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On July 14 2011 05:02 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:FORMAT Server: US Your Name: MrPandaPants Hacker Name: sKsDhalism - check replay Description: Blind scouts and times his zerglings to run by my base when I lift my barracks. Sends zerglings to top right corner blindly. I can't believe this. Pay attention to where he's clicking his zerglings when my factory is about to switch with the racks. Look at where he's clicking. His movement was really obvious, that was not even a blind attack ground, he was right clicking on the bottom right corner of my barracks through the fog of war without seeing anything. It is very subtle, so watch it at normal speed, you will see him time his zerglings to the bottom right corner of my barracks, WITHOUT vision of the flying factory. Blind ling to top right corner + blind vision of factory. Replay:http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/7588/MrPandaPants_vs_sKsDhalism EDIT #2 more proof of this guy hacking in this replay where his screen focuses on the fog of war at 6:14 game time, watch in normal speed hacker vs wonkman http://drop.sc/1624
This is ridiculous, he's clearly not hacking. He scouts the top right position with his lings because that's how you scout. And he knows his timings, if anything - if you open 14/14 you can use your initial lings to delay the barracks/factory swap or get in to deal some damage. He's not spam clicking the right corner of your barracks, he's spam clicking into the fog of war where your wall will be - so that if you aren't there, he can quickly scout the cross positions instead.
Just because you don't adapt your play when your opponent is streaming speedlings to your front doesn't mean the guy is a hacker.
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On July 14 2011 05:02 MrPANDAPANTS wrote:FORMAT Server: US Your Name: MrPandaPants Hacker Name: sKsDhalism - check replay Description: + Show Spoiler + Blind scouts and times his zerglings to run by my base when I lift my barracks. Sends zerglings to top right corner blindly. I can't believe this. Pay attention to where he's clicking his zerglings when my factory is about to switch with the racks. Look at where he's clicking. His movement was really obvious, that was not even a blind attack ground, he was right clicking on the bottom right corner of my barracks through the fog of war without seeing anything. It is very subtle, so watch it at normal speed, you will see him time his zerglings to the bottom right corner of my barracks, WITHOUT vision of the flying factory. Blind ling to top right corner + blind vision of factory. Replay:http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/7588/MrPandaPants_vs_sKsDhalism EDIT #2 more proof of this guy hacking in this replay where his screen focuses on the fog of war at 6:14 game time, watch in normal speed hacker vs wonkman http://drop.sc/1624
In neither replay was there a shred of proof. However there was plenty that directly contradicts your report.
This matter is closed.
(Not hacking)
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On July 14 2011 06:53 HappyZergling wrote:Server: EU Your Name: NaViSlaViK Hacker Name: Zerg Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9074Description: + Show Spoiler +Lag hacker. We played 2 games on ladder, my fps started to fall down, i thought there is something with my pc, coz i got sc2 crash, but then i played another ladder game, and it was okay, and then i met him again on Xelnaga caverns, my fps started falling from 110 to 1, and i left the game to save the replay. Dont know, if replay can help, but i noticed that his stats is 32-0, he's in diamond now, and all his games are 2-4 minutes long T.T
Confirmed
On July 14 2011 12:46 Adrenaline Seed wrote:Server: NA My Name: Kinetic Hacker Name: Zerg This is so obvious it is ridiculous. Short replay, he admits to map hacking. He can also see my food count and all stats, so Blizz is sending your ops stats in packets to both clients now. Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9107
Production/Map hack.
Strangely enough after he openly admits it, I have the feeling Zerg is hacking.
On July 14 2011 22:00 Moochlol wrote:Sever: NA My Name:SlayerSMooch Hacker Name:Stuiees The guy was blatantly hacking in this ladder game i played. + Show Spoiler +Looking directly @ my units through the fog of war, multiple times, canceling nexus without vision as my units are about to snipe (also looks directly @ my units as they are moving). He sends a probe across map without scouting me and cannons my expansion. I cannot believe how blatant this one was looking through the fog. Funny part is he still lost =p. Here's the rep its a funny one.
url is to long to link imo, its gamefront ><
It starts off around 2:30 with the instant cross map cannon cheese with no vision of any units or your base.
+ Show Spoiler [writeup] +
8:30 he looks at a hidden but possible expo.
10:00 looks again, still no move/attack move command
11:30 just stares for over five seconds at the hidden expo
13:24 looks directly through the FOW at two lings south of his third after starting the nexus
14:30 looks at the FOW in the corner of his base at the same time an overseer is there.
