Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion.
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Cut to save space.
I'm not really offended, more saddened, being gay isn't just about carnal acts to people of the same sex, its also about love, something that the majority of the world feel at some point, and saying that the idea of people not wanting to alone in the world disgusts you, implies a moral judgement to me, however and this is a big however, from the other things you have said, it seems that while find the whole business repulsive, you recognise you don't have the right to limit such actions.
Would you feel that I am passing moral judgement on you? If I was on your shoes, I'd probably feel the same way.
And let's pretend the answer is "yes." Then what would I be to you, with everything else held constant (about what I said about myself)? An ignorant douchebag? A fucking dumbass? A hater? An asshole?
When I was just a tad younger (think 2-3 years ago), when I talked to other gay guys that I was relatively comfortable talking with, I told them "1) Yeah, you're gay, but I don't mind, you're cool, lets be friends etc. etc. etc... BUT 2) I still think homosexuality, on the whole, is morally wrong," and I'm trying to understand what compelled to answer the way they did, such as "Oh, it sucks to hear that, but yeah, we can still be really cool and hang out and stuff," instead of lashing out and telling me to go fuck myself).
I'm just really confused about your point of view. You say that you view homosexuality as morally wrong, but earlier you sort of said that you view your own view as wrong, so it ends up sounding like this whole paradoxical cognitive dissonance complex thing.
You say that you have a problem with homosexuality, but your prejudice against it seems to have no actual effect on how you view people or deal with them. So, I dunno. You just seem mostly closed-minded to me. For whatever reason (it seems like you have pretty much no reason), you have this opinion that you hold and refuse to change, even though it seems to me that even you believe it's wrong. I just don't get that. Forget understanding how gays think; I'm curious about how you think...
On March 22 2011 02:23 matjlav wrote: You say that you have a problem with homosexuality, but your prejudice against it seems to have no actual effect on how you view people or deal with them.
You seem to see a problem with treating people equally? -_-
On March 22 2011 02:23 matjlav wrote: So, I dunno. You just seem mostly closed-minded to me. For whatever reason (it seems like you have pretty much no reason), you have this opinion that you hold and refuse to change, even though it seems to me that even you believe it's wrong. I just don't get that. Forget understanding how gays think; I'm curious about how you think...
Love your enemies man. thats what IM thinking, but this is my first post in the thread...
On March 22 2011 02:23 matjlav wrote: You say that you have a problem with homosexuality, but your prejudice against it seems to have no actual effect on how you view people or deal with them.
You seem to see a problem with treating people equally? -_-
No, I don't. I'd certainly rather he treat people equally than not, but it definitely makes a lot less sense to me when you don't consider them as equal.
On March 22 2011 02:23 matjlav wrote: So, I dunno. You just seem mostly closed-minded to me. For whatever reason (it seems like you have pretty much no reason), you have this opinion that you hold and refuse to change, even though it seems to me that even you believe it's wrong. I just don't get that. Forget understanding how gays think; I'm curious about how you think...
Love your enemies man. thats what IM thinking, but this is my first post in the thread...
seriously, what is close-minded??
It's not just that he says "I think homosexuality is wrong, but I will hang out with gay people in spite of that"; it's that he says "I think homosexuality is wrong, but I feel like I'm slightly in the wrong about it." That just doesn't even make sense.
The idea that I'm getting from it is that homosexuality just weirds him out, so he's decided to say that he's morally against it so that he feels like he has a better reason for being against homosexuality than "eww." Especially since he's said in other threads that he has no problems with lesbians...
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Cut to save space.
I'm not really offended, more saddened, being gay isn't just about carnal acts to people of the same sex, its also about love, something that the majority of the world feel at some point, and saying that the idea of people not wanting to alone in the world disgusts you, implies a moral judgement to me, however and this is a big however, from the other things you have said, it seems that while find the whole business repulsive, you recognise you don't have the right to limit such actions.
Would you feel that I am passing moral judgement on you? If I was on your shoes, I'd probably feel the same way.
And let's pretend the answer is "yes." Then what would I be to you, with everything else held constant (about what I said about myself)? An ignorant douchebag? A fucking dumbass? A hater? An asshole?
When I was just a tad younger (think 2-3 years ago), when I talked to other gay guys that I was relatively comfortable talking with, I told them "1) Yeah, you're gay, but I don't mind, you're cool, lets be friends etc. etc. etc... BUT 2) I still think homosexuality, on the whole, is morally wrong," and I'm trying to understand what compelled to answer the way they did, such as "Oh, it sucks to hear that, but yeah, we can still be really cool and hang out and stuff," instead of lashing out and telling me to go fuck myself).
