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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What bothers me is how almost every tweeny in the middle school I went to tossed around gay like it was a way to describe someone they didn't like, and half the time they didn't even give thought to what it actually meant. I was always on the tips of the bell curve, so to speak, I was (and am, but recounting the story in past tense  ) very intelligent, which made me a HUGE target for the assholes in my grade. It was very simple for them to just pull me down, rather then try to beat me straight up.Because of this, I became easy prey. I had rather long hair, nerdy day[9]ish glasses, and liked deep purple (very royal and kingly, you know?). No six pack either, which made locker rooms oh so fun. The neighborhood bullies could just label me as gay, making snide remarks about how I like "girl colors" and like to suck dick in my free time or whatnot. Now, one or two guys making comments wouldn't bother me, because I could get back at them when they shamefully try to hide their D's and I get an astounding A+ or A. (not Iccup unfortunately :D) However, It was a huge problem for me because I had no friends. None, not one person who shared the same interests that I did and had the same level of maturity. These kids were like SIX YEAR OLDS. They made sex jokes at every possible opportunity, and made cheesy "that's what she said jokes every which way. In the words of Day[J], these kids were the NOT FUNNY kids. I tried to be the Nice guy, who made everyone feel good. It didn't help that I felt like I was pulling ahead of the class academically, and while it took me only a few days of practice to grasp a concept, but there was always the idiot who was essentially asking the teacher where the spacebar was, and couldn't wrap his simian brain around Square roots (wtf?) It's not fun to deal with kids who use gay without any knowledge or respect to what it actually means. around puberty is when kids go nearly insane with the new material, and... yeah. I'm heterosexual, btw. | ||
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jarrydesque
584 Posts
On March 09 2011 16:46 exploding.godhand wrote: Rant: + Show Spoiler + What bothers me is how almost every tweeny in the middle school I went to tossed around gay like it was a way to describe someone they didn't like, and half the time they didn't even give thought to what it actually meant. I was always on the tips of the bell curve, so to speak, I was (and am, but recounting the story in past tense ) very intelligent, which made me a HUGE target for the assholes in my grade. It was very simple for them to just pull me down, rather then try to beat me straight up.Because of this, I became easy prey. I had rather long hair, nerdy day[9]ish glasses, and liked deep purple (very royal and kingly, you know?). No six pack either, which made locker rooms oh so fun. The neighborhood bullies could just label me as gay, making snide remarks about how I like "girl colors" and like to suck dick in my free time or whatnot. Now, one or two guys making comments wouldn't bother me, because I could get back at them when they shamefully try to hide their D's and I get an astounding A+ or A. (not Iccup unfortunately :D) However, It was a huge problem for me because I had no friends. None, not one person who shared the same interests that I did and had the same level of maturity. These kids were like SIX YEAR OLDS. They made sex jokes at every possible opportunity, and made cheesy "that's what she said jokes every which way. In the words of Day[J], these kids were the NOT FUNNY kids. I tried to be the Nice guy, who made everyone feel good. It didn't help that I felt like I was pulling ahead of the class academically, and while it took me only a few days of practice to grasp a concept, but there was always the idiot who was essentially asking the teacher where the spacebar was, and couldn't wrap his simian brain around Square roots (wtf?) It's not fun to deal with kids who use gay without any knowledge or respect to what it actually means. around puberty is when kids go nearly insane with the new material, and... yeah. I'm heterosexual, btw. Very sorry to hear this - Being a victim of bullying is no fun at all and is a seriously problem, gay aside. By the sound of it though, you were on top of it and didn't doubt your own superiority, which is great but getting through such a difficult thing is tough, even with good friends. The only thing one can really say about bullying is that it passes. There was a video linked a couple of pages ago that maybe you saw. And all it says is that you'll eventually be out of high school and those idiots are going to get smacked in the face with life where they can't simply intimidate anyone they like. Bringing it back to the gay side of the world, this is something that many, many, many young guys go through. With a strong self esteem, you can try and bounce bullying off you for the most part, but when going through the very difficult "coming out" process your self esteem is at an all time low - you essentially hate yourself, so bullying really can cause serious issues. Though, to turn this into something positive, what advice would you give someone who is reading this who is in your position? Gay or not, bullying is a problem that many kids encounter. | ||
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brum
Hungary187 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On March 09 2011 16:28 DyEnasTy wrote: I have a question. I am straight, so this is from straight guys talking about homosexuality in our area. Please forgive me for possibly being politically incorrect or maybe mistaken in what ive seen. I was wondering why is perfectly ok to have a rainbow colored "Celebrate Diversity" sticker on ones car, but you get all kinds of hate if you have a black and white "Celebrate Originality" sticker? I see over and over when a straight guy is proud of being straight he gets a ridiculous amount of hate for it, but if a straight guy starts "hating" or what not on a gay guy its sooooo wrong? I think in situations like that it shouldnt be so hipocritical. I in no way support bashing in any way against any group. The first experience with this is at my local highschool. Its ok to wave rainbow colored flags and have "Celebrate Diversity", gay parades ect. But a guy had a black and white "Celebrate Originality" sticker on his truck