16:45 hovers directly over the ramp to the natural and looks at the roach hydra composition. He literally pans across the army.
Worth noting for a laugh: He has nearly 20 more workers but worse income on 4 bases.
22:00ish looks northeast of his army at yours then moves his army around it.
25:00 storms the very second he "sees" where the brood lord cocoons are. It's possible he just happens to have gosu reaction speed but up until now it seems rather anomalous. Especially since he misses them three times has 38 idle workers and 5,000 minerals in the bank.
28:30 FOW Army in the middle of the map.
30:00 attack moves directly where army is under FOW
33:00 looks directly at army under FOW and positions army to attack/defend it
33:30 looks at burrowed zergling at an expansion and sends a void ray over.. without an observer.
35:00 looks at unscouted expansion.
36:00 army FOW
And finally, what I kept watching after 20 minutes for
37:00 Army FOW, cancels nexus.
Map hacking and terrible terrible player.
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Just a reminder.
When reporting a hacker, please submit in the format below. If you do not attach a replay, or a character code, we will likely have to skip your post.
FORMAT
Server:
Your Name:
Hacker Name:
Replay:
Description:
Please follow the format. It speeds up the process.
No one here will laugh if you don't have great mechanics. Nobody will demean you if you genuinely think you were a victim of cheating and it was decided there wasn't enough evidence or you were wrong.
We want to help! But although this is a special thread on team liquid, it is a part of team liquid. Please read the information in the OP before posting, follow the format and be civil towards other posters.
To make it absolutely clear: It is annoying if you put the replay at the bottom instead of below Hacker Name. However it doesn't matter if you're Chill or you registered today- No replay=No review. Also hearsay will not be taken into account. If a streamer says someone is cheating then encourage them to post it here if they have a replay (Or one is already submitted).
I just wanted to clarify since things got a little crazy during the drop hack wave. Thank you for reading this and following the format.
And, as always
On September 09 2010 02:32 JWD wrote:
Frivolous reports will be cause for warn/ban. Please keep this thread civil and reasonable people!
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Server: Europe
Hacker Name: Frog
Description: Another drop hacker.. PvZ I did the 3sentry expand with MC voidray behind, he tried the roach/ling allin, and after saw the voidray and had no defense for it, I got dropped..
The guy has hacked vs me before too, he used a lag hack in battles last time (about last week) where every battle I couldnt move at all, so I couldnt cast forcefields or move my units back and when the battle was over, the lag would magically dissapear.
Very lame =/
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[NEEDS REVIEW]Hacker Name: GtoYeuGbe Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6343Description: A suspicious amount of unlikely scouting and army movement. It looks like a map hack but further reviews are needed. Please watch and comment on the replay.
Not hacking, or does it really "bad" by only looking at the minimap.
He had no idea DTs were coming or where the Proxypylon was located exactly ...
(He did scout the Twilight Council, so he could anticipate, something like DTs could be happening.)
he didnt look at Fogplaces without ordering units.
Probe-kill was lucky, cause he wanted to scout the "backyard route" (wich is always very effective)
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[NEEDS REVIEW]Hacker Name: FatCaT
Replay:http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=212199
Description: Reacts seemingly impossibly early to an SCV Marine all-in, also prepares by dropping three spine crawlers. I want to talk with the other members of the team about this replay, however feel free to watch and chime in. DO NOT STOP WATCHING until the end of the game - If you leave after the Terran's all-in, you will miss half of the reason why I'm putting this up for review - his army does not find the Terran's floated buildings for quite some time.
Not hacking,
his opponent was obviously preparing for all in attack. (Typing nonsense, asking for Spawn etc.)
no suspicios looking into fog
solid gaming vs. allin cheese noob
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Server: US
Your Name: SeizeTheDay
Hacker Name: stuiees
Replay: [url blocked]
Description: lol he doesn't scout then he looks at my base and my units 2 times a piece also i 2 gate pressure he just fallows right after i throw down my 2nd gate  how sad hehehe
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Anyone watch the kid I played yet ?
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On July 16 2011 01:48 SeizeTheDay wrote:Server: US Your Name: SeizeTheDay Hacker Name: stuiees Replay: [url blocked] Description: lol he doesn't scout then he looks at my base and my units 2 times a piece also i 2 gate pressure he just fallows right after i throw down my 2nd gate how sad hehehe
Analyzing...:
+ Show Spoiler + 2:43 - 1st strange thing ocurs - 2nd gate, right after 1st is done... what? You'd expect cyber, then gate. No peeks noticed yet.
