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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 03:17:38
August 16 2010 03:15 GMT
#2081
On August 14 2010 20:38 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 20:29 ShAsTa wrote:
On August 12 2010 10:26 decafchicken wrote:
Last day before deadlift max, did 10x225 8x345 6x375 4x400 2x430 1x455 + Show Spoiler [VIDZ OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN] +

Did the last rep with a belt and it felt pretty easy. well not easy but i feel like i should own 485 and possibly go for 5 plates...if i dare :-O
Managed to do shoulder presses up to 95 pounds for the first time since like june, it doesnt hurt too bad if i dont wrap my thumb around the bar.

Those are awesome numbers, but I was wondering: Isn't it dangerous to do 1 rep max sets?


Why would it be, especially for deadlifts. If the weight is too heavy, nothing happens, the bar just doesn't move.

Squats or Bench could be more dangerous, but only if you are totally off with your numbers. If you think "yesterday I did 300, let's try 350 today", then yes, it is probably dangerous. If you just try 310 and it is too heavy, there is always ways to get rid of the weight before you get toasted.

Besides that, if you challenge yourself with a 1RM or 5RM is basically the same. The fifth rep on a 5RM should be as hard as it gets, you should have to give it your all like in a 1RM. Some people even think higher rep maxes are more dangerous, because there is much more that could go wrong during a long and heavy set.


ughh... Maybe I just have bad conditioning/cardiovascular strength, but I think a 5rm is way way harder. A 7 or 8 rm done for 5 reps for multiple sets SS style is leaps and bounds harder. It's just so hard to keep form tight, breathing perfect, spine erect, and all muscles engaged for 5 whole reps as opposed to just 1 and then you also have a cardio aspect to deal with on top of that. And then there's the uncertainty. Within the first few seconds of a 1rm I know if I'm going to make it or not. I can do 4 reps of a 5rm and then miserably fail the 5th even though I felt good after rep 4. I think it's also easier to use perfect form on a single. I've never had major form breakdowns on a 1rm squat but I routinely have them on the 5th rep of the second or final set even with relatively "easy" weight.

It's really easy to dump high bar back squats or front squats without safety bars. Low bar squats are a little trickier because you could definitely fuck up your shoulders since the grip is a lot more demanding. I've dumped a few on the floor but I do these with safeties always now. I've never 1rmed a bp so I don't know.
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shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
August 16 2010 06:49 GMT
#2082
On August 15 2010 16:03 Energies wrote:
I'm going through that initial stage of low carb diet, cravings. The only carbs I am getting is from milk and some dry fruit/nuts.

I just ate a pound of beef stir fry and 1/2 glass of milk and I'm still getting that itch...


100g of carbs a day is still considered low carb, so I think you could eat a good deal more of carbs and be fine. Probably safer too.

Why are you doing low-carb anyway? If you are not obese, I see no reason to go so low in carbs, especially if you are a healthy 20-something. Plenty of cultures eat lots of carbohydrates and are healthy and thin. The traditional French ate lots of meat and butter, as well as bread/pastries, and were healthy.

I think if you avoid the sugar boluses, processed food, and vegetable oils (wheat/legumes could also be problematic), then you should be fine.

See this criticism of the low-carb paradigm. It probably has its own flaws, but was written by a dude who ran into troubles on a low-carb diet. Something to consider.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 16 2010 07:17 GMT
#2083
I just got finished watching the documentary "I want to look like that guy." Oh man. Great film. Really puts into perspective what it takes to look like a guy in a fitness ad, and it'll help you set more realistic goals.

Today at the gym, I don't want to push my IT band to injury, so I'm gonna do a week of squats with just the bar before I get back into 225 lb. + again. Shoulder press is great, progressing to 115 and ready to move on to 120. Started benching because I have a spotter now, gonna try 145 next time. Gonna try deadlifts at 335 on Tuesday, chinups getting better, I'm feeling really good.

Diet-wise, I *try* to eat healthy. Weekends I don't give a damn. I try to eat green stuff because apparently greens are ridiculously healthy and I've been pounding down all that kale. I eat a lot of fruits. I've replaced my carbs with beans mostly. At a dollar a can for 3-4 servings, I don't know how you can go wrong, especially since the directions are "heat and serve." Protein source with each meal, eat breakfast, meal replacement shake at 11:00, full meal at 3.

God I love this.
Holy crap that documentary is so motivating.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
August 16 2010 11:30 GMT
#2084
Downloading it now. If it's bad... I will burn your barn down.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
August 16 2010 11:32 GMT
#2085
On August 16 2010 15:49 shmay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 16:03 Energies wrote:
I'm going through that initial stage of low carb diet, cravings. The only carbs I am getting is from milk and some dry fruit/nuts.

I just ate a pound of beef stir fry and 1/2 glass of milk and I'm still getting that itch...


100g of carbs a day is still considered low carb, so I think you could eat a good deal more of carbs and be fine. Probably safer too.

