP clearly hasn't learned to stop using ABL to debate general forum topics.

thought about it (isnt it three edits?), but then decided i dont care if kwark sees.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 12 2013 19:29 GMT
#34729
On February 13 2013 04:25 StrawDog5 wrote:
daphreak clearly hasn't learned to double edit.

And MOP clearly hasn't learned to stop using ABL to debate general forum topics.


Who are you again?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 19:41:30
February 12 2013 19:33 GMT
#34730
On February 13 2013 04:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 03:28 nunez wrote:
On February 13 2013 03:17 KwarK wrote:
On February 13 2013 03:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On February 13 2013 02:07 corumjhaelen wrote:
\o/
The Kwark hater might disagree, but in those moments I'm happy that he is a moderator on this website.


It was starting to get out of hand tbh. As disgusting as feminism has become lately, that guy did nothing at all to help the issue, since he basically brought up some real problems and then took a shit on them by not knowing how to form proper arguments and counter-arguments. It's sad really, that topic could've been so much more and maybe people wouldn't have been so quick to dismiss him if he actually knew how to present his position without sounding like an idiot. Oh well...

Pretty much. It does nobody any favours if all you do is shout "baby killers" at everyone until they give up on rational debate with you.


i think most topics can be discussed / most opinions can be voiced without fearing the violence inherent in the system (ban) as long as you're wording yourself with care.

like MoP calling feminism disgusting, i'm thinking he doesn't mean feminism as a whole, but probably some specific aspect of it. they way he words it though is open for interpretation and could destabilize the discussion and cause major shit storms if it was posted in some discussion topic.

edit: my pokemon evolved into something.


I said it has become disgusting and left it at that simply because this is not the place to be discussing it.


which was my point almostly, not that i am interesting in debating the topic.

edit: it wasn't an attack on your position, i just used the wording in your post as an example of what kind of post i think would cause a thread to devolve into a bad state.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 12 2013 19:40 GMT
#34731
Dang. Bye strawdog. I actually liked his posting here.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 12 2013 19:44 GMT
#34732
On February 13 2013 04:40 mordek wrote:
Dang. Bye strawdog. I actually liked his posting here.


Personally I'm not a fan of uptight, condescending PBUs that never bring anything fruitful to a discussion anyway. He was trying way too hard to be funny and edgy in that "creepy turnoffs" thread or whatever it was called.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 12 2013 19:45 GMT
#34733
here come the kwark hat again. dont worry kwark there's still people who like you
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 12 2013 19:46 GMT
#34734
On February 13 2013 04:45 karis wrote:
here come the kwark hat again. dont worry kwark there's still people who like you


*raises hand*

<3
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 12 2013 19:51 GMT
#34735
On February 13 2013 04:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 04:40 mordek wrote:
Dang. Bye strawdog. I actually liked his posting here.


Personally I'm not a fan of uptight, condescending PBUs that never bring anything fruitful to a discussion anyway. He was trying way too hard to be funny and edgy in that "creepy turnoffs" thread or whatever it was called.

Personally I found it amusing the way he called you out regularly, but that's just me
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 12 2013 19:52 GMT
#34736
I found that pretty funny too.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 12 2013 19:52 GMT
#34737
On February 13 2013 04:51 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 04:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On February 13 2013 04:40 mordek wrote:
Dang. Bye strawdog. I actually liked his posting here.


Personally I'm not a fan of uptight, condescending PBUs that never bring anything fruitful to a discussion anyway. He was trying way too hard to be funny and edgy in that "creepy turnoffs" thread or whatever it was called.

Personally I found it amusing the way he called you out regularly, but that's just me


Someone that my reports brought justice upon maybe?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 19:56:17
February 12 2013 19:56 GMT
#34738
Defacer was just temp banned for 2 days by GMarshal.

That account was created on 2010-10-18 02:15:14 and had 4374 posts.

Reason: What a bad post.

You can post your arguments without needlessly flaming and aggressively insulting others. Try it once, it might get people to reply positively instead of putting them on the defensive. You should know better with your long history.


Silly Defacer, tsk tsk!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
February 12 2013 20:07 GMT
#34739
So anyone know who strawdog was?

Also viewable edit history goes as far as 7 edits, I believe. Only jd would be so paranoid as to go that far. I wonder what phreak said though. Definitely agreed with kwark's third post from the top of page 1737, I've always thought the same.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 12 2013 20:13 GMT
#34740
Banlings can only see through one edit and even then it's only through a trick I found accidentally where you go into their user info and view last X posts. It's not properly coded in. I believe admins can do more though. The whole staff/privileges structure would need a very complicated flow chart to begin to explain and even then you'd have people like travis on it who just make no sense.
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