and was forced to remove it or be expelled. Other straight guys in the school were even "hated" on for wanting to hold a "straight" rally off campus. In my point of view it seems very one sided that one group (whether or not is wrong isnt the topic here) can verbally attack the other and not vice versa? Please someone give me a reason other than "thats how it is". Which I hear over and over. It's been discussed in this thread, but essentially the answer is that gay pride is a reaction to prejudice. In my opinion, if there was no history of oppression of homosexuals and a pervading bigotry even today then you wouldn't see rainbow flags and gay pride marches. If you go around claiming to be 'straight and proud' it's just fucking weird because there is no history of prejudice against straight people. The very idea is absurd as the vast majority of people are straight. It's the 'norm'. Being proud of being part of the vast, powerful majority as opposed to the small, historically hated minority comes off as implied prejudice even if that is not the intention. That, I'm afraid, is how it is.  (I don't know why that guy got threatened with expulsion for having 'Celebrate Originality' on his car. Am I missing something, does that mean something I don't know?) This is like the third time I've given this response, I might just start quoting myself if it keeps coming up. | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On March 08 2011 19:28 sotmh wrote: Yes, but you understand that your words sound strikingly similar to 'Don't shove your lifestyle down my throat,' and 'Why can't you just stay in the closet?'. You wanting them to stop engaging in behavior for the simple reason that it offends you is, well, pretty close to the same thing that gay people have heard from social conservatives. And this. I'm just going to assume this is naivete. I'm not the stereotype, I'm not effeminate, people are surprised to learn I'm gay, yadda, yadda, yadda and yet: 1. I've been threatened. 2. I've been called a faggot by guys who meant it and meant to backup those words with violence. 3. I've been denied housing for being gay. 4. I nearly lost a job because my employer thought I might be gay (not my present job, but a previous one). And this is all within the last 14 years. These problems were not visited upon me because I acted flamboyantly, they happened because bigoted people were in a position to exercise their power on someone who they thought was unusual. They didn't even care if I really was gay or not, just the suspicion was enough because I was: 1. Walking in front of the gay youth center in town. 2. Walking out of a restaurant with another man. 3. Tried to rent a house with my boyfriend. 4. It's complicated, but I don't discuss my personal life at work, my employer was just a jerk. What you are doing is called blaming the victim. How am I blaming the victim? I'm sorry to hear about all that but yes, I went to school with mostly muslim teens(stereotyping, very hypocritical I know but due their religion they often have more problems with homosexuality than Dutch teens) and I've been insulted, I've been called a faggot. That's not what my post was about, AT ALL. I'm not asking anyone to stay in the closet, in fact, anyone who's in the closet should come out to their family/friends since they'll feel a lot better about themselves. What I'm saying is there's no need to act the way some homosexual people do. You can be yourself as I said, you don't have to go to great lengths to make it painfully obvious to everyone in the world you're gay. I'm sure they'd be fine with it if you told them later on. Just like I'm fine with people who have certain beliefs if they tell me, don't rub my entire face in it by acting obnoxious. On March 09 2011 02:23 The KY wrote: 'I don't mind gay people, I just hate how some people are in your face about it.' I hear this sentence a lot. Usually it translates to; 'I do have a problem with homosexuality, but if it's kept hidden I don't mind.' But even when that isn't the case, it still gets on my nerves. What's wrong with people acting how they like? What's actually wrong with making homosexuality a significant part of your personality? If it's none of your business if people are gay, why is it your business if they choose to act in a certain way? If flamboyance annoys you, well tough shit some people are flamboyant. (This is not directed at anyone in this thread, just venting) As this can go both ways. Tough shit, some people can't stand it. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
As this can go both ways. Tough shit, some people can't stand it. The point is that if you have a problem with people acting in a certain way that does not in fact harm you or anyone else then it is very much your problem. That's the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On March 09 2011 21:58 The KY wrote: The point is that if you have a problem with people acting in a certain way that does not in fact harm you or anyone else then it is very much your problem. That's the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying it isn't my problem, "just venting" right? Quite frankly I see it as a negative thing because it has a negative effect on the way people view gay people and I'd rather not be associated that kind of stereotype. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On March 09 2011 21:40 The KY wrote: It's been discussed in this thread, but essentially the answer is that gay pride is a reaction to prejudice. In my opinion, if there was no history of oppression of homosexuals and a pervading bigotry even today then you wouldn't see rainbow flags and gay pride marches. If you go around claiming to be 'straight and proud' it's just fucking weird because there is no history of prejudice against straight people. The very idea is absurd as the vast majority of people are straight. It's the 'norm'. Being proud of being part of the vast, powerful majority as opposed to the small, historically hated minority comes off as implied prejudice even if that is not the intention. That, I'm afraid, is how it is. (I don't know why that guy got threatened with expulsion for having 'Celebrate Originality' on his car. Am I missing something, does that mean something I don't know?) This is like the third time I've given this response, I might just start quoting myself if it keeps coming up. His "Celebrate Originality" sticker implied that the original purpose is for a man and woman to be together not 2 members of the same sex. