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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
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So, what bw vods would you suggest for the past 3 or 4 years? I have been away from bw for awhile, and figured tl staff would have the knowledge of the best game of more recent bw to watch.
Also, what is tl glorious staff members favorite foods?
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Canada5565 Posts
On July 07 2012 04:29 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Who is everyones favourite Pro-gamer (Including TL players)?
Would be intesting to know if there are some fans of other teams in the TL mod group.
I believe that R1ch is a HerO fan, and who can blame him, but don't know about anyone else!
BW: Bisu, Jangbi, Jaedong, Flash, Fantasy
SC2: Taeja, Hero, Ret, Parting, DRG, MMA
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On July 07 2012 05:16 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 04:29 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Who is everyones favourite Pro-gamer (Including TL players)?
Would be intesting to know if there are some fans of other teams in the TL mod group.
I believe that R1ch is a HerO fan, and who can blame him, but don't know about anyone else! BW: Bisu, Jangbi, Jaedong, Flash, Fantasy SC2: Taeja, Hero, Ret, Parting, DRG, MMA
On July 07 2012 04:49 Ares[Effort] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 04:29 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Who is everyones favourite Pro-gamer (Including TL players)?
Would be intesting to know if there are some fans of other teams in the TL mod group.
I believe that R1ch is a HerO fan, and who can blame him, but don't know about anyone else!  Effort, CoCa, Zenio  SuperNoVa, Taeja  HerO I also like others but these are the ones I follow the closest, well not much anymore but definitely Coca and Effort
For the SC2 ones, these all seem, interestingly enough, to be either on TL or in the "new wave" of successful players. No love for the old heroes like Nestea, MVP, MC or MKP?
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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
I always liked Effort and Coca before they got big, and yea just realized Liquid or close to Liquid lol.
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Sweden5554 Posts
HerO, ThorZaIN, and MarineKing are my favourite ones.
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Canada5565 Posts
Nestea, MVP, MC and MKP are all great players. For the first three, their old achievements don't mean as much as the championships today because of the low skill level of the players at the time. Similarly, I think that we will look back on the tournaments of 2011-2012 in one or two years time and go "wow, people really weren't very good back then". But more than that, nothing about them stuck with me, I suppose. Same goes for Stork and other, older BW pros.
I think that there is still a vast amount of untapped potential in StarCraft 2, strategically and mechanically. Hopefully this trend of (mostly foreign) players running from one weekend tournament to the next will be replaced by something more sedentary. Players need to live in proper team houses and play in tournaments that don't start and finish over the course of three days if they want to improve their skill and invent exciting, new styles that push StarCraft 2 to its limit. Practicing on ladder is not good enough, and the huge difference between the tournament structures of MLG and GSL is always overlooked.
A major reason why StarCraft tournaments like the OSL are so exciting is because the players have time to practice and create strategies specifically for one or two opponents, and play their games in peak condition. Right now, tournaments like MLG are just a grind. Many of the top players were probably at a different tournament a week or two before and they will use the same strategies and tactics that they always have until someone's ingenuity or a patch forces them to innovate. The winner is determined by a different (and less interesting and laudable, imo) set of skills and circumstances than those of the winner of a GSL or OSL.
You can equate it to the difference between a huge war in medieval times where the warriors just go from castle to castle and fight in huge free-for-all brawls, and a samurai duel in feudal Japan. Another example is in professional Go, where there are amateur tournaments with time limits on games and the players have multiple games in a day. But at the highest levels, the best players have long drawn-out games with months of preparation. Personally, I think that the MLG format is great for amateurs and the GSL format is unquestionably the ideal for the top players.
Coach Park (SKT1 coach) said that one of the biggest factors in why KeSPA players will come to dominate the SC2 scene is that they are working in structured and time-tested team house environments, and I believe him.