2:48 - FOW peek
3:14 - FOW peek
4:16 - FOW peek at the incoming army... still no cybernetics... lol
- blindly transitions from 2 gate defensive zealots only into 4 gate
8:15 - FOW peek at the army
9:30 - gosu intercept
Imo maphack confirmed
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Server: NA
Your Name: hackkyruel
Hacker Name: IIplayerII
Replay:http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9320
Description
at the start of the game, his camera never leaves his near his cc even when he is building things outside of his camera view such as his 2nd supply depo, around 14:56 he looks through the fog of war at 2 of my expos going up and he looks at where all my creep tumors r going up on a random part of the map. for the next 5 min he proceeds to randomly look through the fog of war at my bases, no doubt looking at things such as saturation. ( I know he is just looking and not trying to harrass these areas because he has no units selected while he is looking)
in the end i am so far ahead that i just start playing around with infestors and its damn near impossible to see infestors moving underground especially when you split them up but he managed to scan the infestors and was able to get them 100% of the time and if i looked through his camera view looking closely at the ground i dont know if its because my graphics are on low but i didnt see how he could see that at all. in the end he looks at all of my bases again this time including the gold base i picked up and then resigns. for no reason. probably because he saw i was so massivly far ahead
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Server : EU
Me : GuoJing
Hacker : offlineAseK
Replay : [url blocked]
Description : walling with a gate due to my 4 zealots/2 stalkers early push (but he didnt scouted it, he looked at my choke despite fog) ; anticipating phenixes' moves ; forcing me to cancel my expand like 3 times ; and the best : he looks at my base multiple times (even there is fog)
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On July 17 2011 01:01 GuoJing wrote:
Server : EU
Me : GuoJing
Hacker : offlineAseK
Replay : [url blocked]
Description : walling with a gate due to my 4 zealots/2 stalkers early push (but he didnt scouted it, he looked at my choke despite fog) ; anticipating phenixes' moves ; forcing me to cancel my expand like 3 times ; and the best : he looks at my base multiple times (even there is fog)
I watched the replay. Took notes:
+ Show Spoiler +
3:47 Peep into the (previously unscouted) main through FOW. Maybe he was attempting to scout, and forgot to select a probe first. Or maybe he's maphacking
4:55 Peep at bad guy's ramp again.
6:54 Watching some action at the ramp; decides to look at the rest of the main, (still unscouted) through FOW. Maybe he forgot he hadn't scouted it yet and was looking to remind him of all the buildings he didn't scout. Maybe he was maphacking.
8:38 Yet another FOW peek. Builds only stalkers, which is definitely a fortuitous unit combo against phoenix/zealot
9:26 Places a bunch of stalkers in his mineral line, as a blind counter against the threat of, umm, air units. In PvP. Maybe Stargate is standard in PvP where you are, or maybe he's maphacking.
9:45 Peeps at the ramp and main again. Maybe he's REALLY forgetful, or maybe he's maphacking
9:56 Peeps at the main and ramp again. Perhaps he was admiring some of the pretty foliage on the Shattered Temple map. Or maybe he's maphacking.
10:20 Peeps at the ramp again, and moves out as his opponent attempts to expand. Maybe he knows all about the 10:00-10:30 expo timing window in PvP, and decided to shut it down with a preemptive push. Maybe he's maphacking
11:05 Camera goes back to base just before the phoenixes fly out of fog for some mineral line harass. There were some stalkers already there, so no worries.
11:56 Peels off a pile of stalkers from his conga line as a contingency in case those phoenixes show up. You never know where they might show up.
12:00 An extraordinary blink towards some phoenixes that had only just appeared on the map. He has the reflexes of a housecat. Or maybe he was maphacking.
14:15 In this guy's defence, some phoenixes DID manage to get to the mineral line without being preemptively shut down by stalkers here. Maybe he wasn't maphacking after all
Conclusion: One of two possibilities
Either
1) The laws of probability took the day off when you were playing this game
2) offlineAseK was blatantly maphacking
I'm voting for option 2.
