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Why do you have to do stuff outside? Because it's normal? Because it's healthy?
Why don't you allow people to live their life the way they want to? I think it's pathetic that you claim to know how people should live their lives. The fact is, you like to go outside, go to a bar with your 'real' friends or something. Others like to go on a raid with their WoW friends (who are just as real and with whom you can have just as much fun).
Don't judge people by the way they live.
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Great article. I'm still crying. Is your mom single by any chance? Just thought I'd ask.
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I'm new to SC in the sense that i started at SC2's release and i'd never seen this daily so thanks for linking it, the article was great and i did show it to my mom to help her understand why i spend so much time on games, even if i'm nowhere near professional level.
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This is just awesome, I wish my mom understood english...
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On November 19 2010 20:56 rAize- wrote: No I dont, but alot of them are. People just seem to lose track and live inside the pc world too much. Basically my point is instead of playing too many games or too often, spend your time with other hobbies where you do stuff outside! I love gaming, but hardcoregaming always diminishes time for other stuff that should be done instead!
umm, what other "stuff" should be done instead. I have gamed hardcore since i hit 10th grade, the social skills i developed, working in a team, dedication and commitment. Yeah, it came from a team based FPS background, where we talked and communicated the entire time so it developed social skills, starcraft is solitary mostly but you can still apply those skills. Throwing time at something, where there is no problem solving, solutions, or interaction will more likely than not lead to lackluster social skills.
Just "playing games" wont get you shit in terms of skills. You either have to get social experience, extreme amounts of dedication and problem solving, or basically its just not giving you skills for all the time you are putting in.
Its like the kid that play Final Fantasy all day, he doesn't really solve problems, he just plays, and he plays alot, and he is not learning shit.
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Oh I read that! It was a great read, too. Hadn't even considered that her son could actually be from TL
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Really great article by your mom. Summed up Daily #100 is a really great way from a very different perspective. Thanks!
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Doesnt work on my iPhone (4.0.1 3gs jailbroken)..
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On November 19 2010 19:06 RoyalCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 14:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 19 2010 13:48 puppykiller wrote:On November 19 2010 10:20 RoyalCheese wrote: I am probably gonna get a ton of shit for this, but why is everybody so blown away by this article? I mean yeah i'm happy for the OP that his mom understands why does he like games and is having this epiphany but the article is just a sum up Day[9]'s video with a couple of very wrong conclusions about not studying being ok as long as you play games. I was about to write the same thing. You guys probably have trouble thinking outside the box, which is also the sadness that leads to the world we live in. What the mom is trying to say is that society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking. A more enlightened individual learns to refute what society tells them is right, and chooses to follow what their heart knows is right. In Day9's case it is gaming. It's why the mother was moved to tears watching his 100th episode. She saw the passion he had, and saw that he had broken out of the shackles of conventional thought. Hopefully one day you'll do the same, instead of arbitrarily reducing a complex idea into doggy doo. You know Sean studies for PhD (or Masters degree, not sure), right? Nothing is Day9's video nor in the article proves that society has collectively decided what they think is the "right" way to think, learn, and live life, and that in reality society is quite wrong in its collective thinking . Or at least i am not smart enough to see it.
I think more people should see what's in the Bold. I feel the author uses Day9 as "support" for her already drawn conclusions on how people "should" be. She doesn't really consider how Day9's triumphs are exactly counter to what she is preaching, but rather continues on using his story as an example for her conclusions. The preachiness aside, I feel it's a great summary and would gladly share it with others.
In other words, I enjoyed the article and I'm glad Sean is getting recognition for his hard work. However, the preachy parts within the article, I could do without. I found myself turned off when the author would "prove" her son was smart from 1 game of scrabble, or suggest that world leaders should follow Day9's path. I felt that was unnecessary and ruined parts of an otherwise great summary.
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This thread has 3 kinds of people. The people who go "oh, cool." The people who're coming out of the closet because their passion is vindicated by somebody else, and the people who go "this is fucking pitiful."
Well let me tell you what, person type 3, the most educational thing I have EVER done, in my LIFE, was my 4 years of wrestling in high school. That taught me the meaning of hard work and dedication. If I fucked up, I was the only person to blame. There was a team counting on me. It was a physical process, revised over and over through endless drill practice after practice. It hurt, I'd literally get pounded into the ground, and I transformed from a scrawny little 130 lb stick boy to a 160 lb mass of concentrated muscle. If you haven't wrestled for an extended period of time, you don't know what its like. I'm not saying its the most hardcore shit or that this is even a contest, but the same way you don't know what SC is like if you haven't played it and you can't appreciate it.
