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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On February 24 2011 19:32 hiawatha wrote: How does homophobia in South Korea compare to Japan, another first world, East Asian, relatively irreligious nation? It's hard to generalize on this issue. On the other hand, I can imagine Japanese being totally homophobic; what else would you expect from a nation hurt so much by Enola Gay? | ||
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Raii
Philippines194 Posts
On March 10 2011 01:26 Frack wrote: Not sure this is what you meant to say brother ;D Wait uhh I think I meant "a bit scared of homos". Either way, I stand by my statement  | ||
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TNTTurboWasp
6 Posts
On March 10 2011 20:50 Raii wrote: Wait uhh I think I meant "a bit scared of homos". Either way, I stand by my statement Don't worry we don't bite  Unless your into that kind of thing  | ||
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DarkwindHK
Hong Kong343 Posts
On March 09 2011 16:46 exploding.godhand wrote: Rant: + Show Spoiler + What bothers me is how almost every tweeny in the middle school I went to tossed around gay like it was a way to describe someone they didn't like, and half the time they didn't even give thought to what it actually meant. I was always on the tips of the bell curve, so to speak, I was (and am, but recounting the story in past tense  ) very intelligent, which made me a HUGE target for the assholes in my grade. It was very simple for them to just pull me down, rather then try to beat me straight up.Because of this, I became easy prey. I had rather long hair, nerdy day[9]ish glasses, and liked deep purple (very royal and kingly, you know?). No six pack either, which made locker rooms oh so fun. The neighborhood bullies could just label me as gay, making snide remarks about how I like "girl colors" and like to suck dick in my free time or whatnot. Now, one or two guys making comments wouldn't bother me, because I could get back at them when they shamefully try to hide their D's and I get an astounding A+ or A. (not Iccup unfortunately :D) However, It was a huge problem for me because I had no friends. None, not one person who shared the same interests that I did and had the same level of maturity. These kids were like SIX YEAR OLDS. They made sex jokes at every possible opportunity, and made cheesy "that's what she said jokes every which way. In the words of Day[J], these kids were the NOT FUNNY kids. I tried to be the Nice guy, who made everyone feel good. It didn't help that I felt like I was pulling ahead of the class academically, and while it took me only a few days of practice to grasp a concept, but there was always the idiot who was essentially asking the teacher where the spacebar was, and couldn't wrap his simian brain around Square roots (wtf?) It's not fun to deal with kids who use gay without any knowledge or respect to what it actually means. around puberty is when kids go nearly insane with the new material, and... yeah. I'm heterosexual, btw. This is really bad and also really different from the schools in East Asia, I cannot imagine that happening here at least. Cultural difference is a really showing here, I guess its because in Chinese/ Sinosphere culture; being masculine is not about acting tough and having big muscles. Anyways I can safely assume over 70% of the guys (during school years) here do not have six packs, most people love to play video games and it is very common for guys to buy luxury branded clothing and bags... Parents only care about your school grades and discourage spending time in "too much sports" anyways. Hence the end result is much less hate and much less trouble growing up gay. Yes there may be some bullies, but it will rarely be as bad as that. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On March 11 2011 13:29 DarkwindHK wrote: This is really bad and also really different from the schools in East Asia, I cannot imagine that happening here at least. Cultural difference is a really showing here, I guess its because in Chinese/ Sinosphere culture; being masculine is not about acting tough and having big muscles. Anyways I can safely assume over 70% of the guys (during school years) here do not have six packs, most people love to play video games and it is very common for guys to buy luxury branded clothing and bags... Parents only care about your school grades and discourage spending time in "too much sports" anyways. Hence the end result is much less hate and much less trouble growing up gay. Yes there may be some bullies, but it will rarely be as bad as that. As an American, I'd like to chime in here too. While our movies and TV would have you believe being masculine is indeed about being a "tough guy," that's really not a big issue. Most of the people who throw the words fag and gay around as regular descriptors aren't actually homophobic; they're ignorant. Sure, people in the States are pretty anti-gay when it comes to marriage and the likes, but as a whole, the US (and its masculine-ideal based culture) isn't really any more bigoted than the rest of the world save for Europe and some of South America. It's just a stupid behavior that stems from ignorance, and it'll be gone in a generation. | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On March 10 2011 18:06 popzags wrote: It's hard to generalize on this issue. On the other hand, I can imagine Japanese being totally homophobic; what else would you expect from a nation hurt so much by Enola Gay? Haha I cannot tell whether this is absolutely brilliant or completely morbid. | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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DarkGeneral
