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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:45 amd098 wrote: hey any news on TSL4? Yes, at the current rate of attrition, TSL should be down to 4 members in about 2 months. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 09 2012 13:43 BaconofWar wrote: John McEnroe If you cold bring anyone onto TL, who would it be? And I mean anyone, not just starcraft personas. On February 13 2012 08:04 Dubzex wrote: Nature's ProphetWhat is your favorite DotA hero? On February 13 2012 07:45 amd098 wrote: Huh?hey any news on TSL4? | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Windrunner is the best hero ever. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On February 13 2012 08:06 motbob wrote: Yes, at the current rate of attrition, TSL should be down to 4 members in about 2 months. LOL. Edit: If that long... | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
Reading through the SC2 forums, I see a lot of people really passionate about eSports news; people love to talk about how tournaments are ran, how they handle themselves in a business sense, any misconduct by organizations, how sponsorships effect players, etc, etc. However it seems that when it comes to the actual game, people people don't seem to be nearly as interested. I see some really nice threads about strategy or a players style quickly get buried with not many views where a generic "Is X bad for esports" thread get thousands of hits. Obviously, the fact that there are so many passionate people about esports is great, but do you see this trend as being good or bad for Teamliquid? Obviously Starcraft is currently the big dog in the esports world, but are you at all worried that the next big esports title might see a large portion of our community shifting away to the new esports hot topic? | ||
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miercat
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:15 Arisen wrote: For any of the staff: Reading through the SC2 forums, I see a lot of people really passionate about eSports news; people love to talk about how tournaments are ran, how they handle themselves in a business sense, any misconduct by organizations, how sponsorships effect players, etc, etc. However it seems that when it comes to the actual game, people people don't seem to be nearly as interested. I see some really nice threads about strategy or a players style quickly get buried with not many views where a generic "Is X bad for esports" thread get thousands of hits. Obviously, the fact that there are so many passionate people about esports is great, but do you see this trend as being good or bad for Teamliquid? Obviously Starcraft is currently the big dog in the esports world, but are you at all worried that the next big esports title might see a large portion of our community shifting away to the new esports hot topic? The nice threads about strategy go in the strategy section, the generic threads go in the general section? I'm personally not worried but i think someone who actually knows something can comment :p | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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PolskaGora
United States547 Posts
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:45 PolskaGora wrote: So I was profile stalking thedeadhaji and then I realized that the post count on his profile didn't match up with the post count that's displayed in the bar above every post. In this case it is 35895 posts on his profile while 24104 in his little user bar. What the hell is going on around here? I believe that it became sentient and began to count backwards some time ago, at this rate it is set to hit 0 on December 21, 2012. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:15 Arisen wrote: For any of the staff: Reading through the SC2 forums, I see a lot of people really passionate about eSports news; people love to talk about how tournaments are ran, how they handle themselves in a business sense, any misconduct by organizations, how sponsorships effect players, etc, etc. However it seems that when it comes to the actual game, people people don't seem to be nearly as interested. I see some really nice threads about strategy or a players style quickly get buried with not many views where a generic "Is X bad for esports" thread get thousands of hits. Obviously, the fact that there are so many passionate people about esports is great, but do you see this trend as being good or bad for Teamliquid? Obviously Starcraft is currently the big dog in the esports world, but are you at all worried that the next big esports title might see a large portion of our community shifting away to the new esports hot topic? Is the drama or the "is X bad for esports" threads bad? Some drama is horrible, unnecessary and barely tabloid worthy in any other industry. Some has some lessons that can actually be learned by players, tournament organizers, sponsors, teams, and other industry leaders that people can learn from. There is a lot of chaff that you have to filter out of the conversation but its good that the conversation is happening because that is what fuels everyone to continue to improve. If you think really quality strategy forum threads are being overwhelmed by other poor threads in that forum then yes that would obviously be a problem. I would like to think that we do a pretty good job but maybe there is room for improvement. I'm personally not playing at such a high level that I'm reading through every OP in that forum. Usually we can eye a rotten apple just from the title, go in and remove it, and that is that. The drama and "is this bad for esports" talk isn't what would be burying good strategy threads though so I'm sensing a disconnect in your logic here. The trend has been that the community is growing. That's good. With that growth we have a lot more crap to filter out. Its not a bad thing overall, you just have to take the bad with the good. Am I worried that people will "defect" to another game? Not at all. Fans are connected to the personalities and the players. And I don't see most of those guys going anywhere any time soon. Lots of players/personalities seem to play maybe a moba game here or there (be it DotA II or LoL) but it doesn't seem like something they seriously are considering as a career move. Maybe if Heart of the Swarm absolutely bombes and David Kim shits the bed and the game goes to shit they'd leave and then the fans would follow, but I hope Blizzard doesn't fuck up that badly. On February 13 2012 12:22 LF9 wrote: Why do you guys have a reputation (whether deserved or not) for tending to be a little bit "ban happy"? Do you feel like you over-moderate the forums, or do you think strict moderation is necessary to keep order on the forums? Have things gotten more or less chaotic since SC2 came out and an influx of new users has come to the site? Because we have rules and we don't hesitate to enforce them. Other communities either don't have rules or they don't enforce what they have in place. People viewing TL from the outside in naturally see us as ban happy. From the mood I generally get around other moderators more often we are worried about under-moderating. We approach the decisions critically on the individual level many times and will unban people but on the whole we don't really pause very often and go "Maybe I'm banning too many people lately?" Its more like "Well that one guy wasn't so bad, maybe I should give him a chance." Obviously with a user base that has multiplied several times over it has gotten more hectic. