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Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion.
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On March 02 2011 04:59 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 04:55 Shiragaku wrote:
Bleh...I am sorry Mora. I tried start my daily reading of this thread with good intentions and even tried to impress you but I can see that I did quite the opposite. I am really really sorry. I will reflect upon my actions. T___T sweet holy jesus i feel like a douchebag. everyone stop apologizing and just get on topic. lol Question for the other gays on tl.net: how old are you? The gay sc nerd duckling that i used to be has grown into quite a responsible life-consumed mallard. I wouldn't be able to imagine 8 years ago who i am today, nor would i be able to fathom how comfortable i am in my own skin and with my environment at large. Where on the spectrum are most tl.netians sitting (this can go for non-gays, too!)? Where are the ducklings and where are the mallards? (or maybe another type of billed animal?)
Great question, Mora, to allow others to get a feel of what it's like to be "all growed up!"
I'm 25 years old, going to school to be a physician assistant. I came out to myself 16 (duckling stage!) then came out to my family at 17 (still duckling at this point because I was naive). Being the incredibly devout Mormon family they were (PLEASE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOW AWFUL/AWESOME MORMONISM IS, THIS IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD!), my wonderful parents basically kicked me to the curb and told me I could find my own place to live (blossoming into a young mallard). So I stayed with some friends until I went to UT Austin for school. Long story short, I'm now in school (again) for my dream career, loving what I'm doing, totally out in all aspects of my life, and my parents have actually started talking to me again in the last 5 or 6 months (full on mallardity). My only complaints are that my school is in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania, and I'm single; but I'll be done in just over a year and headed to Boston!
My advice to anyone who is struggling is to go to youtube and look at any of the thousands of "it gets better" videos. They're inspirational, will give you courage and something to look forward to as far as how life can, indeed, get better as one matures and has more leniency towards deciding one's own company.
Edit: i kant spiel kurrektly
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On March 04 2011 07:30 Frack wrote:
So most of this is stuff i completely disagree with so this maybe a long post, but ive time to burn so here we go.
Kind of a big generalisation here, always should be prefaced with "i have a very limited view on the world in my social bubble, here is a generalisation that ive made" because thats exactly what it is. How you define masculine and feminine is also very open to debate, one could argue shared traits are "human" traits, you may call a man who empathises "feminine" but most humans emphasise, i think it is slightly too vague for a debate to just label masculine and feminine traits when diversity isnnt so simple. I mean sure people conform to social norms, but im taking your viewpoint from a more biological than social standpoint, if this is wrong im sorry but its kind of how you worded it. As regards the attitudes and reflections people give off, you have to understand that the "feminine man" persona associated with gay men is just as poor a generalisation as the "butch woman" who is a lesbian, sure there does exist a subset of gay people who exhibit more male and more female characteristics but in general movies and tv shows have kind of lied to you.
Again i feel you have somewhat missed the point here, being gay is not being a different gender, you arent a man in a womans body or vice versa, thats a whole other kettle of fish.
Pride parades are, generally speaking, a nice way to show the world how far we have come and gain some recognition as to how far we have to go still, its often used a way to induce some level of social recognition that, like so many other groups, there are still some economic, social and political disadvantages to being gay, thats just the way it is. On the other hand again you have to stay away from broad generalisations, not every gay person goes, not every gay person cares. I think people tend to think that once someone identifies as gay they can be somewhat lumped into a column where" well this mans gay, therfore his views are x, y and z, he practices c, b and a and surely hes interested in r t and s". Now im sure you know alot of people and you wouldnt clump them all together as one just because they are straight, the same applies in reverse.
Gay people can be as hard as Chuck norris or as camp as Jack, regardless they are all human beings, and if acting the latter means someone disrepects then thats their problem not mine.
Hi, Frack!
I appreciate your input, however the post you replied to was directed at the thread originator, Mora, with a very specific question, emphasized in italic.
Although you sliced & spliced my post and responded to it piecemeal, attempting to do what seems to me as a half-baked point-by-point rebuttal, the most important part of it got omitted.
I understand, it happens to me too when I'm juggling replies.
But, it was quite disrespectful of you to address me in the manner in which you did.
If you have any issues with me, please feel free to send me a private message detailing what it is - don't discuss it in unrelated threads.
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I'm 25, came out to myself at 19, which is pretty late I think. Came out to my parents at 21, came out on facebook recently, so now I'm completely out.
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On February 28 2011 04:03 AzaleasFighter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 02:07 lucasgir wrote:
As a gay Starcraft II player, i want to point out 2 things about this thread;
First, you must keep in mind that homosexuality is only a (small) part of our personality, and there are as many different gay people as there are people. e.g., I think that the fact that i'm quite a "geek" has way more impact on my life than my sexuality.
