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On March 01 2011 13:36 humanimal wrote:


This. Homosexually as a sin is Bibically founded, not a derivation of the human mind (if you believe the Bible to be divinely inspired at least).

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I would actually say that I am not moderate and that my views are not less extreme than others. But I would say that my view is far more focused on the main point of Christianity - God's love and redemption. Bear in mind that nominal American Christianity is in a world of its own. A lot of times, there is too much focus on love (and thereby forgoing the holiness and wrath of God) or there is hatred and bigotry with regards to specific sins instead of sin as a whole. I do believe that homosexuality is a perversion of creation, but bear in mind that I also believe lust and any other sin is a perversion of creation simply based on the fact that sin is deviation from God and His original intentions for creation. I don't think that earthquakes and 9/11 and other tragedies are the fault of homosexuality. I think it's a fault of sin. As for the acceptance issue, I just want to say that it's hard to find a balance and I myself still struggle with it. If you had a treasure you believed to be worth giving up everything for, and you could share this with a friend, would you not? The idea of evangelism for me personally is that if I have something that will save a friend or peer from eternal damnation, should I out of love not share that information?

Imagine a man burning on the side of the road. A bystander witnesses this, runs over and tackles the guy, putting out the fire but in the process, breaks his bones. Now, if someone criticized this act saying, "You broke his bones, where's the love in that?" we would likely disregard his comment, noticing that the bystander saved the burning man's life, even at the expense of his skeletal structure (something less important). Evangelism in the same sense should have the mindset of redefining a world (even at the cost of sounding bigoted when taken out of context) in hopes of preventing a worse fate from occurring (in this case hell).

Unfortunately, this leads to a selling-point mentality where people say "Let's get them to believe in God, go to church, read the Bible, etc. and then move onto the next needy person." When in fact, what the Bible preaches is to love first God (and as an expression, to follow his commandments) and to love your neighbors. While the end result is ultimately the same, having this slight difference in mindset leads to a whole different tone and has resulted in the Christian faith being viewed in a multitude of negative ways.

TL;DR:
The public Christian belief has been skewed in so many different ways that it has become ineffective and in some ways false. I believe that God is a holy God and needs to deal with sin (whether it's sexual orientation, stealing, murder, or any of the numerous commandments) with justice in a large scale of things. The reason why people come off as "so-and-so needs to be save" is because, if we believe that sin is inherited, all people do need to be saved, so do not take it personally because you do/believe _________.

As a final note, when has disagreeing with someone's beliefs become synonymous with being bigoted? It bugs me when people use this as a defense against others. Being bigoted is being intolerant. Tolerance is not agreement, it's acceptance. Which I have tried to stress here.

Apologies to Mora, I just felt that this was relevant and needed to be posted here. I'll continue the rest of this discussion (if need be) in PMs.

EDIT (missed some questions):



Kind of, although I dislike the saying "love the sinner hate the sin." God loves people, but remember that He hates sin and as sinners, He in a way did hate us. But because of his desire for well-deserved glory, He overcame darkness, sin, and alienation, to fix the broken relationship held between creation and the Creator. But my main point is not so much "love the sinner hate the sin" as so much as hatred for homosexuality (and those who practice it) simply because it is a sin is not a valid reason because that's nitpicking your sins. If a person hates homosexuality with such fervor, they ought to be fair in hating the rest of sin (including their own) with such fervor. Seek holiness all around, not just in less common sins. Therefore, all those who struggle with lust for the opposite gender... it's not any better than a different sexual orientation.