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thank you for your detailed work ^^ rly appreciated
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On June 20 2011 05:03 infinix wrote:Server: North America Your Name: iNfiniX Hacker Name: GtoYeuGbe Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6343Description: I normally wouldn't care too much about this, but this guy was increasingly BM in chat as well. I was suspicious in game when he had an overseer ready at his base for my DTs as well as he moved a baneling right as my dts came to his base. he did not scout my base at all. After watching the replay there are 2 instances where are incredibly suspicious. He a moved his zerglings across the map directly to where my proxy pylon was, completely unscouted by him. In addition to this, he pulls off 2 lings to find a hidden probe which he again did not scout at all. The replay shows that he moved both times almost on top of my probe/pylon again without any vision, this occurs at abotu 5:20 in the replay. The replay also confirms the super blind dt counter and his response to the dts is also very suspicious. Thank you for your time. EDIT: Typo in the name, the Correct name is GtoYeuGbe.
I see see weak to little evidence for hacking. Here are what I view as key moments.
1. Moving lings way from cannon
While quick, this is a mid-level skill. He moved his lings to the base of the ramp and paused briefly. He was quite possibly only going to poke and was prepared to jump back regardless of what he saw. Also, when he baneling busted you, he stopped before he went up the ramp. He would have had vision of your building placement at this time, yet he attacked anyway. He could be stupid or had poor execution, but weighs against him hacking.
2. DT counter
You forge first cannoned on 1 base after you scouted a 10 pool, a reasonable response. He might not have realized this, however, and the mind of cheesers tend to expect cheese. The lair was well timed, but he never looked into your fog to see the shrine. He had legit vision of your twilight when he tried to bust you, as it was warping he could have clicked on it. Also, he clearly decided to make the lair only after he spotted your proxy pylon.
3. Probe/pylon kill
The map is a small map and those are common locations. He moved his lings by clicking on the minimap, it seemed a routine thing, also moved to take xelnaga. He also seemed genuinely surprised when he saw both your probe and your pylon.
4. Movement in response to DTS
he did send a bling to the top of his ramp, but that is reasonable if one expects DTs. When your DTs killed his lings at the towers he also seemed surprised. When your attack came, he only looked at his nat after the alert flahsed. He also put up spines only after having legit view of your army.
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On June 01 2011 09:02 Geiko wrote:Posting this for a friend who doesn't have a TL account. Server: EU Your Name: Pazu Hacker Name: FatCaT Replay: ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-212199.jpg) Description: Guy doesn't scout at all on metalopolis. My friend goes for 3 rax all in and FatCaT throws down 3 spines. Pulls ALL drones to his natural right before the attack without seing anything.
Fatcat was able to deduce terrans position from his ovie scout. His reaction to the scouting scv did not occur until he had legit vision and seemed surprised, but a little delayed. His reaction to the all-in, however, is extremely hard to explain. He did not FOW scout at ant time in the game that I saw. He built 2 spines and several lings blind. This itself is not that strong, given his opponent was being a chatty kathy, but these are more suspicious.
4:22
he moves his lings to the tower, and then, when his screen is on the tower with your rines, no vision, he changes his mind and moves to the other tower. From this time period to the next is suspicious as all hell. He sees 2 lone rines and he has 8 lings at 4:37. Why not kill the rines? Because at that moment the minimap shows losts of blue dots. He instead goes back to his base.
4:53
Building the third spine was suspicious, he sent a drone at 4:53 to do so, right when it was clear your army was moving out and you had pulled scvs. 2 spines is enoguh to hold a 2 rax, but maybe he did not know this.
5:08
He moves his drones to block the ramp, he does not send them to mine and seems to have no intention of doing so. All before he has vision he moves them behind the crawlers with the lings.
10:33
He sends lings to the corner, then corrects them to get a stray rine that he did not see, could have just been correcting a misclick though.
He seems to take too long to scout the buildings. After he legit scouted the edges and saw nothing, he should have know to check the middle deadzone. Instead he waits a little, then sends them to the corners. On the other hand, this scouting pattern makes sense, and is only weak evidence. Again, no FOW scouting, but everyone knows that this is a dead giveaway. That 30 sec window that i mentioned, and his decisions, seem to make more sense if you assume he was maphacking than not.
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On July 14 2011 12:46 Adrenaline Seed wrote:Server: NA My Name: Kinetic Hacker Name: Zerg This is so obvious it is ridiculous. Short replay, he admits to map hacking. He can also see my food count and all stats, so Blizz is sending your ops stats in packets to both clients now. Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9107
Its so blatant, that he must want to be caught. I would suspect someone is trying to get him banned, or he is going to use this to market his maphack.
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