Hmmm, your views of homosexuality as they are, are a contradiction, the maxim is "being gay is okay and also not okay". The answer to why the gay people you know answered in that way is clear to me, its because there can be friendly homophobes. They are either lieing to you when they say they still want to be cool with you, or in fact you do actually have some redeeming qualities that make you good to hang out with.
Put it this way, I'm at a party and a guy comes up to me, and his opening gambit is "I don't mind the gays, but I still think what they do is morally wrong.", I would tell him to fuck off.
However, and drawing from real life experience, I currently know a guy who will remain nameless, and while he says he is okay with me being gay, it comes off in a manner that is awkward and suggests he isn't actually okay with it. I've known him for a while and we share alot of interests in common, which makes it alot easier to get around his (perhaps) disguised homophobia.
Since we live in a world where some people are homophobic, and since it's probably very difficult if not impossible for anyone to truely let get of that completely, surely it is a good sign to see people who aren't ok with it trying to politely put it aside and treat everyone equally as much as possible regardless of how they may feel? I can't imagine anyone in real life bringing it up either, except around gay friends they respect enough to be honest too, which also seem like a positive thing to me.
For clarity I'm definately not homophobic, that's just my take on things reading through the last bit of the discussion in this thread, but maybe I'm just naïve.
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Cut to save space.
I'm not really offended, more saddened, being gay isn't just about carnal acts to people of the same sex, its also about love, something that the majority of the world feel at some point, and saying that the idea of people not wanting to alone in the world disgusts you, implies a moral judgement to me, however and this is a big however, from the other things you have said, it seems that while find the whole business repulsive, you recognise you don't have the right to limit such actions.
Would you feel that I am passing moral judgement on you? If I was on your shoes, I'd probably feel the same way.
And let's pretend the answer is "yes." Then what would I be to you, with everything else held constant (about what I said about myself)? An ignorant douchebag? A fucking dumbass? A hater? An asshole?
When I was just a tad younger (think 2-3 years ago), when I talked to other gay guys that I was relatively comfortable talking with, I told them "1) Yeah, you're gay, but I don't mind, you're cool, lets be friends etc. etc. etc... BUT 2) I still think homosexuality, on the whole, is morally wrong," and I'm trying to understand what compelled to answer the way they did, such as "Oh, it sucks to hear that, but yeah, we can still be really cool and hang out and stuff," instead of lashing out and telling me to go fuck myself).
Hmmm, your views of homosexuality as they are, are a contradiction, the maxim is "being gay is okay and also not okay". The answer to why the gay people you know answered in that way is clear to me, its because there can be friendly homophobes. They are either lieing to you when they say they still want to be cool with you, or in fact you do actually have some redeeming qualities that make you good to hang out with.
Put it this way, I'm at a party and a guy comes up to me, and his opening gambit is "I don't mind the gays, but I still think what they do is morally wrong.", I would tell him to fuck off.
However, and drawing from real life experience, I currently know a guy who will remain nameless, and while he says he is okay with me being gay, it comes off in a manner that is awkward and suggests he isn't actually okay with it. I've known him for a while and we share alot of interests in common, which makes it alot easier to get around his (perhaps) disguised homophobia.
You can be friends with people you disagree with you know. I have many friends who smoke and I am totally against it. But we're cool. Just because someone doesn't agree with homosexuality and believe it is wrong doesn't warrant you to tell them to F off.
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Cut to save space.
I'm not really offended, more saddened, being gay isn't just about carnal acts to people of the same sex, its also about love, something that the majority of the world feel at some point, and saying that the idea of people not wanting to alone in the world disgusts you, implies a moral judgement to me, however and this is a big however, from the other things you have said, it seems that while find the whole business repulsive, you recognise you don't have the right to limit such actions.
Would you feel that I am passing moral judgement on you? If I was on your shoes, I'd probably feel the same way.
And let's pretend the answer is "yes." Then what would I be to you, with everything else held constant (about what I said about myself)? An ignorant douchebag? A fucking dumbass? A hater? An asshole?
