EPTWhy Do you want a higher MMR
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Anesthetic
United States225 Posts
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
(Definitely not implying that having a higher MMR would make me happier, rather that if my situation was better, raising my MMR would be much easier) | ||
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ASoo
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
higher mmr means ill need to play at 100% everygame and its really tiring | ||
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Yurie
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If I was aiming for top 200 most reasonable way would to be to continue playing in EU. Don't play ranked for a while when I get enough rating that I can lose 13 of the next 15 games in SEA and reach their top 200. Easier than getting in by getting top 200 in EU. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On November 29 2014 21:00 teddyoojo wrote: penis reasons Pretty much. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On November 29 2014 19:18 Erasme wrote: i don't higher mmr means ill need to play at 100% everygame and its really tiring hows this even a problem u have two accounts | ||
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ChunderBoy
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Terrorbladder
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On November 29 2014 23:46 ChunderBoy wrote: bcoz if i show interest in something i try to be perfect at that thing then again mmr has nothing to do with being "perfect" at dota | ||
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rudimentalfeelthelov
Finland268 Posts
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goody153
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Yurie
11923 Posts
On November 30 2014 00:56 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote: so I can play ability draft with people who don't pick 4 auras. Don't think it matters what mmr you have for this. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On November 29 2014 23:54 teddyoojo wrote: then again mmr has nothing to do with being "perfect" at dota the more perfect u become the higher mmr u get dude | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
On November 29 2014 21:04 harodihg wrote: I want a lower MMR. I long for the games where I can heartily laugh at the nonsense that takes place Have you tried visiting Limited Heroes mode? That's where all the literal first time players end up. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 29 2014 19:18 Erasme wrote: i don't higher mmr means ill need to play at 100% everygame and its really tiring I think getting to a range that doesn't having me rage as much but not as high as indicated by the above, and I'll be content playing this game. Face facts, I don't have the time to put in getting to top 200, etc, respect to those who are, but for me this is a game, keep challenging myself but just at the worst at a level that everyone reasonably knows what they are doing with basic comms down. | ||
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Acetone
United States200 Posts
On November 29 2014 19:18 Erasme wrote: higher mmr means ill need to play at 100% everygame and its really tiring This is why I usually play unranked. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
so I play a lot to get better, and the only way to justify that I actually got better is to have a higher mmr | ||
TheEmulator
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On December 01 2014 12:32 TheEmulator wrote: I like getting better at the things I do, and while MMR might not be the #1 measure of skill it's one of the few I have available to me to know i am getting better. I like that answer. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On November 30 2014 02:44 Comeh wrote: Because my life is pathetic and sad and isn't going anywhere and dota is the only sense of accomplishment I get anymore so I can only judge myself from this semi meaningless internet point value system. :c | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
It's comeh, he's just trolling, don't worry. | ||
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Kreb
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I mean I know myself I'll sometimes just turn on autopilot and just run around killing jungle camps or something else pointless if the game/my team makes me lose interest. I'm hardly the worst offender in that regard (I dont insult or intentionally feed ever) but denying that I'm not always playing my best, or sometimes even close to my best, would be to lie to myself. I think that goes for just about all people reading this. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On December 01 2014 19:01 dismiss wrote: It's comeh, he's just trolling, don't worry. Yes, please keep telling yourself that. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The main thing I want to be is a well rounded player that can do a lot of different things, which sometimes hurts my MMR when I try to break out a new hero. But I would rather be keep the variety up than spam ogre every game just to get a higher number. Though there are days when I am like “fuck this shit, I am ganking all game and someone is going to win a lane or I am going to die trying”. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But then you get PPD with a MoM/basher Treant, so it all levels out. | ||
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Aixler
Netherlands946 Posts
Not every single game, but overall the games are noticeably better. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Varth
United States426 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
