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BROotogy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Eritrea149 Posts
December 04 2010 03:08 GMT
#3821
On December 03 2010 13:05 JeeJee wrote:
well i think i found something in the SS wiki that could be improved...

it's about the squatting on a block thing. iirc the ss wiki basically states you shouldn't ever squat with a block under your heels and to stretch your hammies instead. the underlying assumption here is that you keep squatting while stretching your hammies, presumably rounding your back in the process since flexibility isn't an overnight endeavour

soo that's what i've been doing (come to think of it i could have been squatting above parallel without rounding my back too, but that's replacing one problem with another..)
2 workouts ago, felt a sharp pain during squat warmups (!) in lower back. i can tell the difference between my body going "ahh, painful but i'm gonna grow" and "ahh, keep doing that and i'll break!" and it was the latter one
i'm sure it's my hammies being their usual inflexible selves since i took one workout off squats, and did today's on a block. no pain whatsoever, and hopefully it doesn't come back.
i'm still stretching my hammies several times a day of course but until i can get flexibility to go below parallel without any rounding whatsoever im gonna keep squatting on a block.

imo ss wiki should say 'if you dont have flexibility in your hammies to squat below parallel without rounding your back, stretch your hammies and squat on a block or lifting shoes w raised heel in the meantime'
my newbie 2c. confirm/deny?


It is a flexibility issue. Humans weren't made to shit on toilets, but we were made to shit squatting down fully. You probably aren't even stretching frequently enough, stretch for 10 minutes as soon as you wake up, in the middle of the day, and before you go to sleep. you'll be squatting ATG in no time :D
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 04 2010 03:43 GMT
#3822
Hold stretches until you get noticable length changes.

Stretching isnt effective unless you are getting even a smidgeon better each session
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
December 04 2010 04:55 GMT
#3823
any1 (*cough eshlow*) know what nutrient, or lack thereof, causes dry skin? Ive been getting dry/rashes on my hands recently and having to put on moisturizing lotion isnt cutting it. Might be cause of the cold weather here as well, but i dont usually get it nearly this bad.

Also I went to an actual gym today instead of working out in my basement so I could actually do a standing press instead of a seated one. I think im gonna have to start doing this every other workout or something, because the standing form is way different (better) and I need shoulder work atm. so expensive though..

I did squats 3x5 @ 155 lb the other day, which is bodyweight for me, so thats a significant hurdle (although it doesnt compare to what most of u guys r putting up lol). Failed @ 160 today though so im a bit dissapointed w/ that, but im pretty sure ill be able to finish it next time if i get a decent sleep or 2 between now and then. My current short term goal is to be squatting 2 plates (225) by new years, is this realistic ?

1 last thing, I see decaf is doing a lot of olympic shit now, im assuming that is going to be beneficial on the rugby field, but I heard somewhere that olympic lifts are not as good for building strength as the regular compound lifts (squat deadlift etc), is this true? I forget where I read this so it could be total bullshit, but in general what advantages/disadvantages to olympic lifts have compared to the lifts recommended for SS?

aka DragOn[NaS]
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 05:10:11
December 04 2010 05:08 GMT
#3824
olympic lifts are great for building strength and explosiveness. How do you think weightlifters get strong then? lol

btw watch this dumb miss. I think im the only one who misses like this lolol :D

by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 04 2010 05:12 GMT
#3825
Your goal of 225 is totally attainable. The most important thing is to just be consistent and stick to the program. Even if you only added 5lb per workout you'd be able to get there with time to spare.

Regarding the olympic lifts, I know that the power clean is part of the SS program, and it is supposed to be excellent for building a lot of explosive power. I would think that the other olympic lifts would have similar benefits as well.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
December 04 2010 08:07 GMT
#3826
lol at the knee dim hahaha
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Stormich
Profile Joined August 2003
Croatia336 Posts
December 04 2010 08:44 GMT
#3827
On December 04 2010 10:21 Liquid`Meat wrote:
I'm in ketosis for 2 weeks now, but i got my monthly bowling night coming up this Tuesday which obviously goes with a lot of drinking. The usual bowling drink, beer, will kick me out of keto badly. So far when i wanted a drink with alcohol i drink 1 or 2 glasses dry white wine, since apparently it got no carbohydrates but i can´t see me drinking a lot of that.
I´m thinking of drinking rum (guess it will be Bacardi) with coke light, anyone knows what kind of effect drinking a lot of that has on keto? Since it has no carbs it shouldn't have effect on that right? I don't mind the extra calories that are in alcohol, i just don't want to go through the first days of switching to keto again


http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html

This isn't directly concerned with keto, but since all your energy is fat the fat stays on. My take is that you just slow down your fatloss but stay in keto, though I'm not sure. The Anabolic diet which is a cyclical keto 5 days keto 2 day carb up says you should drink alcohol only on the carb days so there might be something I don't know about.

