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Hi all, Faceless Void has won out over Viper in the Compendium model rework vote. To be honest, it was an unexpected result of the final vote even for us. Faceless Void won the votes across all regions. We've been grappling with what to do internally for some time now and decided we need more information. So we are approaching the Dota community to gather feedback on what it is about Faceless Void’s model that people are reacting negatively to. It will help us have a good starting point as to how to approach this on our end so that we end up with something that most of the Dota community will be happy with. We are specifically looking for information about the parts of the design that you like, and the parts you dislike and why. -dhabih dev.dota2.com
So everyone's favorite hero, Faceless Void has been most voted for a model rework and now VOLVO needs our help as a community to gather feedback on what they should to do to change his appearance.
Let us all at LIQUID DOTA work together and help our good friend Gabe Newell come up with an idea to put some make up on our old faceless pal.
I'll start, give him a mustache.
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Pretty surprising but..
Just make him fucking mini cthulu
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It just goes to show that Valve thought to themselves that the amount of compendium money that they received would give them a good excuse to work on Zeus or Viper except...how the fuck did Faceless Void win?
Valve kind of put themselves in a hole here because they're forced to change a hero in which it's bound to upset people that likes his current aesthetics and nobody in the world can give a real reason on how this hero out of every other hero won the vote.
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On October 11 2014 12:18 Kuroeeah wrote:
I'll start, give him a mustache.
A tentacle moustache!
I hope the model doesn't get changed too much because I like it the way it is.
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When i think of the name i always thought of a hooded figure who's face kind of looked like a blackhole or was just empty underneath. I never really associated with a tentacle monster or a hammerhead shark, but chances are it won't look anything like that.
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I'm quite surprised that he won across all regions as well. I can't blame Valve for taking this stance.
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On October 11 2014 12:24 Kuroeeah wrote:
It just goes to show that Valve thought to themselves that the amount of compendium money that they received would give them a good excuse to work on Zeus or Viper except...how the fuck did Faceless Void win?
Valve kind of put themselves in a hole here because they're forced to change a hero in which it's bound to upset people that likes his current aesthetics and nobody in the world can give a real reason on how this hero out of every other hero won the vote.
? It lost all regions. It would appear that its pretty widely regarded as an unfavorable model - no further explanation is really required.
I agree with the above poster - I don't see Faceless Void as a tentacled creature or spaghetti monster type but unfortunately it can't overlap too much with Abaddon either.
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People see him as a cthulu inspired humanoid because of Warcraft lore and its Dota version, that was based on the faceless ones, cthulu inspired monsters. Which is also a reason why Valve probally won't go down that route.
Either way I don't expect them to do any significant rework on the model. They don't have much to work with considering the huge amount of cosmetics he has and how limiting they are.
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Lalalaland34498 Posts
I still question how he won over Viper wtf
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I have a feeling most people just picked based on the hero they liked the most and wanted to see made more awesome, not who actually has a terrible model and needs reworking.
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Yeah I can't believe he beat Viper. I hope Valve updates that hero's model soon anyway.
I guess I'd approach the question as a sort of "how can we take the current model and make it better" question. Honestly I think they could do a lot with just some retexturing, since that solid purple body is a bit plain. Maybe make him more sinewy, I think that has potential.
As for the head... If we're going the horror route, maybe give him a bigger and more alarming mouth. Or no mouth at all. Or make him look like one of those Exbelua things from Tales of Symphonia + Show Spoiler +
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On October 14 2014 03:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
I still question how he won over Viper wtf
I question how Anti-Mage got more votes than Zeus in the group stage
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How to improve faceless void: Remove the face.
Seriously faceless void with a mouth... what part of faceless is so hard? It's Faceless Void not Mouth of Sauron.
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Do a P Flax inspired remodel. Replace his head with a dick. He no longer has a face. 
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Why is this shit getting reworked before slardar? Redditors must be retarded or some shit.
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Singapore66357 Posts
Just add an ahoge to it and say "done"
void is fine as he is mangz
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Well, if they listened to ME Lion would have been the one on the chopping block, but noooooooo, let's have democracy.
As for my 2 cents - he's plain, vanilla, boring. It's a purple silueth with a loincloth, he needs some details in there (then again, I voted Viper).