When I was maining support I would do things like see that we had another big stun on the team, see the enemy team had a vulnerable mid, and buy smoke for a level one gank on mid. And no one would come with me. Or I would try to deward and there would be no fucking wards. Warn everyone that Axe is going to try to eat our safelane and no one will TP, we will lose the tower predictably, and people around the map will go "wtf safelane." I once tried to get a mid-game smoke going and had someone tell me "this isn't TI." In the trench, basic tactical maneuvers are TI-level play. People have no concept of how to minimize courier use. I've gotten my bottle at 1:30 and found the courier is all the way out at our safelane tower, after explicitly asking people not to use the courier before I got my bottle. Safelane people ferry side-shop shit to themselves. They mail themselves items one component at a time. If you tell your team that the enemy is probably roshing, they just fucking walk in regardless of our ability to fight it or even how many people are there. Folks yell at you for not being at a fight you had no chance of being at when they chose the fight. People think it's needy to ask for courier upgrades. Supports will continue to ward both runes at 40 minutes. Carries can't last hit. Most mids try to gank way too much and everyone not a mid thinks that is your primary function and you are failing if you aren't doing it, regardless of what hero you are playing or the strategic situation. Folks pick double-stealth lineups (and then people will build Shadowblades). People play Necro as support. You have to explain what a "roaming support" is. No one knows how to tri-lane. Item builds are terrible. Farm allocation is a mysterious concept. I could go on, and on. Yeah, there's a ton of bullshit at the top too. But in the trench the quality of Dota is frequently just bad. You actually have to adjust your mindset to the idea that your teammates are probably not going to do smart things. They're going to quietly turn around when you think they are coming your direction for a gank, after you've committed. When you say "let's rosh now," they're going to wait until the Rosh window is totally and obviously closed to enter the pit (at which point they will definitely do so, to tragic results). They're going to disengage from winnable fights at full health, blow disables before big ults come out, and waste your ult by acting ready to fight and bailing as soon as you pop it. In the trench the frequency with which you can play Dota as a team game is so much less than in the higher tiers you want to climb just so you can get to good Dota, even if it's not consistent. Even if your teammates are sometimes totally fucking inexplicably bad for their MMR, even if the MMR disparities within a game multiply tenfold. Because occasionally, you get to play Real Dota. [e] I forgot one of my very favorite examples of how trench dota is solo dota: Spirit Breakers who will regularly charge a hero near you, causing you to move in for a kill, and then wordlessly cancel their charge with nothing changed about the tactical situation except your dangerous forward movement. Then wonder why you tell them that's a bad thing they need to stop doing. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On November 29 2014 11:11 the bear jew wrote: So why do you want a higher MMR? For me, it's the chance to play the best and learn by getting my ass kicked. pretty much this for me. i am super SUPER competitive and i love the steep learning curve. so i naturally gravitated towards games like sc2 and dota..dota more so because of the team play element. so i want to get better, which naturally follows an MMR increase. EDIT: i do wanna touch on what FHDH said.. i am also sick of people not having a basic grasp of their heroes…like look up a fucking guide if you're gonna play a high impact role. if you make a minor mistake in judgement, whatever. but if you're picking a hero and are demonstrating you have literally no idea how to play your role, i have no patience for you. | ||
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the bear jew
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zturchan
Canada156 Posts
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SolarFlare93
Australia301 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On December 02 2014 08:45 the bear jew wrote: Man FHDH and Bluemoon, took the words out of my brain. ya i hate to say it, but sometimes i don't have patience for one of my friends who we play with on a regular basis..i wish he would attempt to improve but he's just a very lazy player. I'm by no means perfect, but i shouldn't be out carrying a free farm PA. or like in the same game, we had an entirely useless windrunner. On December 02 2014 12:24 zturchan wrote: Because I want to be a part of the community. I don't feel like I can post, talk, or participate in the community in any meaningful way without being told to literally kill myself. As someone who has spent months on and off considering just that, having people confirm all those dark thoughts isn't great. A high-ish mmr would mean i would feel like a subhuman mongoloid every time I played a game or said something that wasn't generic praise or twitch chat spam. you can post here no problem as long as you can deal with yango and sn0_man as well as a few others correcting you. i say stupid shit all of the time because I'm not a professional player. sorry to hear about your past, though. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Don't be afraid to talk about the game or have an opinion. Most of the really good players here don't have anything to prove, so they won't talk down to you. They might just point out you are wrong. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 03 2014 01:22 Plansix wrote: terrible. Like I used to make wand every game, but in the last 6 months I have start switched over to magic stick only(with a few exceptions). ur the worst | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On December 03 2014 01:22 Plansix wrote: Yeah, zturchan, I am dumpster tier MMR and I still post my opinion on the game. Discussing the game and playing the game are two separate things. Just be open to new builds or ideas on how to play and that what you might be doing is terrible. Like I used to make wand every game, but in the last 6 months I have start switched over to magic stick only(with a few exceptions). Don't be afraid to talk about the game or have an opinion. Most of the really good players here don't have anything to prove, so they won't talk down to you. They might just point out you are wrong. yep, this is a game where you learn through experience. so unless you have specific experience (and a lot of it), maybe you have this idea in your head and its kinda right, but someone with more experience can say it simpler or make more sense of it, or maybe correct a small aspect of it. I find that discussing this sorta stuff on LD has been helpful and made me a better player even if I don't have the experience of a veteran. as for the wand thing, I've gotten in the habit of getting a stick too often I think... but its so useful! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I need to finish Dragon Age and get back into Dota. Maybe tonight will be my return. | ||
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Varth
United States426 Posts
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Steveling
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TheEmulator
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On December 03 2014 04:28 Steveling wrote: My goal is to reach 4k. Weren't you like 4.2k? I'm guessing you dropped a bit then? | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