Why are you doing low-carb anyway? If you are not obese, I see no reason to go so low in carbs, especially if you are a healthy 20-something. Plenty of cultures eat lots of carbohydrates and are healthy and thin. The traditional French ate lots of meat and butter, as well as bread/pastries, and were healthy.

I think if you avoid the sugar boluses, processed food, and vegetable oils (wheat/legumes could also be problematic), then you should be fine.

See this criticism of the low-carb paradigm. It probably has its own flaws, but was written by a dude who ran into troubles on a low-carb diet. Something to consider.



My body really doesn't like giving away it's last bit of fat. I think it's still traumatized from the dramatic weight loss a couple of years ago. So I need to carb cycle, tons of weight training and HIIT in order to lean out.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 13:09:19
August 16 2010 13:06 GMT
#2086
Documentary was good, I personally don't believe it's as hard as he made it out to be, he just had a much shorter time frame to achieve his goals. However, in saying that, I have never attempted to get below 11-12% bf.

Your barn is safe, for now...
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 13:20:12
August 16 2010 13:19 GMT
#2087
woohoo finally got over that overhead press hump. funny thing is throughout the day i was dreading going to the gym because the last 2 sessions i tried pressing at that weight, i got owned pretty badly.

it's a really weird day for me, but a great day nonetheless!

time to add weight to the bar!
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
August 16 2010 14:10 GMT
#2088
On August 16 2010 22:06 Energies wrote:
Documentary was good, I personally don't believe it's as hard as he made it out to be, he just had a much shorter time frame to achieve his goals. However, in saying that, I have never attempted to get below 11-12% bf.

Your barn is safe, for now...


I'm downloading the documentary now, but I got the general idea of it from Youtube.

I think that the big thing that happened was the guy tried to go from 27% to 6% body fat with muscle increase in six months. Here are some things to note about this:

*A sudden and severe drop in weight is not healthy for non-morbidly obese people.
*The male human body was not meant to go under 8% body fat. It is far from healthy to try and attain such a low level of body fat, let alone maintain it.
*Taking an untrained person and putting them on an extremely strict training regimen is setting them up for failure. Bodybuilders take years to prepare for their first competitions, and this guy tried to get ready for his in six months.
*This is, after all, a documentary. The guy will exaggerate a little to make things look more serious than they actually are.

I respect what bodybuilders do, and I acknowledge that it is about as far from the word "easy" as you can get. Most of bodybuilding is a psychological thing where you train your mind and willpower far harder than you could ever train any muscle in your body. It is what I love about the sport.

Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 16 2010 15:10 GMT
#2089
I envy all of you who go on low-carb diets. I tried it a few times, and gave it up every time within two weeks; each time shorter than the previous. They were simply too hard for me to keep up. Must be the Asian in me...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4514 Posts
August 16 2010 15:10 GMT
#2090
enjoyed the docu thx!
Team Liquid
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 16 2010 19:41 GMT
#2091
On August 16 2010 22:19 unknown.sam wrote:
woohoo finally got over that overhead press hump. funny thing is throughout the day i was dreading going to the gym because the last 2 sessions i tried pressing at that weight, i got owned pretty badly.

it's a really weird day for me, but a great day nonetheless!

time to add weight to the bar!

Hahah I love that feeling.
I remember I was stuck on the same weight for deadlifts for 2 sessions. I even dropped reps in the second session. But then I hit that weight easy for the next session, then added 10lbs and hit that easily.



The things that I got out of the documentary were...
1 - hitting single digit body fat (and maintaining it) is unrealistic for most of us. we will never really look like "that guy" unless we absolutely and totally focus on it.
2 - hard work and execution will get you there if you decide to do it
3 - even without a super hardcore diet, you can still look great, as shown in the first part of the documentary
4 - canadian accents are fun


I feel like if I can get myself down to 13-15% I'll look as great as I want to. Still got a lot of work to do.

According to the scale and accu-measure calipers, I went up 10 lbs and dropped from 26% to 21% body fat. I don't believe that either and I highly doubt I measured everything properly.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
August 17 2010 07:33 GMT
#2092
My ultimate goal has always been 9-10%, but if I lose my six pack every time I eat a doughnut, so be it. I would rather be happy with what I eat at 12-13% body fat than on a miserable low-carb diet at 8%. I can always diet for a month if I have a trip to Hawaii planned or something.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20109 Posts
August 17 2010 10:58 GMT
#2093
On August 17 2010 04:41 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 22:19 unknown.sam wrote:
woohoo finally got over that overhead press hump. funny thing is throughout the day i was dreading going to the gym because the last 2 sessions i tried pressing at that weight, i got owned pretty badly.

it's a really weird day for me, but a great day nonetheless!

time to add weight to the bar!

Hahah I love that feeling.
I remember I was stuck on the same weight for deadlifts for 2 sessions. I even dropped reps in the second session. But then I hit that weight easy for the next session, then added 10lbs and hit that easily.