Canada328 Posts
Its just the way it comes across to me, pure opinion, though I have a feeling I may not be alone. I have no problems with homosexual people. Gay players are no different than other players. What does sexual preference have anything to do with Starcraft? If you are looking to get a sub-community together, which is fine and noble, referring to yourself as the local queer is derogatory and counter intuitive. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:59 DarkGeneral wrote: Gonna be blunt, starting your article with "My name is Mora. I am the local queer Starcraft player" not only undermines what you have to say, but it may even imply that you are looking for attention, trying to incite arguments, or bait for trolls. Its just the way it comes across to me, pure opinion, though I have a feeling I may not be alone. I have no problems with homosexual people. Gay players are no different than other players. What does sexual preference have anything to do with Starcraft? If you are looking to get a sub-community together, which is fine and noble, referring to yourself as the local queer is derogatory and counter intuitive. Mora's pretty well known in the community, and everyone knows he's gay. I think that's all he meant | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: I have a quick, genuine question, that might be offensive. But seriously, I do mean no harm, except i'm just really really curious. Personally, I do not like homosexuality. I mean, I have gay friends (I was in couple hiphop dance teams, and there will be always 1-4 gay guys at any given time), some of them fairly close. However, I do not like the idea of homosexuality, as it disgusts me, and I generally dislike homosexuals, because 1) I can't wrap my head around sucking another dude's dick and 2) flamboyant gay guys annoy the living hell out of me. It's not meant to be offensive, just honest. Now, do I feel like I'm in a wrong? Slightly. Am I ever going to change this point-of-view? Probably not. Do I want to understand them a little better? Hell yes! Honestly, I would not go out of my WAY to look for a gay friend, but I've made gay friends that I'm really cool with. So the question is, what do you gay guys think of someone like me who dislikes gay people/homosexuality in general, but willing to look past their homosexuality? I know it sounds really fucked up, so I apologize in advance if this post made you feel offended. _FAKE EDIT_ I know you can be racist against black people, but still have black friends. This implies that I can be homophobic, but still have gay friends. Do I consider myself homophobic? In all honesty, yes. (No, I'm not fucking trolling, I'm trying to admit what type of person I am - you can disagree with it if you want, and feel free to voice your opinion, as I am potentially saying stuff that might be insensitive.) Would I hang out with gay person and be cool with it? yes All I get from this post is that you're not homophobic per se, you just don't like the idea behind certain things. Which is fine, people are free to have their opinion and considering you're not discriminating I don't see any problem. You're not turning away any friends because you're ignorant and look down on homosexuality, you do not spread hate about being against homosexuality. You just don't like the idea behind it. I often consider myself homophobic and I'm gay. | ||
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PHedemark
Denmark37 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: I have a quick, genuine question, that might be offensive. But seriously, I do mean no harm, except i'm just really really curious. Personally, I do not like homosexuality. I mean, I have gay friends (I was in couple hiphop dance teams, and there will be always 1-4 gay guys at any given time), some of them fairly close. However, I do not like the idea of homosexuality, as it disgusts me, and I generally dislike homosexuals, because 1) I can't wrap my head around sucking another dude's dick and 2) flamboyant gay guys annoy the living hell out of me. It's not meant to be offensive, just honest. Now, do I feel like I'm in a wrong? Slightly. Am I ever going to change this point-of-view? Probably not. Do I want to understand them a little better? Hell yes! Honestly, I would not go out of my WAY to look for a gay friend, but I've made gay friends that I'm really cool with. So the question is, what do you gay guys think of someone like me who dislikes gay people/homosexuality in general, but willing to look past their homosexuality? I know it sounds really fucked up, so I apologize in advance if this post made you feel offended. _FAKE EDIT_ I know you can be racist against black people, but still have black friends. This implies that I can be homophobic, but still have gay friends. Do I consider myself homophobic? In all honesty, yes. (No, I'm not fucking trolling, I'm trying to admit what type of person I am - you can disagree with it if you want, and feel free to voice your opinion, as I am potentially saying stuff that might be insensitive.) Would I hang out with gay person and be cool with it? yes I just generally can't understand this view of "they do something disgusting to me, ergo I don't like them." If I knew someone that enjoyed eating live tarantulas, that wouldn't make me dislike them as people; I just wouldn't want to eat live tarantulas with them. | ||
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sotmh
United States41 Posts