So, as interesting Mora post might be, they don't represent the "gay".
For example, I strongly disagree with his view on gay "hypersexuality". It's probably a part of the gay community, but most gay I know are looking for long-term relationship and i have friends who are in 5+ years not open relationship.
I don't share his opinion on flamboyent gay neither. I don't think they were born this way, in my mind, it's the result of cultural stereotype and this type of comportement will vanish as gay are more accepted (This is already the case). Whatsoever, they absolutely have the right to be as flamboyant as they want, and i don't understand people who criticize them. WTF dit they do to you ?
It leads me to my second point. They are a lot of people that you meet every day who are probably gay but for whom you will never know. I've a lot of friend and i'm myself not flamboyant at all (Nobody never guess i'm gay before i come out by myself) who don't go in gay club/bar, don't talk alot about their sexuality, etc...
But as people will never know for all this guys, they will only remember the flamboyant one they meet once a year or they saw on TV, thinking it's what most gay looks like...
Some random answers to questions i saw in this thread (once again, it's my opinion and not the "Gay opinion")
1. I've discovered my homosexuality around 14 (Puberty...), i absolutely haven't any clue before.
At first, I rejected it, and tried to convince myself it was only a physical attirance and that i would fall in love with a girl later. I accepted it around 16 when i developped strong feelings for a guy...
2. There are alot of gay gamer, 3 of my 4 ex-BF were (Loved playing WoW with them xD btw i'm still playing SC2 with one of them)
3. "Gay" and "Faggots" BM don't bother me at all. In fact, when people know about my sexuality, it bother them more than me when they accidentaly call someone "Gay" in front of me :p
4. I'm playing Protoss !
5. On the topic of cute progamer, I found Idra handsome at the last GSL without his glasses.
RotterdaM is quite cute too ^^
PS : Sorry for the bad english :s With this comment I'm just expressing my opinions and I hope I dont receive shit for it.. I'm not against gay people in fact I have a few friends of my own who are gay. But one I thing that I think isn't okay is when gay people talk about straight men and whether they think they're good looking or not. I personally wouldn't be offended by this, but I think a lot of the straight men in the world who might not be fully comfortable with gay people would be really offended or creeped out. I would like to know what the gay people reading my comment think of that, whether they think it's okay, or not okay, or simply dont care about how the guys react to what they're saying. Like I said, I hope I dont get shit for saying this but it's something I noticed and thought it was somewhat inappropriate
Guys seem to talk about girls they think are hot all the time openly (mostly with other guys but sometimes with girls too I guess) and no one seems to think it's really a bad thing, probably because almost everyone is straight. If the tables were turned and gay people were the majority, would you want to be told it's a bad idea for you to talk about girls you think are hot or something like that, just because it would make them uncomfortable or seem strange to other men?
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Hi everyone - I attenended Cape Town Gay Pride this year and wrote a blog about it.
Clicky
Check it out if you're interested!
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Who is the pro-est gay player on the sc2 ladder? who is our leaderrr
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I've been gone for awhile, but this thread was unexpected. I didn't think there were hardly any other gay SC2 players. Anyway, 33 here out since 19.
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Imagine if the only place you could meet girls was an internet forum called "Heterosexuality". You've never seen them in class. You've not seen them on the street. You've never had a conversation with one, you've never even made contact. Man, that would suck.
It does suck.
Wow.
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you have the right to express your sexuality, they have the right to look(and act) like idiots. In that light, I think you should be proud to be american 
They have a right to convince their children that a deity exists, and that this God hates "everyone", "the world", "americans", "fags", "swedes". They tell their children that their sister is going to burn in hell forever for leaving the church?
It's not just people acting like idiots, it's child abuse.
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On March 05 2011 12:01 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2011 12:47 adrenaLinG wrote:
While a lot of "camp" gays are incredibly annoying because they perpetuate stereotypes about gays, they suffer the same marginalization as everyone else. Incredibly annoying why? Because they don't blend in with the straight majority? Why should being 'masculine' be more desirable than being feminine/camp? Uh, because they legitimize stereotypes by heterosexuals that you are supposed to be fighting against?
We're not fighting against that stereotype, rather the point is that not all gays are like that stereotype. The fact that some are isn't a negative.
"All Koreans play Starcraft 2" would be a stereotype. Plenty of Koreans would point out that they do not in fact play Starcraft 2. That doesn't make the ones that do "incredibly annoying" because they're perpetuating the stereotype that all Koreans play Starcraft 2...