When I was just a tad younger (think 2-3 years ago), when I talked to other gay guys that I was relatively comfortable talking with, I told them "1) Yeah, you're gay, but I don't mind, you're cool, lets be friends etc. etc. etc... BUT 2) I still think homosexuality, on the whole, is morally wrong," and I'm trying to understand what compelled to answer the way they did, such as "Oh, it sucks to hear that, but yeah, we can still be really cool and hang out and stuff," instead of lashing out and telling me to go fuck myself).
Hmmm, your views of homosexuality as they are, are a contradiction, the maxim is "being gay is okay and also not okay". The answer to why the gay people you know answered in that way is clear to me, its because there can be friendly homophobes. They are either lieing to you when they say they still want to be cool with you, or in fact you do actually have some redeeming qualities that make you good to hang out with.
Put it this way, I'm at a party and a guy comes up to me, and his opening gambit is "I don't mind the gays, but I still think what they do is morally wrong.", I would tell him to fuck off.
However, and drawing from real life experience, I currently know a guy who will remain nameless, and while he says he is okay with me being gay, it comes off in a manner that is awkward and suggests he isn't actually okay with it. I've known him for a while and we share alot of interests in common, which makes it alot easier to get around his (perhaps) disguised homophobia.
You can be friends with people you disagree with you know. I have many friends who smoke and I am totally against it. But we're cool. Just because someone doesn't agree with homosexuality and believe it is wrong doesn't warrant you to tell them to F off.
I disagree; I think it's totally justified to tell someone off for being homophobic. I hold homophobes in the same regard as I hold racists. I just tend to be a little more merciful in the former case because lots of people have been unfortunately raised to have a homophobic attitude.
But I think what Kerotan is getting at is that there's a difference between someone that brings it up to you after getting to know you first and someone that just opens up with "Hi, I think your lifestyle is morally reprehensible!"
That's actually a pretty powerful song. I generally don't even enjoy this genre, but the song itself was amazing, and the meaning behind it just gave it incredible power.
On August 27 2010 21:07 CubEdIn wrote: LOL I was so happy to rush-post something about you and incontrol but you obviously saw it coming.
So yeah, start with that please. And I'm more interested in how the process of "dating" goes, rather than who gets to be on top first.
Incontrol is a sexy motherfucker. And he's a good Starcraft player. 'nuff said.
you need to be more specific about the dating question. We date like all other people. We will often drink coffee, go to movies, or go for beers.
though it's not unusual to go for walks on the beach either.
Oh, that's not really what I meant. I was mostly referring to the fact that in most movies, clips, parodies, etc, they depict the dating scene as just "wham, bam, thank you... sir". Now I know that there are obviously people who date and have long-lasting relationships, but I'm wondering, since it's a relationship between two men, and men are usually willing to have sex a lot easier than women (or not really, but there's no fidgeting regarding this aspect). Or at least that's the impression.
Is it really like that, mostly one-night stands? Does sex come first in a relationship? Is it as important as in a heterosexual relationship or is it a lot easier to have great sex? Hmmm... I think that about covers it, there's just too many things that come to mind at once. Hope I'm not over-burdening with questions.
As you mentioned, there is a range in the types of relationships that occur. That being said, it's generally a pretty promiscuous bunch. i now know about 10 married gay couples, and all of them have open relationships.
I'm more of a 1-night stander kind of guy myself. I have a pretty busy life, and spending extra time on relationship stuff isn't high on the priority list. Don't get me wrong, if i meet someone who's just all kinds of great, then i'd stick around, it's just not what i'm looking for right now.
Summer is busier for us in general, but this summer i think my count is 20 or so? (qualifying encounters being ones where at least one person ejaculates). On the day before the Vancouver pride parade i woke up in a hotel room (to my surprise). I roll over to see who has their arm around me and i think who the fuck are you?. lol
Then i roll over the other direction... and i say to myself who the fuck are you?
and then a 3rd guy walks out of the washroom.
i hope i enjoyed that night!
theres a website for this. it's called plenty of fish, you can create a profile, put your likes and dislikes in it as well. i for one am not really interested in coming on team liquid and seeing posts about sexuality. it doesn't interest me, nor anyone else really. and this isn't really the place to be looking for a one night stand imo.
I don't really think it's fair for you to just pass judgement about people on this thread. I mean, did you even read the posts he was replying to? Someone asked him about what gay dating was like and he gave a reply about his recent experiences concerning gay dating.
Your post is just offensive and pointless. It doesn't even matter that it's in a thread for discussion of gay life, it'd be just as offensive if you posted it about a straight person's experiences.
