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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 29 2010 23:44 GMT
#2761
I totally high fived you guys. Rock on.

Also, I power cleaned 175 today! All time high! It's not even my bodyweight, but I'm still proud >.<
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
September 30 2010 01:34 GMT
#2762
Note: I actually placed my hand in the image. fuck yeah, my workout bro's! :D

Today:
Press: 110lbs
Power Clean: 110lbs
Squat: 187Lbs (converted from Kg to Lbs).

I feel like my PC can be a lot better, but, I dunno, I'm following the program at it is. and adding weight as I go .
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
September 30 2010 01:54 GMT
#2763
The entire left side of my body is fucked T_T
Tip of my left toe is numb
Inside of my left knee is half numb/half on fire
Left SI joint slipped
Pinched nerve in left side of neck which sets my arm on fire.

:-(
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
September 30 2010 02:00 GMT
#2764
Left, left, left & left.

You know, you probably just had a stroke.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 30 2010 05:20 GMT
#2765
On September 30 2010 10:54 decafchicken wrote:
The entire left side of my body is fucked T_T
Tip of my left toe is numb
Inside of my left knee is half numb/half on fire
Left SI joint slipped
Pinched nerve in left side of neck which sets my arm on fire.

:-(


Chiro immediately!
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
September 30 2010 05:45 GMT
#2766
Alright, here's the situation:

I'm ready to completely cut sucrose/HFCS out of my diet other than what I get from fruit. While I previously knew of the dangers of sugar, this guy's explanation of it scared the living crap out of me.

To do this, I need to know where HFC/sucrose may sneak their way in. I understand that fast food as a whole is out of the question, as is bread of any kind. Of course there are other obvious things, but I'd like to know what carbohydrates I can eat here. I'm still trying to put on as much muscle as possible, and I'm not interested in going on a ketogenic/very low carbohydrate diet until next year ... that is, unless, you think it's possible and efficient to bulk without carbs.

Any ideas? (Yes I'm looking at you, eschlow.)
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
September 30 2010 05:49 GMT
#2767
On September 30 2010 14:20 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 10:54 decafchicken wrote:
The entire left side of my body is fucked T_T
Tip of my left toe is numb
Inside of my left knee is half numb/half on fire
Left SI joint slipped
Pinched nerve in left side of neck which sets my arm on fire.

:-(


Chiro immediately!


Meh my parents arent going to pay for it and i can't afford/don't want to go to a chiro every time it starts hurting again. Is there any PT i can do to get my shit together? My neck had pretty much stopped bothering me until the chiro cracked my neck and i've gotten my stinger twice since that happened T_T
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
earti
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada36 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 06:55:55
September 30 2010 06:43 GMT
#2768
On September 30 2010 14:45 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Alright, here's the situation:

I'm ready to completely cut sucrose/HFCS out of my diet other than what I get from fruit. While I previously knew of the dangers of sugar, this guy's explanation of it scared the living crap out of me.

To do this, I need to know where HFC/sucrose may sneak their way in. I understand that fast food as a whole is out of the question, as is bread of any kind. Of course there are other obvious things, but I'd like to know what carbohydrates I can eat here. I'm still trying to put on as much muscle as possible, and I'm not interested in going on a ketogenic/very low carbohydrate diet until next year ... that is, unless, you think it's possible and efficient to bulk without carbs.

Any ideas? (Yes I'm looking at you, eschlow.)


Remember that HFCS is processed from corn, and since it's really cheap, it ends up in really cheap, processed food items. Colas, processed foods, are a good example. The video you presented assumes that we consume excess fructose that is causing us fat... I don't want to go into details why fructose doesn't, but for your question, I'll answer assuming you want to cut your calories by limiting the amount of simple sugars. (for example, Fruits such as strawberries contain fructose, but the pectin and fibre in the fruit slows down the breakdown of that fructorse, and not as concentrated as HFCS). If you want to try to avoid HFCS, it's found a lot in highly processed foods. If you're really scared, you can always check the ingredients list.

If you saw the first 30 seconds and you saw how a Japanese diet works... rice, noodles, etc, they're not as highly processed as compared to... McDonald's food. If you want to consume carbs without as much sugar, they would be in the form of complex carbrohydrates- Rice, Pasta, Grains, the more complex the better (ie grains). Breads are okay as long as they're whole grain or multi-grain. I wouldn't freak out of trying to eliminate HFCS in your diet. Although it's possible to do so, it's hard to avoid. All you can do is limit your amount just like any guilty pleasure in life.