I just generally can't understand this view of "they do something disgusting to me, ergo I don't like them." If I knew someone that enjoyed eating live tarantulas, that wouldn't make me dislike them as people; I just wouldn't want to eat live tarantulas with them. I dunno, I have a pet tarantula, so I don't think I could be friends with someone who enjoyed eating live tarantulas. What if he wanted to eat my pet? I know people who eat live tarantulas can't control their tarantula-eating urges. I'm kidding, of course, but that's the impression I get from my secular friends who express an intrinsic dislike of gay men. I really do have a pet tarantula though. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Cut to save space. I'm not really offended, more saddened, being gay isn't just about carnal acts to people of the same sex, its also about love, something that the majority of the world feel at some point, and saying that the idea of people not wanting to alone in the world disgusts you, implies a moral judgement to me, however and this is a big however, from the other things you have said, it seems that while find the whole business repulsive, you recognise you don't have the right to limit such actions. Could you and a gay guy ever be friends? maybe, but I think that a continuing effort to understand your friends sexuality would be the basis for any friendship. Its not like eating live spiders, being gay is an irreducible part of who you are, and I would go as far to say that denying it, is unhealthy. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On March 20 2011 23:36 sotmh wrote: I dunno, I have a pet tarantula, so I don't think I could be friends with someone who enjoyed eating live tarantulas. What if he wanted to eat my pet? I know people who eat live tarantulas can't control their tarantula-eating urges. I'm kidding, of course, but that's the impression I get from my secular friends who express an intrinsic dislike of gay men. I really do have a pet tarantula though. roflrofl, I love overextended metaphors so much But yeah, I understand what you're saying, but it didn't seem that that was the sentiment that RK was expressing. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
On March 20 2011 23:56 Kerotan wrote: Its not like eating live spiders, being gay is an irreducible part of who you are, and I would go as far to say that denying it, is unhealthy. Absolutely. I agree totally. Anyone denying something huge like their sexuality is very unhealthy. It leads to depression / confusion / anger / etc. All states of mind that make life tough to deal with, and makes developing relationships even harder. I find it difficult to make friends with people who're depressed or angry. I find it very easy to be friends with a happy gay person. A person's sexuality (like their religion) is really no one's business except for their own, and rarely has an impact on their ability to make friends as long as they're in balance with themselves. Don't be ashamed of who you are, the world is progressive. The old phobic generations are disappearing, life will get easier for you guys / girls. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for going all Oprah on this thread. | ||
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mvpAKAenvyME
Canada179 Posts
On August 27 2010 21:21 Mora wrote: As you mentioned, there is a range in the types of relationships that occur. That being said, it's generally a pretty promiscuous bunch. i now know about 10 married gay couples, and all of them have open relationships. I'm more of a 1-night stander kind of guy myself. I have a pretty busy life, and spending extra time on relationship stuff isn't high on the priority list. Don't get me wrong, if i meet someone who's just all kinds of great, then i'd stick around, it's just not what i'm looking for right now. Summer is busier for us in general, but this summer i think my count is 20 or so? (qualifying encounters being ones where at least one person ejaculates). On the day before the Vancouver pride parade i woke up in a hotel room (to my surprise). I roll over to see who has their arm around me and i think who the fuck are you?. lol Then i roll over the other direction... and i say to myself who the fuck are you? and then a 3rd guy walks out of the washroom. i hope i enjoyed that night! theres a website for this. it's called plenty of fish, you can create a profile, put your likes and dislikes in it as well. i for one am not really interested in coming on team liquid and seeing posts about sexuality. it doesn't interest me, nor anyone else really. and this isn't really the place to be looking for a one night stand imo. | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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sotmh
United States41 Posts
On March 21 2011 17:27 randomKo_Orean wrote: When I was just a tad younger (think 2-3 years ago), when I talked to other gay guys that I was relatively comfortable talking with, I told them "1) Yeah, you're gay, but I don't mind, you're cool, lets be friends etc. etc. etc... BUT 2) I still think homosexuality, on the whole, is morally wrong," and I'm trying to understand what compelled to answer the way they did, such as "Oh, it sucks to hear that, but yeah, we can still be really cool and hang out and stuff," instead of lashing out and telling me to go fuck myself). From my experience, sharing my life with people around me has a tendency to, over time, allow them to see that my life experiences, my goals and dreams, are not different from their own. It humanizes me more in their eyes and legitimizes me. I've known die-hard anti-gay, homophobic people who are now some of the strongest supporters of gay-rights just because they had a friend or family member who was gay. The change didn't happen quickly, but took many years in some cases. I don't know why your gay friends responded that way, but maybe that's a part of it. | ||
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