On December 03 2014 03:02 Varth wrote: This game has a ridiculous learning curve so I never begrudge people who are trying to improve themselves. I would never begrudge a player who is trying to improve his/her self. I only hate those that make no effort to improve themselves, or remain willfully ignorant. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On December 03 2014 05:14 Uranium wrote: I would never begrudge a player who is trying to improve his/her self. I only hate those that make no effort to improve themselves, or remain willfully ignorant. exactly. or if you're playing a new hero/want to improve and you simply have no idea how it's played and you waste an hour of my time. just look up a damn guide or gameplay on youtube..it's not hard. | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
I guess if you're a support who doesn't buy wards/smoke you have lots of item slots anyway so you only need the stick.. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On December 03 2014 04:31 TheEmulator wrote: Weren't you like 4.2k? I'm guessing you dropped a bit then? I keep dropping after I stopped playing to win. Sad lyfe, my post was sarcastic though, my actual skill is like 6k. | ||
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ASoo
2864 Posts
On December 03 2014 01:22 Plansix wrote: Don't be afraid to talk about the game or have an opinion. Most of the really good players here don't have anything to prove, so they won't talk down to you. They might just point out you are wrong. This seems like a pretty rosy view of the posting culture here. This thread is full of good players saying "I want to improve my MMR so I won't have to put up with trash players who are worse than me." The QQ thread is full of "Oh my god I played in a game with a guy who was worse than me, and he was SO BAD." Basically this whole site* is people posting about how obnoxious it is that they have to play with people who are worse at Dota than they are. I think it's not unreasonable to feel talked-down-to if you hang out here and aren't very good at Dota. *("this whole site" may be slight hyperbole) | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On December 03 2014 13:33 ASoo wrote: This seems like a pretty rosy view of the posting culture here. This thread is full of good players saying "I want to improve my MMR so I won't have to put up with trash players who are worse than me." The QQ thread is full of "Oh my god I played in a game with a guy who was worse than me, and he was SO BAD." Basically this whole site* is people posting about how obnoxious it is that they have to play with people who are worse at Dota than they are. I think it's not unreasonable to feel talked-down-to if you hang out here and aren't very good at Dota. *("this whole site" may be slight hyperbole) I'd argue that yours is a pretty cynical way of viewing the community. QQ thread is people venting. Everyone needs to blow off steam somewhere, and that thread should never be considered anything more than that. Overall though, unless you're actively trying to argue something that is completely wrong with someone who is objectively better and has considerably more knowledge, all ideas are welcome. And if you are wrong, and someone has tried this, usually they are willing to discuss why it is the way it is with you. Provided of course you're willing to actually discuss it that is. For all the answers in this thread that have been 'I want to play with better people' I'd say just as many are 'I'd like to reach my personal peak' as well. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On the subject of posting culture: I still maintain that fast diffusal on Naga works for and is comfortable for me, damn it. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On December 03 2014 13:33 ASoo wrote: This seems like a pretty rosy view of the posting culture here. This thread is full of good players saying "I want to improve my MMR so I won't have to put up with trash players who are worse than me." The QQ thread is full of "Oh my god I played in a game with a guy who was worse than me, and he was SO BAD." Basically this whole site* is people posting about how obnoxious it is that they have to play with people who are worse at Dota than they are. I think it's not unreasonable to feel talked-down-to if you hang out here and aren't very good at Dota. *("this whole site" may be slight hyperbole) Which is funny because no matter your rating you'll always have the opportunity to blame your teammates. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On December 03 2014 06:28 Steveling wrote: I keep dropping after I stopped playing to win. Sad lyfe, my post was sarcastic though, my actual skill is like 6k. no | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
You'll never convince him otherwise. He is a man that defines his own reality. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On December 03 2014 13:51 Jinxed wrote: I'd argue that yours is a pretty cynical way of viewing the community. QQ thread is people venting. Everyone needs to blow off steam somewhere, and that thread should never be considered anything more than that. Overall though, unless you're actively trying to argue something that is completely wrong with someone who is objectively better and has considerably more knowledge, all ideas are welcome. And if you are wrong, and someone has tried this, usually they are willing to discuss why it is the way it is with you. Provided of course you're willing to actually discuss it that is. For all the answers in this thread that have been 'I want to play with better people' I'd say just as many are 'I'd like to reach my personal peak' as well. I also think there's a difference between playing with players that don't know their heroes and talking about those heroes. It's aggravating to play with people that didn't even bother to look at a guide..or don't know how to stack and pull. However, it's different when you're discussing an item build. Sometimes it's easy to feel talked down to, but you need to keep it in perspective. There are a lot of DOTA veterans on this website. While it might feel like you're being talked down to, keep in mind that you probably feel that way bc you're on the internet (no voice inflection) and that the people that are telling you certain things about the game are saying that bc they have way more experience than you. As you browse the site you'll know whose points of view you align with and who you can trust when they tell you that you're wrong. TL;DR: stick around and have a conversation with someone and you'll stop feeling talked down to. | ||
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