Learning how to learn, taking personal responsibility, learning from failure...these aren't lessons taught in our schooling systems. School doesn't put the drive to become better, faster or smarter. It doesn't put a goal in front of you or the will to become the best. It just evaluates your worth as a person with numbers.
So if you're marginalizing this process because SC is a video game and its a bunch of "no-life nerds" finally getting the balls to come out of the closet, get the fuck off this site. Seriously, just go grab something and shove it up your ass violently until you bleed. Whether your points are valid or not, this is not the place for that.
I e-mailed that article to my mom as soon as I read it.
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On November 20 2010 05:55 KurtistheTurtle wrote: Learning how to learn, taking personal responsibility, learning from failure...these aren't lessons taught in our schooling systems. School doesn't put the drive to become better, faster or smarter. It doesn't put a goal in front of you or the will to become the best. All of this is true. But just because you learn certain things outside of a classroom environment does not mean the classroom environment is useless.
School is a method of civic indoctrination. It's neither good nor bad, it is what it is.
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such a good article...
though I asked my dad to read it (and watch day9 100) and well..
me: "did you look into it" him: "yeah I read through it quickly" (I have him the url to the article, day9 100 on bliptv, and the economist article) me: "what did you think about it" him: (ok I can't remember what he said completely but he was like mainly "why, what's the point of you showing this") me: q.q nevermind...
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Another fun thing to show family members is the 2005 national geographic special on WCG and XellOs. Both my parents watched that years ago and loved it and appreciated/understood my obsessions more after that.
talking about this, I'm sure bw ppl have seen it but new guys might not have seen it yet: (part 1)+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iMHG88hZCw
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On November 20 2010 06:54 zhurai wrote: such a good article...
though I asked my dad to read it (and watch day9 100) and well..
me: "did you look into it" him: "yeah I read through it quickly" (I have him the url to the article, day9 100 on bliptv, and the economist article) me: "what did you think about it" him: (ok I can't remember what he said completely but he was like mainly "why, what's the point of you showing this") me: q.q nevermind...
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Lovely story dude, pretty sure ill try that some day. That 100 Daily IS FUCKING EPIC. GG Day[9].
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Well I wouldn't agree with no schooling... and asmuch as I love gaming, there are many hazards in the esport aswell and I would prefer to mention and combat those aswell instead of pure praise.
But great article nevertheless, Love day9 for being such a badass.
On November 19 2010 21:37 Liveon wrote: Why do you have to do stuff outside? Because it's normal? Because it's healthy?
Don't judge people by the way they live. How else would you judge them? Ofcourse aslong as a person loves what he is doing and, as Day9 said; Loves that he loves what he is doing... that's all fine. But you can't denay there are multitudes of people escaping chores, work, studies just to play games constantly.
Not all gamers are like that, ofcourse, but it would give "normal" people way to much gunpowder to ignore that fact and only mention gamings positive sides.
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This is a very touching article, a very good read.... You can be proud of your mom
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Thing is, I have been a hardcore gamer for a couple of years, playing for Team Germany in Day Of Defeat. I know how it is to come home from school and instead of meeting friends, I'd rather turn on IRC and practice a bit and then hop on to ventrillo or teamspeak and get wars going all day long. Of course you meet alot of people, have conversations, even deep ones. You get to know new friends, even in RL when you meet them at lan. But I stopped doing that, because in my opinion Its not what one should do, I still play games, I love them but now I do it when I am bored at home or got nothing else to do OR when I just feel like them but if you feel like them all the time then I dont think thats very good.
Its undenyable that a big percentage of the hardcore gamers just want to go home and play games. I personnaly just dont consider this a normal life FOR MYSELF, people can do what they want. But I prefere meeting new friends, spending time outside, grab a drink or get to know new hobbies, rafting, tennis whatever, experience what life has to offer and I dont find that when playing pc all day long! My personal opinion, ive been both hardcore and casual gamer so I think, for myself I am very well capable of judging.
Now, if people say: "well just because you played all day long, doesnt mean that others do" but if we are talking about hardcore gamers, then I think its obvious we are not talking about a casual gamer that can easly mix normal activies with gaming. I dont think a hardcore gamer has a healthy balance. MY POINT OF VIEW! so dont insult me for my opinion!
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