I don't think he even mentioned anything about exercise helping to alleviate excess calories yet o.o

Note: in that video (first 10 minutes) 59g of extra carbs can simply be found in a bottle of coke o.o

Edit: I tried limiting my amounts of sugar for a month to see how I felt, and simply put, the calories that I would have had from a coke was instead "complex" (resulted in the same amount of calories), but there were times where I wasn't able to store enough glycogen to keep my workouts going. In his presentation, he targets fructose rather than glucose, which is pretty interesting. I'm gonna give it a shot for a month starting in October and I'll get back to ya... The last time I listened to these type of "pro-diet" presentations, it made me turn vegan for 3 hours...
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 07:04:28
September 30 2010 07:00 GMT
#2769
On September 30 2010 15:43 earti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 14:45 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Alright, here's the situation:

I'm ready to completely cut sucrose/HFCS out of my diet other than what I get from fruit. While I previously knew of the dangers of sugar, this guy's explanation of it scared the living crap out of me.

To do this, I need to know where HFC/sucrose may sneak their way in. I understand that fast food as a whole is out of the question, as is bread of any kind. Of course there are other obvious things, but I'd like to know what carbohydrates I can eat here. I'm still trying to put on as much muscle as possible, and I'm not interested in going on a ketogenic/very low carbohydrate diet until next year ... that is, unless, you think it's possible and efficient to bulk without carbs.

Any ideas? (Yes I'm looking at you, eschlow.)


Remember that HFCS is processed from corn, and since it's really cheap, it ends up in really cheap, processed food items. Colas, processed foods, are a good example. The video you presented assumes that we consume excess fructose that is causing us fat... I don't want to go into details why fructose doesn't, but for your question, I'll answer assuming you want to cut your calories by limiting the amount of simple sugars. (for example, Fruits such as strawberries contain fructose, but the pectin and fibre in the fruit slows down the breakdown of that fructorse, and not as concentrated as HFCS). If you want to try to avoid HFCS, it's found a lot in highly processed foods. If you're really scared, you can always check the ingredients list.

If you saw the first 30 seconds and you saw how a Japanese diet works... rice, noodles, etc, they're not as highly processed as compared to... McDonald's food. If you want to consume carbs without as much sugar, they would be in the form of complex carbrohydrates- Rice, Pasta, Grains, the more complex the better (ie grains). Breads are okay as long as they're whole grain or multi-grain. I wouldn't freak out of trying to eliminate HFCS in your diet. Although it's possible to do so, it's hard to avoid. All you can do is limit your amount just like any guilty pleasure in life.

I don't think he even mentioned anything about exercise helping to alleviate excess calories yet o.o

Note: in that video (first 10 minutes) 59g of extra carbs can simply be found in a bottle of coke o.o


Thank you, this is information that I knew but just wanted to confirm.

He mentions exercise's role around 1:12:00, but I don't think it's the explanation you want to hear...

The last time I listened to these type of "pro-diet" presentations, it made me turn vegan for 3 hours...


Veganism is retarded.

Yeah, I said it.
earti
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada36 Posts
September 30 2010 07:44 GMT
#2770
On September 30 2010 14:45 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:

He mentions exercise's role around 1:12:00, but I don't think it's the explanation you want to hear...



I finally listened to the entire video and saw the exercise portion... kinda sad, but he does make a few good points. More calories are burned through the recovery than the actual act of doing so, he rather talk about how weight gain occurs through fructose rather than how weight loss occurs.

I liked that video a lot. It'll make me experiment for a while to see how it turns out. It's not as drastic as trying to go vegan (lol)
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
September 30 2010 13:05 GMT
#2771
gaaaah...weights have gotten really heavy recently even though i've dropped quite a bit. must be a mental thing as i've kinda lost motivation in the weight room and i'm still light years away from my goal of bw OHP
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 30 2010 21:25 GMT
#2772
On September 30 2010 14:45 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Alright, here's the situation:

I'm ready to completely cut sucrose/HFCS out of my diet other than what I get from fruit. While I previously knew of the dangers of sugar, this guy's explanation of it scared the living crap out of me.

To do this, I need to know where HFC/sucrose may sneak their way in. I understand that fast food as a whole is out of the question, as is bread of any kind. Of course there are other obvious things, but I'd like to know what carbohydrates I can eat here. I'm still trying to put on as much muscle as possible, and I'm not interested in going on a ketogenic/very low carbohydrate diet until next year ... that is, unless, you think it's possible and efficient to bulk without carbs.

Any ideas? (Yes I'm looking at you, eschlow.)


There's nothing wrong with carbs inherently...... as long as you don't take them in easily digested form (aka most processed food/sugars).

This is the type of damage that happens when there's too much sugar in your blood:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_end_product

I wrote out the process of atherosclerotic development here:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/05/cardiovascular-disease-and-eating-right-the-facts/

Real foods tend to be the best. If you're not intolerant to milk that's what I'd go with. If you're not then brown rice would be better than breads, pastas, etc. Stay away from gluten/wheat products in general. You know the deal.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 04:43:17
October 01 2010 04:40 GMT
#2773
On October 01 2010 06:25 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 14:45 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Alright, here's the situation:

I'm ready to completely cut sucrose/HFCS out of my diet other than what I get from fruit. While I previously knew of the dangers of sugar, this guy's explanation of it scared the living crap out of me.