On March 20 2011 07:02 randomKo_Orean wrote: Cut to save space.
I'm not really offended, more saddened, being gay isn't just about carnal acts to people of the same sex, its also about love, something that the majority of the world feel at some point, and saying that the idea of people not wanting to alone in the world disgusts you, implies a moral judgement to me, however and this is a big however, from the other things you have said, it seems that while find the whole business repulsive, you recognise you don't have the right to limit such actions.
Would you feel that I am passing moral judgement on you? If I was on your shoes, I'd probably feel the same way.
And let's pretend the answer is "yes." Then what would I be to you, with everything else held constant (about what I said about myself)? An ignorant douchebag? A fucking dumbass? A hater? An asshole?
When I was just a tad younger (think 2-3 years ago), when I talked to other gay guys that I was relatively comfortable talking with, I told them "1) Yeah, you're gay, but I don't mind, you're cool, lets be friends etc. etc. etc... BUT 2) I still think homosexuality, on the whole, is morally wrong," and I'm trying to understand what compelled to answer the way they did, such as "Oh, it sucks to hear that, but yeah, we can still be really cool and hang out and stuff," instead of lashing out and telling me to go fuck myself).
Hmmm, your views of homosexuality as they are, are a contradiction, the maxim is "being gay is okay and also not okay". The answer to why the gay people you know answered in that way is clear to me, its because there can be friendly homophobes. They are either lieing to you when they say they still want to be cool with you, or in fact you do actually have some redeeming qualities that make you good to hang out with.
Put it this way, I'm at a party and a guy comes up to me, and his opening gambit is "I don't mind the gays, but I still think what they do is morally wrong.", I would tell him to fuck off.
However, and drawing from real life experience, I currently know a guy who will remain nameless, and while he says he is okay with me being gay, it comes off in a manner that is awkward and suggests he isn't actually okay with it. I've known him for a while and we share alot of interests in common, which makes it alot easier to get around his (perhaps) disguised homophobia.
You can be friends with people you disagree with you know. I have many friends who smoke and I am totally against it. But we're cool. Just because someone doesn't agree with homosexuality and believe it is wrong doesn't warrant you to tell them to F off.
This isn't about disagreements. Disagreeing with someone implies an argument, I'm not gay because I weighed up the benefits of increased fashion sense, with the negatives of persecution et al, so when I say I'm gay, I'm not making an argument, being gay is emotive, no one asks a black person when they decided to black, no one asks a heterosexual person when they decided to be heterosexual, and no one should ask a homosexual person when they decided to be homosexual, but they do. They seek to make a moral question where there isn't one.
So going back to my hypothetical situation at the party, I would tell that person to fuck off, because they stand for all the stupid ideologues and bigots that I have seen, met, heard over my life and the hurt they have caused.
That person at the party is emblematic of damage done to me and others, and over what? They would have to be wary that I didn't sock them in the face.
You can be friends with people you disagree with you know. I have many friends who smoke and I am totally against it. But we're cool. Just because someone doesn't agree with homosexuality and believe it is wrong doesn't warrant you to tell them to F off.
Optionally smoking a drug and an essential unchangeable part of who you are - these two things are not comparable.
You go up to a black dude in a bar and tell him "I think Blacks are wrong and morally reprehensible, but hey wanna chat?"
Are you seriously telling me that doesn't warrant him telling you to fuck off?
I have a question though.... (I didnt read all 63 pages maybe i'm repeating something)
But here goes, I like she-males, does this make me bisexual? I have a girlfriend and she knows (forgot to erase history lol)... I don't go out and and actively search for she-males or anyhting, I just watch internet porn.
It comes to this, i like a girls body, a girls vagina, and dicks... but male face or body doesn't to turn me on at all.
I guess I'd have to try it for real to know for real.
On February 24 2011 19:32 hiawatha wrote: How does homophobia in South Korea compare to Japan, another first world, East Asian, relatively irreligious nation?
In South Korea, sexual relationship between 2 men is illegal (in the military).
On March 23 2011 14:20 thabanana wrote: I have a question though.... (I didnt read all 63 pages maybe i'm repeating something)
But here goes, I like she-males, does this make me bisexual? I have a girlfriend and she knows (forgot to erase history lol)... I don't go out and and actively search for she-males or anyhting, I just watch internet porn.
It comes to this, i like a girls body, a girls vagina, and dicks... but male face or body doesn't to turn me on at all.
I guess I'd have to try it for real to know for real.
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