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:22 LF9 wrote: Why do you guys have a reputation (whether deserved or not) for tending to be a little bit "ban happy"? Do you feel like you over-moderate the forums, or do you think strict moderation is necessary to keep order on the forums? Have things gotten more or less chaotic since SC2 came out and an influx of new users has come to the site? I think that we have the ban happy reputation simply for banning far more than other forum communities, as well as making the bans public. Strict moderation is essential to the maintenance of the TL community and culture. The website would not function without strict moderation. At first, things were more chaotic with the influx of new SC2 members who were used to 4chan and reddit and were chastised by the fact that we didn't care who they were and that yes we would happily ban them and make fun of them while we did it. Over time those unfit to be a part of our community were removed and I think that our community now enjoys a time of profitable and prosperous posts. Posts influenced by reddit culture or memes are still an issue for me personally but they are unavoidable given the size of the website. As a whole, posts and threads are better than ever, but the sense of community and culture has been diluted. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On February 13 2012 13:32 p4NDemik wrote: Is the drama or the "is X bad for esports" threads bad? Some drama is horrible, unnecessary and barely tabloid worthy in any other industry. Some has some lessons that can actually be learned by players, tournament organizers, sponsors, teams, and other industry leaders that people can learn from. There is a lot of chaff that you have to filter out of the conversation but its good that the conversation is happening because that is what fuels everyone to continue to improve. If you think really quality strategy forum threads are being overwhelmed by other poor threads in that forum then yes that would obviously be a problem. I would like to think that we do a pretty good job but maybe there is room for improvement. I'm personally not playing at such a high level that I'm reading through every OP in that forum. Usually we can eye a rotten apple just from the title, go in and remove it, and that is that. The drama and "is this bad for esports" talk isn't what would be burying good strategy threads though so I'm sensing a disconnect in your logic here. The trend has been that the community is growing. That's good. With that growth we have a lot more crap to filter out. Its not a bad thing overall, you just have to take the bad with the good. Am I worried that people will "defect" to another game? Not at all. Fans are connected to the personalities and the players. And I don't see most of those guys going anywhere any time soon. Lots of players/personalities seem to play maybe a moba game here or there (be it DotA II or LoL) but it doesn't seem like something they seriously are considering as a career move. Maybe if Heart of the Swarm absolutely bombes and David Kim shits the bed and the game goes to shit they'd leave and then the fans would follow, but I hope Blizzard doesn't fuck up that badly. Because we have rules and we don't hesitate to enforce them. Other communities either don't have rules or they don't enforce what they have in place. People viewing TL from the outside in naturally see us as ban happy. From the mood I generally get around other moderators more often we are worried about under-moderating. We approach the decisions critically on the individual level many times and will unban people but on the whole we don't really pause very often and go "Maybe I'm banning too many people lately?" Its more like "Well that one guy wasn't so bad, maybe I should give him a chance." Obviously with a user base that has multiplied several times over it has gotten more hectic. Thanks! And yeah, a post about strategy is not going to be in the same forum as some of those threads I'm talking about, but the point was to accentuate that those type of threads get far more views/attention than a quality post about the game, not that the bad drama threads are burying the good strategy posts. | ||
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:50 Arisen wrote: Thanks! And yeah, a post about strategy is not going to be in the same forum as some of those threads I'm talking about, but the point was to accentuate that those type of threads get far more views/attention than a quality post about the game, not that the bad drama threads are burying the good strategy posts. I figured this is what you are getting at, and to that I would say just don't worry about it. The number of people who are playing the game at such a high level that they feel comfortable writing quality posts about it on the forums is naturally going to be a lot lower than the number of spectators that are out there watching and oooooing and aaaaaaahing over iNc and uNc getting married. Just the way things are. (edit: Our #1 rule pretty much outside of the "title your thread correctly, etc." stuff is don't talk about shit if you yourself don't know shit. We discourage that. If we had strategy threads getting 3500+ posts like the recent patch thread in SC2 General got, it would be a clusterfuck. So its good the way it is) If strategy discussion is at the point where it is entirely nonexistent then you can worry, but just remember 95% of the teaching and learning that serious players (not even just pros, but the bronze-to-masters level guys who just play seriously and to improve) are doing every day is happening in game and through other channels of 1 on 1 or smaller group discussion that's just pretty much the optimal way for humans to learn anything, whether it is calculus or StarCraft 2. The TL Strategy forum can be a great resource, just like liquipedia and wikipedia can be, but its not like being in a focused 10 person University course on a subject, and the chasm is even greater when you consider pros will do 1 on 1 coaching for a fee (or free in some lesser known players' cases). | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:57 Slakkoo wrote: In Liquipedia there are some articles which can be seen in swedish, I looked at them and the grammar and such wasn't 100%, am I able to correct it? You absolutely are, but this problem is pretty much also why we stopped supporting translations on LP. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On February 09 2012 13:43 BaconofWar wrote: If you cold bring anyone onto TL, who would it be? And I mean anyone, not just starcraft personas. Scarlett Johansson. No wait. Olivia Wilde. No wait, ok Mila Kunis. Then one of them would appear at MLG and win the open bracket, and then do an illegal BM ceremony on stage, then make out with a progamer who has a girlfriend, and then leave a team to go join Microsoft's new SC2 team. Since this hits on every single drama point in our community, it would single handedly make our website explode. On February 13 2012 08:04 Dubzex wrote: What is your favorite DotA hero? Probably bounty hunter. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
Also, I remember a while back there was a big push on the strategy forum standards (aka "The Purge") but I've noticed things seem to have relaxed a bit. Specifically people responding with "I didn't watch the replay but..." Have mods backed off of "don't respond if you didn't watch the replay?" I know that failing to provide replays in [H] threads is still getting threads closed. Thanks <3 | ||
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