Another advice, your body wont go back into carb mode if you do a break here and there, breaks are actually encouraged for keto every once in a while (usually 5-10 days). If you break out of keto it will only be for a short while.
As for the last part, once your body is used to being in keto you don't get the "flu" symptoms if you break keto for a day or two.
hi
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 19:49:44
December 04 2010 09:09 GMT
#3828
On December 04 2010 13:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
any1 (*cough eshlow*) know what nutrient, or lack thereof, causes dry skin? Ive been getting dry/rashes on my hands recently and having to put on moisturizing lotion isnt cutting it. Might be cause of the cold weather here as well, but i dont usually get it nearly this bad.

Also I went to an actual gym today instead of working out in my basement so I could actually do a standing press instead of a seated one. I think im gonna have to start doing this every other workout or something, because the standing form is way different (better) and I need shoulder work atm. so expensive though..

I did squats 3x5 @ 155 lb the other day, which is bodyweight for me, so thats a significant hurdle (although it doesnt compare to what most of u guys r putting up lol). Failed @ 160 today though so im a bit dissapointed w/ that, but im pretty sure ill be able to finish it next time if i get a decent sleep or 2 between now and then. My current short term goal is to be squatting 2 plates (225) by new years, is this realistic ?

1 last thing, I see decaf is doing a lot of olympic shit now, im assuming that is going to be beneficial on the rugby field, but I heard somewhere that olympic lifts are not as good for building strength as the regular compound lifts (squat deadlift etc), is this true? I forget where I read this so it could be total bullshit, but in general what advantages/disadvantages to olympic lifts have compared to the lifts recommended for SS?



a-you definitely can get that. Lift like the fucking man you are till new years and you'll run train on 225.
b-i've been powerlifting heavily for the last 5 months and less so for the last 8 years. I'm switching to olympic lifting to get stronger. Like dimsum. More on this later.
c-olympic lifting is a speed based form of lifting unlike powerlifting. Because you have to execute the lift faster, your body's central nervous system and fast twitch muslces have to work hella hard. Making you a beast. If you move faster you can create more force. From that force comes a shitload of power do do simple things like deadlift squat and benhc.
d-dimsum holy god damn shit you're unreal. I literally watched that video 30 times to see the fucking ridiculously good form you have. Like from driving the hips on the pull (which is a FUCKTON of weight ESPECIALLY someone your weight) to dropping into the catch is borderline insantaneous. it's amazing to watch.

Edit: I was all sorts of shitfaced when I wrote that lol
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Mewt
Profile Joined September 2010
Malta14 Posts
December 04 2010 10:23 GMT
#3829
On December 04 2010 13:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
any1 (*cough eshlow*) know what nutrient, or lack thereof, causes dry skin? Ive been getting dry/rashes on my hands recently and having to put on moisturizing lotion isnt cutting it. Might be cause of the cold weather here as well, but i dont usually get it nearly this bad.

Also I went to an actual gym today instead of working out in my basement so I could actually do a standing press instead of a seated one. I think im gonna have to start doing this every other workout or something, because the standing form is way different (better) and I need shoulder work atm. so expensive though..

I did squats 3x5 @ 155 lb the other day, which is bodyweight for me, so thats a significant hurdle (although it doesnt compare to what most of u guys r putting up lol). Failed @ 160 today though so im a bit dissapointed w/ that, but im pretty sure ill be able to finish it next time if i get a decent sleep or 2 between now and then. My current short term goal is to be squatting 2 plates (225) by new years, is this realistic ?

1 last thing, I see decaf is doing a lot of olympic shit now, im assuming that is going to be beneficial on the rugby field, but I heard somewhere that olympic lifts are not as good for building strength as the regular compound lifts (squat deadlift etc), is this true? I forget where I read this so it could be total bullshit, but in general what advantages/disadvantages to olympic lifts have compared to the lifts recommended for SS?