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^ Something thats always got me is ranking the difference between winning a GSL and winning a MLG (obviously 1 has Koreans and 1 has less Koreans but bare with me)
Lets say there's 2 GSLs 1 lasts a month and the other lasts 3 days, both have an all star Korean line up
In 1 GSL you play maybe 8 BoXs in a month with preparation
In the other you play maybe 8 BoXs in 3 days with little to no preparation
Which one requires more skill?
Do you think there's more skill in on the fly analysis and changing your game plan to suit the situation in a very short period of time or that there's more skill in preparing for your opponents styles and mind games?
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 07 2012 04:29 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Who is everyones favourite Pro-gamer (Including TL players)?
Would be interesting to know if there are some fans of other teams in the TL mod group.
I believe that R1ch is a HerO fan, and who can blame him, but don't know about anyone else!
 — EffOrt, Snute, Ret*
 — Movie, Snow, BabyKnight, SaSe
 — fantasy, Beastyqt, Naama
* I was going to avoid Liquid players only because I work directly for the team, but Ret was my favorite foreigner in BW and I can't leave him out
On July 07 2012 06:16 Denzil wrote:
^ Something thats always got me is ranking the difference between winning a GSL and winning a MLG (obviously 1 has Koreans and 1 has less Koreans but bare with me)
Lets say there's 2 GSLs 1 lasts a month and the other lasts 3 days, both have an all star Korean line up
In 1 GSL you play maybe 8 BoXs in a month with preparation
In the other you play maybe 8 BoXs in 3 days with little to no preparation
Which one requires more skill?
Do you think there's more skill in on the fly analysis and changing your game plan to suit the situation in a very short period of time or that there's more skill in preparing for your opponents styles and mind games? I've seen how little things like bracket luck or the side of the bed you slept on can change the results in these big weekend LAN events. I think we read too much into them. I think tournaments with long prep times are the best, because then both players can play at their full skill level. If you lose, you deserved to lose, if you win, you deserved to win. There are no upsets when both players have a week to prepare.
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Canada5565 Posts
On July 07 2012 06:16 Denzil wrote:
^ Something thats always got me is ranking the difference between winning a GSL and winning a MLG (obviously 1 has Koreans and 1 has less Koreans but bare with me)
Lets say there's 2 GSLs 1 lasts a month and the other lasts 3 days, both have an all star Korean line up
In 1 GSL you play maybe 8 BoXs in a month with preparation
In the other you play maybe 8 BoXs in 3 days with little to no preparation
Which one requires more skill?
Do you think there's more skill in on the fly analysis and changing your game plan to suit the situation in a very short period of time or that there's more skill in preparing for your opponents styles and mind games?
I think that you can have both with the GSL format, but only the former with the MLG format. And in the GSL format, because of the (assumed) amount of structured practice, the on the fly analysis and reactionary play would be much cleaner and strategically significant.
There are different skill sets, so I guess it depends on which ones you value more. Traditionally, and I think most people today would still agree, the skills required to win a three month tournament are the most legitimate and encompassing. I mean, if Jaedong or Flash, after winning so many OSLs and MSLs, played in a weekend tournament and in their 19th game lost against a mediocre or amateur player, would anyone really care? What's the significance? Does it mean anything? The winning player certainly isn't "better" because of it. When Flash's winning streak was broken in Proleague (ignoring the fact that the player had prepared to snipe Flash), people talked about and complimented the winner, but they also recognized that there is a huge difference between beating Flash in PL and beating him in Ro16 OSL.
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On July 07 2012 06:28 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:16 Denzil wrote:
^ Something thats always got me is ranking the difference between winning a GSL and winning a MLG (obviously 1 has Koreans and 1 has less Koreans but bare with me)
Lets say there's 2 GSLs 1 lasts a month and the other lasts 3 days, both have an all star Korean line up
In 1 GSL you play maybe 8 BoXs in a month with preparation
In the other you play maybe 8 BoXs in 3 days with little to no preparation
Which one requires more skill?