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What's it like being `just friends?' (Spoiler for some messy thoughts)
+ Show Spoiler +I have a friend and when we hang out I don't usually feel sexual tension, but sometimes in the back of my mind I think `wait look she has a really nice butt,' and I will compliment her, like I would compliment my male friends about a nice shirt, etc.
I feel that when I am able to say `I'm not sexually attracted to this man/woman' I am able to have a friendship that is slightly more open, and less tense.
In a general sense how easy is it for you to be just friends with another man? Is it easier to be friends with women?
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Good question. I have several straight male friends and I'm not attracted to any of them.
And most of the gay friends I have that I'm attracted to I've slept with.
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On March 08 2011 02:22 ferry wrote:
In a general sense how easy is it for you to be just friends with another man? Is it easier to be friends with women?
Most of my friends are straight men. I would say that I learned pretty quickly how to move people I'm attracted to but have no chance with into the platonic attraction category. I would say it's not really different then what straight guys do for women they are platonic friends with.
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On August 27 2010 21:21 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 21:14 CubEdIn wrote:On August 27 2010 21:09 Mora wrote:On August 27 2010 21:07 CubEdIn wrote:LOL I was so happy to rush-post something about you and incontrol but you obviously saw it coming. So yeah, start with that please. And I'm more interested in how the process of "dating" goes, rather than who gets to be on top first. Incontrol is a sexy motherfucker. And he's a good Starcraft player. 'nuff said. you need to be more specific about the dating question. We date like all other people. We will often drink coffee, go to movies, or go for beers. though it's not unusual to go for walks on the beach either. Oh, that's not really what I meant. I was mostly referring to the fact that in most movies, clips, parodies, etc, they depict the dating scene as just "wham, bam, thank you... sir". Now I know that there are obviously people who date and have long-lasting relationships, but I'm wondering, since it's a relationship between two men, and men are usually willing to have sex a lot easier than women (or not really, but there's no fidgeting regarding this aspect). Or at least that's the impression. Is it really like that, mostly one-night stands? Does sex come first in a relationship? Is it as important as in a heterosexual relationship or is it a lot easier to have great sex? Hmmm... I think that about covers it, there's just too many things that come to mind at once. Hope I'm not over-burdening with questions. As you mentioned, there is a range in the types of relationships that occur. That being said, it's generally a pretty promiscuous bunch. i now know about 10 married gay couples, and all of them have open relationships. I'm more of a 1-night stander kind of guy myself. I have a pretty busy life, and spending extra time on relationship stuff isn't high on the priority list. Don't get me wrong, if i meet someone who's just all kinds of great, then i'd stick around, it's just not what i'm looking for right now. Summer is busier for us in general, but this summer i think my count is 20 or so? (qualifying encounters being ones where at least one person ejaculates). On the day before the Vancouver pride parade i woke up in a hotel room (to my surprise). I roll over to see who has their arm around me and i think who the fuck are you?. lol Then i roll over the other direction... and i say to myself who the fuck are you?and then a 3rd guy walks out of the washroom. i hope i enjoyed that night!
Disgusting, whether you are straight or gay. 20 different ppl in 2 months? Aids incoming
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Statistically gay men have a similar number of sex partners as straight men so for every guy out there who has been with 60 different partners there's someone out there who has been with only 1 or 2.
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Jeez r1ch read the thread I've already posted that 
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that only applies for straight men i reckon. gays would probably merit from looking at another man's chest, i'd wager.
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On March 08 2011 01:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 12:01 adrenaLinG wrote:On March 04 2011 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2011 12:47 adrenaLinG wrote:
While a lot of "camp" gays are incredibly annoying because they perpetuate stereotypes about gays, they suffer the same marginalization as everyone else. Incredibly annoying why? Because they don't blend in with the straight majority? Why should being 'masculine' be more desirable than being feminine/camp? Uh, because they legitimize stereotypes by heterosexuals that you are supposed to be fighting against? We're not fighting against that stereotype, rather the point is that not all gays are like that stereotype. The fact that some are isn't a negative. "All Koreans play Starcraft 2" would be a stereotype. Plenty of Koreans would point out that they do not in fact play Starcraft 2. That doesn't make the ones that do "incredibly annoying" because they're perpetuating the stereotype that all Koreans play Starcraft 2...
I disagree. Many Koreans would be upset if you went up to them talking about Starcraft if you assumed they play, just because they're Korean. Especially if playing Starcraft meant that people teased them about it, the same way acting flamboyant gets jokes from straight dudes. So yes, it would be incredibly annoying, if playing Starcraft was a bad thing -- how would you feel if you were one of the Koreans that didn't play and everyone always made fun of you for it?
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