1. Dry skin could be caused by lack of water. For me, fish oil helps a lot. Is the dry skin on your palms where you hold the bar? If so, you'll need to get used to it.
2. Don't start amining for 225 squats already. Plan out well otherwise you will get injured, maybe not now but in the future. At the start forget about 1 rep maxes and focus on getting proper form and building a solid base. Remember that your body is not meant to lift heavily (whatever heavy means for it) for single reps so make sure you have a solid foundation before you go for it. Find someone who really knows what he's doing to help you with form, plan well and after you start gaining a very noticable amount of muscle and get very comfortable with increasing weight for reps then worry about 1 RM. Also, having sessions where you lifgt heavy for 3s or 5s will be more beneficial (a the start) than singles.
3. The squat, benchpress and deadlift are the best raw power building exercises there are. Everyone incorporates them in some form in their training because they are very beneficial. For example, squats (when done properly) increase bone density. Olympic lifts are very technical, you should worry about building a very good base first. Then, if you still like olympic lifts either incorporate them in your training or focus on olympic lifting. There is a very good reason everyone who is into sports or lifting focuses on these lifts. They can be executed differently, powerlifters attempt to use mechanical advantages as much as possible, bodybuilders try to keep long ranges of motion while being safe with less weight to define muscles more. SS is very good, the guy knows what he's talking about. If you use a program, follow it, try not to change it unless you have a specific reason not to.
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
December 04 2010 19:16 GMT
#3830
@ decaf - Ok thanks for clearing that up, looks like I was being bullshitted ;p

@ mewt - I dont think its lack of water, unless a paleo diet requires more water than a conventional one. my water intake hasnt changed much over the last 5 years. I take 3 capsules of 180EPA/120DHA fishoil a day, is this enough? The problem area is generally on the backs of my hands, but ive also noticed that when walking barefoot my feet feel kinda dry too..its nothing to do with calluses or shit from lifting though.

I wasnt intending to go for a 1rep max @ 225, my goal is to do 3x5 continuing with SS. I have no intention of doing 1rep maxes anytime soon.

Thanks for the encouragement every1

aka DragOn[NaS]
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 04 2010 19:29 GMT
#3831
Fyre for fish oil I'd go with 3-5g of EPA+DHA. 3 caps you're only getting 300*3 = .9g of EPA+DHA.

What exactly are you eating?

Some of us have naturally dry skin too. But I notice mine is always a bit ebtter when I take my fish oil.

Other Q's have kinda been answered fairly satisfactorally.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
December 04 2010 19:55 GMT
#3832
i eat lots of meat, nuts, and eggs these days.
A typical week day for me would be:

breakfast - chicken + beans + tomato sauce. 10000ui vitamin D, 3x the above fish oil, some vitamin C
snack - carrots, cucumber, more chicken
lunch - apples, oranges, salted nuts
snack - more salted nuts, and the rest of the apples+oranges+carrots+cucumber brought to work
dinner - eggs, possibly canned salmon, lettuce or brocolli, mushrooms+onions+green pepper possibly w/ the eggs, grapes or strawberries, a few pieces of dried fruit. more nuts later on if still hungry. 3x 150mg magnesium citrate.

aka DragOn[NaS]
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 23:03:10
December 04 2010 22:49 GMT
#3833
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
December 05 2010 04:41 GMT
#3834
On December 05 2010 07:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D


You have a beautiful snatch, Dimsum.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
December 05 2010 07:50 GMT
#3835
On December 05 2010 07:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D

props bro
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 05 2010 08:46 GMT
#3836
http://www.theantigym.com/caughtintheact.html

LOL oh my god, i'm in love with this guy
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
December 05 2010 09:51 GMT
#3837
On December 05 2010 07:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D


Fucking sick snatch. good luck in the comp, tear shit up
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 05 2010 10:21 GMT
#3838
On December 05 2010 07:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D


dude, you're incredible, if i could throw 1.5x my bodyweight above my head...wow
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 13:13:31
December 05 2010 13:12 GMT
#3839
On December 05 2010 07:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D


Mad props! Also lol on your miss :D

Edit: low training time this week, xmas exams killing me Need to do more conditioning work, getting fatter than I'm acceptable with during my insane bulk. Any suggestions and preferrably something that doesn't kill knees.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
December 05 2010 13:59 GMT
#3840
On December 05 2010 22:12 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:49 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ooooo hit 90 kg in the snatch again
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1559667110029&comments
If only my clean and jerk was on par with my snatch. I had trouble handling 100kg clean and jerk today llolololo

btw decaf i dont test any sprints or vertical.
Also I am flying out thursday afternoon to the American Open. I will get videos of the competition :D


Mad props! Also lol on your miss :D

Edit: low training time this week, xmas exams killing me Need to do more conditioning work, getting fatter than I'm acceptable with during my insane bulk. Any suggestions and preferrably something that doesn't kill knees.

tabata protocol on stationary bike should be very knee friendly.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
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