Do you think there's more skill in on the fly analysis and changing your game plan to suit the situation in a very short period of time or that there's more skill in preparing for your opponents styles and mind games? I think that you can have both with the GSL format, but only the former with the MLG format. And in the GSL format, because of the (assumed) amount of structured practice, the on the fly analysis and reactionary play would be much cleaner and strategically significant. There are different skill sets, so I guess it depends on which ones you value more. Traditionally, and I think most people today would still agree, the skills required to win a three month tournament are the most legitimate and encompassing. I mean, if Jaedong or Flash, after winning so many OSLs and MSLs, played in a weekend tournament and in their 19th game lost against a mediocre or amateur player, would anyone really care? What's the significance? Does it mean anything? The winning player certainly isn't "better" because of it. When Flash's winning streak was broken in Proleague (ignoring the fact that the player had prepared to snipe Flash), people talked about and complimented the winner, but they also recognized that there is a huge difference between beating Flash in PL and beating him in Ro16 OSL.
Not to nitpick, but OSL ro16 is a bo1 round robin
I assume you mean ro8 where it's bo3 traditionally (bo5 this season though)
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Canada5565 Posts
Ro8 would accentuate the difference further, but Ro16 works well too.
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United States7639 Posts
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Can somebody please find me a good German penpal? I want to practice my German by writing letters and sending it through the mail.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 07 2012 03:56 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 03:06 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2012 01:17 SeeKeR wrote:On July 07 2012 00:37 Chill wrote:On July 07 2012 00:20 SeeKeR wrote:On July 06 2012 23:01 zatic wrote:
Huh I was pretty sure I have answered this before somewhere but can't seem to find it.
It's a quote from Baezzi's Youtube channel. He tried to explain in somewhat broken English why he wouldn't allow TL to embed Broodwar VODs anymore.
The full quote was something like "I know Teamliquid is known as a massive building, but real fans should go to sc2gg.com, which is for you guys". Or something like that. How does that quote in any way justify TL not embedding Brood War VODs anymore? -__-;; So what if we're a massive building? And WHY exactly does that matter? Do you know the Baezzi situation? My brother semi explained it to me once. Something about how he pissed off Baezzi or something like that? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=70536¤tpage=2#34Start there. .......... oh my...... holy crap...... that was some intense stuff Oo. Thank you Plexa for giving me this. I feel closer to my brother now 
lol np =]
On July 07 2012 04:29 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Who is everyones favourite Pro-gamer (Including TL players)?
Would be intesting to know if there are some fans of other teams in the TL mod group.
I believe that R1ch is a HerO fan, and who can blame him, but don't know about anyone else!
Well lets see..
From BW: Pusan, Stork, Kwanro, Flash all would be on my list
From SC2:
Nonkorean: Mana, Snute, Paranoid (because of his BW days !)
Korean: Taeja, Hero
There are tons of other players who I like and want to win (far too many to name them all) but when any of the above win it makes me giddy with joy.
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Whoa?! Seeker and Baezzi are siblings?! O_O Also Baezzi has a star :O
Whoa. You learn something every day!
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On July 07 2012 13:47 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa?! Seeker and Baezzi are siblings?! O_O Also Baezzi has a star :O
Whoa. You learn something every day!
It isn't Seeker and Live2Win?
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Wait....yeah Baezzi can't be his brother, never mind I misread it.
Still didn't know that he had a brother though O_O
Live2Win still has a star though I'm pretty sure haha~
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On July 07 2012 14:00 Aerisky wrote:
Wait....yeah Baezzi can't be his brother, never mind I misread it.
Still didn't know that he had a brother though O_O
Live2Win still has a star though I'm pretty sure haha~
Live2Win is my brother. Both BaeZZi and my brother have stars
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Ah I see. And WHAT you have a fanclub, nice ^^ totally thought you were a white teenager for some reason, I'm sorry~~ you have a strong esports family :D
Hm, another question: favorite movie(s) of all time?
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