The things that I got out of the documentary were...
1 - hitting single digit body fat (and maintaining it) is unrealistic for most of us. we will never really look like "that guy" unless we absolutely and totally focus on it.
2 - hard work and execution will get you there if you decide to do it
3 - even without a super hardcore diet, you can still look great, as shown in the first part of the documentary
4 - canadian accents are fun


I feel like if I can get myself down to 13-15% I'll look as great as I want to. Still got a lot of work to do.

According to the scale and accu-measure calipers, I went up 10 lbs and dropped from 26% to 21% body fat. I don't believe that either and I highly doubt I measured everything properly.


I'm pretty sure I'm down to single digits for the first time in years just from working.7 hours of laboring combined with not having time to eat as much in addition to my normal lifting + rugby shredded like 10-15 pounds. I did start eating less crabs but eating so much protein I didn't notice. It's probably different for everyone but I think anyone can realistically get to single digits with a bit of effort and self control
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
August 17 2010 14:22 GMT
#2094
I'm going to be in the US in 6 weeks. My diet is perfect, and exercise routine is in check. All I can do now is hope my body does the right thing and leans out.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
August 17 2010 22:22 GMT
#2095
Something need to change! I've only lost 3-4 kg in 2 months and I'm not leaner either In fact, my arms and my legs have grown and I'm not sure if it's in the good way...

I will have to look at my diet, I'm probably eating too much or I will have to add cardio to my SS. Sure I'm stronger now than before but I want to get leaner

My workout yesterday wasn't really good either except for my squats. I'm squating 90 kg now which feels awesome but my press and my chinups haven't improved at all. I'm only in the third week with SS but I'm still doing 9/7/7 reps when doing (racked) chinups

Will be interesting tomorrow, gonna try 60 kg bench press (was at 55 kg both last wednesday and friday) and 100 kg deadlift! I love deadlift
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
August 17 2010 23:00 GMT
#2096
Might just be fluid retention mate. During the first couple of months, I was gaining strength but wasn't dropping a single gram, it was really weird. I just slightly modified my diet, cut out carbs a bit and reduces salt intake, I'm currently losing 1.5lb a week.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 23:13:07
August 17 2010 23:07 GMT
#2097
I've mentioned this before, but like 40 pages back, but i'm an athlete at my college, throwing shot put and discus. However, I lost the end of my last season due to, what was at the time, unknown reasons.

At the time, i was feeling constantly lightheaded, as if iwere going to pass out, was constantly exhausted, frequently had a high heart beat rate and a gnawing and burning sensation in my stomach. It wasn't until after school that i found the time to discover that it was an ulcer, most likely due to stress (or Tabasco sauce).

In any case, i've been taking medication for about 1.5 - 2 months now for it but have not been able to work out at all, due to lightheadedness, stomach pain and all that jazz. Now, i'm starting to get really out of shape. I'm trying to work out again, but i still have slight stomach pains, as if its soar or if i'm very hungry.

So i want to know, has anyone else ever had stomach related issues? and if so, how long did it take to "return to normal".

edit: Oh and just to contribute myself. On the deadlift comment in the quote on the top of this page. Yes it is possible to hurt yourself in DL with a weight that is too heavy. Too heavy means anywhere from you not being able to budge it at all, to you failing to lock out.

The risk of not being able to lock out is actually from trying to force it. Look up dieselweasel on youtube. He's a prime example. His form is extremely atrocious. He hitches the weight, allowing it to sink a little while holding it on his legs, so that he can prepare for a harder pull. Although he eventually gets the weight up, he's shredding his spine to pieces.

So please, don't take DLing too lightly, because it is definitely still one of the most dangerous lifts ^.^
JF dodger since 2009
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 00:31:04
August 18 2010 00:26 GMT
#2098
oh man i just looked up dieselweasel ROFL


amazing form


he has guts though...respect.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20109 Posts
August 18 2010 01:12 GMT
#2099
On August 18 2010 08:07 [Agony]x90 wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but like 40 pages back, but i'm an athlete at my college, throwing shot put and discus. However, I lost the end of my last season due to, what was at the time, unknown reasons.

At the time, i was feeling constantly lightheaded, as if iwere going to pass out, was constantly exhausted, frequently had a high heart beat rate and a gnawing and burning sensation in my stomach. It wasn't until after school that i found the time to discover that it was an ulcer, most likely due to stress (or Tabasco sauce).

In any case, i've been taking medication for about 1.5 - 2 months now for it but have not been able to work out at all, due to lightheadedness, stomach pain and all that jazz. Now, i'm starting to get really out of shape. I'm trying to work out again, but i still have slight stomach pains, as if its soar or if i'm very hungry.

So i want to know, has anyone else ever had stomach related issues? and if so, how long did it take to "return to normal".


Ask your school staff. If you go to a d1/d2 school i'm sure you have a plethora of people whos entire job is to make sure you are 100%
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
August 18 2010 14:32 GMT
#2100
after the nth time of practicing how to bench, i still fuck it up somehow. the good thing is i know when i screw up, the bad thing is i duno how to fix it

it happens during the negative part of the exercise. from lockout the bar rarely travels down to my chest in a vertical line. i just can't seem to keep my elbows in place...help?

"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
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