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:04 dunc wrote: I'm not saying it isn't my problem, "just venting" right? Quite frankly I see it as a negative thing because it has a negative effect on the way people view gay people and I'd rather not be associated that kind of stereotype. Some lovely logic-fail. Because A doesn't like B, B is bad! Uh, what? If a buttload of people suddenly got an irrational hatred of carrots, does that make carrots bad? No, it makes the people hating them for no reason morons. | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:20 marvellosity wrote: Some lovely logic-fail. Because A doesn't like B, B is bad! Uh, what? If a buttload of people suddenly got an irrational hatred of carrots, does that make carrots bad? No, it makes the people hating them for no reason morons. It's not failure logic at all. I can relate to people being annoyed with gay people because the "stereotype gay" is beyond annoying. Not sure how not liking something makes someone a moron, but if not wanting to put up with people who feel the absolute need to pull attention to themselves makes me a moron I'd gladly be one. | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On March 09 2011 21:44 dunc wrote: How am I blaming the victim? I'm sorry to hear about all that but yes, I went to school with mostly muslim teens(stereotyping, very hypocritical I know but due their religion they often have more problems with homosexuality than Dutch teens) and I've been insulted, I've been called a faggot. That's not what my post was about, AT ALL. I'm not asking anyone to stay in the closet, in fact, anyone who's in the closet should come out to their family/friends since they'll feel a lot better about themselves. What I'm saying is there's no need to act the way some homosexual people do. You can be yourself as I said, you don't have to go to great lengths to make it painfully obvious to everyone in the world you're gay. I'm sure they'd be fine with it if you told them later on. Just like I'm fine with people who have certain beliefs if they tell me, don't rub my entire face in it by acting obnoxious. As this can go both ways. Tough shit, some people can't stand it. Maybe they are being themselves and you're going about it all wrong  | ||
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:34 Cutlery wrote: Maybe they are being themselves and you're going about it all wrong This. You seem to be suggesting the way they're acting is anything but how they want to act. They're not doing it because they're insecure about being gay, they're dong it because that's how they want to act. And sure you may not like it, but in that case you could bring up all the other people who act like jerks. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
I sometimes the word "gay" or other similar words to describe something I think is lame. I don't feel like I'm making any reference to homosexuality when I do this, and I sort of feel that those words have evolved to the point where they can no longer have a connection to homosexuality in some contexts? (There was a South Park episode about this very sentiment, the one where the kids called a biker gang "fags" because they were annoying with their loud bikes, not giving any thought to what this "slur" might mean to homosexuals) Any opinions on these words? | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On March 09 2011 23:05 Zorkmid wrote: I'm not sure if this is the place to ask this, but I'm sure some frequenting this thread will have an opinion. I sometimes the word "gay" or other similar words to describe something I think is lame. I don't feel like I'm making any reference to homosexuality when I do this, and I sort of feel that those words have evolved to the point where they can no longer have a connection to homosexuality in some contexts? (There was a South Park episode about this very sentiment, the one where the kids called a biker gang "fags" because they were annoying with their loud bikes, not giving any thought to what this "slur" might mean to homosexuals) Any opinions on these words? I call things gay a lot, it's just something people grow up with really and hard to break the habit. I don't find it offensive at all. | ||
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Raii
Philippines194 Posts
 This proves that SC is the best game of all time. Damn right it is. | ||
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Bortlett
United States302 Posts
On March 09 2011 23:05 Zorkmid wrote: I sometimes the word "gay" or other similar words to describe something I think is lame. I don't feel like I'm making any reference to homosexuality when I do this, and I sort of feel that those words have evolved to the point where they can no longer have a connection to homosexuality in some contexts? Any opinions on these words? This has been answered multiple times in this thread but I'll answer anyway. I disagree, homosexuals are still oppressed in many areas of the world (including sometimes in America) and do not have equal rights yet. The origin still comes from associating homosexuality with something negative. This word can still be hurtful, particularly those who are struggling with their sexuality or even those who are out. White people using the N word is still generally offensive, even though blacks have had equal rights for some time now. It's your choice whether to use it or not. But it's not a valid justification in my opinion that the word has "evolved" beyond its origins. | ||
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TheWoodLeagueAllstar
United Kingdom617 Posts
On March 09 2011 23:41 Raii wrote: I'm homophobic and whatnot, but I respect having members of the LGBT community playing SC. It makes the SC world that much more vibrant and colorful This proves that SC is the best game of all time. Damn right it is. Not sure this is what you meant to say brother ;D | ||
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wingweaver415
United States66 Posts
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Thallis
United States314 Posts
On March 09 2011 16:29 adrenaLinG wrote: Hey homies, which one of you is responsible for this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199397 Also who else thinks OGSMC is totally cute Not a fan. Marine King, however, is another story. | ||
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