To do this, I need to know where HFC/sucrose may sneak their way in. I understand that fast food as a whole is out of the question, as is bread of any kind. Of course there are other obvious things, but I'd like to know what carbohydrates I can eat here. I'm still trying to put on as much muscle as possible, and I'm not interested in going on a ketogenic/very low carbohydrate diet until next year ... that is, unless, you think it's possible and efficient to bulk without carbs.

Any ideas? (Yes I'm looking at you, eschlow.)


There's nothing wrong with carbs inherently...... as long as you don't take them in easily digested form (aka most processed food/sugars).

This is the type of damage that happens when there's too much sugar in your blood:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_end_product

I wrote out the process of atherosclerotic development here:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/05/cardiovascular-disease-and-eating-right-the-facts/

Real foods tend to be the best. If you're not intolerant to milk that's what I'd go with. If you're not then brown rice would be better than breads, pastas, etc. Stay away from gluten/wheat products in general. You know the deal.


Thanks for the info; I agree that a food's "realness" is a good indicator of its nutritional value. Current diet is looking like this:

Breakfast:
80g of oatmeal OR 100g of all bran cereal
3 large eggs
1 cup of 3.7% milk
Multivitamin/fish oil

10 am snack (post-workout on Fri, Sun, Tue:
60-80g of oatmeal
1 serving of whey protein in 3.7% milk

Lunch:
1 large chicken breast (250~280 grams of chicken)
100 grams of brown rice
Fish oil

3 pm snack:
1 large chicken breast (250~280 grams of chicken)
40 grams of brown rice

Dinner:
200-250 grams of beef or pork
Medium salad with fatty dressing
Fish oil

Before bed:
100g of cashew nuts
Casein protein shake in 3.7% milk

All in all, I eat 150~ grams of oatmeal, 520~ grams of chicken breast, 1-1.5 liters of 3.7% milk, 1 serving of whey/1 serving of casein, 140 grams of brown rice, 200-250 grams of beef or pork, some salad, and 100 grams of cashew nuts. My macros are:

Calories: 4100
Fat: 170g - 35%
Carbs: 270g - 25%
Protein: 370g - 35%

The number of calories on some days will probably be 10% lower because the amount of meat I eat isn't always going to be the same; this is a rather high estimate. I'm trying to do this as cleanly as possible from here on out and I think I have it down pretty good.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 13:06:07
October 01 2010 13:04 GMT
#2774
That looks pretty good to me.

Make sure your dressing isn't made with any processed seed oils though... go with olive oil or something along those lines. I love my Italian but it's like all canola seed oil or something... not so great. :\ I gotta find an alternative

I'd leave out the bran cereal and go with all oatmeal. Cereals in general are all pretty junky because of the processing etc
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 02 2010 02:04 GMT
#2775
Squatted 305x3 today. Slightly above parallel on the last one I think, but it was more a result of a lack of stretching I think, it felt tight more than it felt too heavy.

Either way, <3 Bill Starr.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
October 02 2010 03:14 GMT
#2776
On October 02 2010 11:04 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Squatted 305x3 today. Slightly above parallel on the last one I think, but it was more a result of a lack of stretching I think, it felt tight more than it felt too heavy.

Either way, <3 Bill Starr.



show off...

I pulled 198lb (90kg) 3x5 :D!

SUCK THAT ASSHOLE.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 02 2010 04:01 GMT
#2777
man, decaf warms up with that shit, don't sweat it. we are all puny in his wake.

FUNKIE GETTING SWOOOOOOOOOOLE
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
October 02 2010 07:19 GMT
#2778
@eshlow: i have a shoulder problem. i got it when i was benching. it seems it's around the AC joint and the pain is greatest when the bar is on my chest. the same is true with push ups, the pain is greatest when my chest is closest to the floor..it's definitely an external pain cause it hurts when i apply pressure to it.

i rested it for a bit (maybe 10 days) and the pain did go away. but when the weights started getting a little heavier the pain came back so i had to stop benching...again

i can still do OHP and dips without any noticeable pain though. any idea as to what type of shoulder injury i have?
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
October 02 2010 12:13 GMT
#2779
On October 01 2010 22:04 eshlow wrote:
That looks pretty good to me.

Make sure your dressing isn't made with any processed seed oils though... go with olive oil or something along those lines. I love my Italian but it's like all canola seed oil or something... not so great. :\ I gotta find an alternative

I'd leave out the bran cereal and go with all oatmeal. Cereals in general are all pretty junky because of the processing etc


Thanks.

As for your comment about bran cereal, what I'll do is eat the oats as much as possible. The only problem with old fashioned oats is that they take some time to cook, and I am often times in a pretty big hurry in the morning.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
October 02 2010 15:14 GMT
#2780
dunno about where you are Rosa, but in norway you can buy pre-lightly cooked oats, easily edible with just water if you want to
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