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On October 14 2014 01:19 clusen wrote:A tentacle moustache! I hope the model doesn't get changed too much because I like it the way it is.
too anime man
i'm sure you can think of better suggestion :D
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turn him into a tentacle monster again
rework done
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On October 14 2014 15:31 sqrt wrote:
Well, if they listened to ME Lion would have been the one on the chopping block, but noooooooo, let's have democracy.
As for my 2 cents - he's plain, vanilla, boring. It's a purple silueth with a loincloth, he needs some details in there (then again, I voted Viper).
) Made my day, thnx.
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it would be sick if whenever he chronos there is some kind of sick background music like when you get silenced or some shit but only to the area where chrono was casted so that it doesn't turn into some kind of alert warning for everyone on the other team.
(not sure if this is part of the rework)
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On October 14 2014 13:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Why is this shit getting reworked before slardar? Redditors must be retarded or some shit.
Except redditors make up a tiny percentage of the playerbase
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Nothing wrong with his model. People be crazy.
But if we HAVE to have changes I guess more detail on the existing one? *shrug*
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They should take a bold step, and tell the masses that they voted wrong due to the confusing voting system. And then rework Viper.
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On October 14 2014 18:47 Sassback wrote:
They should take a bold step, and tell the masses that they voted wrong due to the confusing voting system. And then rework Viper.
To be honest they could have just lied if they'd wanted to. Its not as if anyone would be liked to have noticed. Most of the more vocal people were convinced it would be Viper or Zeus or Slardar or something so one of them winning wouldn't have been a big surprise. I mean who would check and how?
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Make him truly faceless like slenderman.
Or back to dota1 style, eyes and tentacles, no mouth
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Yeah i don't get how Faceless won. Zeus, Viper and Slardar needs this so much more.
If they changed void i guess it would be more similiar to the old? But there is already a skin for that and it looks awesome enough. I wish he would just stay the same.
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Ppl are dumb as fuck. Picked Void over Viper AND Slardar.....
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On October 14 2014 03:27 tehh4ck3r wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 03:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
I still question how he won over Viper wtf I question how Anti-Mage got more votes than Zeus in the group stage
even the mod/dev questioned that rofl, if you read down a couple posts on dev forum
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On October 14 2014 19:47 SkelA wrote:
Ppl are dumb as fuck. Picked Void over Viper AND Slardar.....
i am guessing the kids in ALL regions are scared of his current model or something.
the solution is to make him looks even scarier, screw the annoying brats
for the record i have been screaming to remake slardar since the (very) early beta, might be able to dig out my old post in dev
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Some non-euclidean geometry would be great
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Give him some sort of internet-smiley-face that displays ":D" for every bash/backtrack and " " whenever he doesnt bash/backtrack for 2 consecutive hits.
If that's not wanted (I cant imagine why), just make him smore octopus/kraken-like, and make him grab/strangle his target if he bashes and lose+instantly regrow an arm whenever he backtracks. Ok, thats not really what happens "lore"-wise, but anyway.
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On October 14 2014 23:35 Kyir wrote:
Some non-euclidean geometry would be great
Oh yeah, model his body in 4d and do the whole model rotations just slightly off the 3d plane. I wonder if the engine can handle that?
EDIT: Well, that would still remain euclidean but might be visually interesting.
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United States15275 Posts
Fix his goat feet, then do something about Slardar.
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On October 14 2014 19:41 Zorgaz wrote:
Yeah i don't get how Faceless won. Zeus, Viper and Slardar needs this so much more.
If they changed void i guess it would be more similiar to the old? But there is already a skin for that and it looks awesome enough. I wish he would just stay the same.
no one gives a shit about zeus, viper, or slardar, but void is pretty popular
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I honestly enjoyed his model. I don't know why people hated it so much. I can't think of anything that'll replace it.
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yeah why would people vote for heroes they never play, I don't care for zeus/ slarda, and I think viper is cool, looks like he' supposed to. Void on the otherhand could look much better and is much more common.
I mean slarda is an ugly fish, but he's just a cheap "counter" (mostly fail conter) to invis heroes.
On the other hand tho they fucked up the SF model for no reason at all (besides money for the arcana, 20€rofl..)
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On October 15 2014 07:45 amMaine wrote:
On the other hand tho they fucked up the SF model for no reason at all
Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way, new SF should be called Fire Fiend or something.
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I like the current SF model.
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here's my 2 cents
LOL
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On October 15 2014 09:57 evanthebouncy! wrote:here's my 2 cents LOL
Lo with some tentacles holding a hammer and become faceless void ahahahahhaaa I love this, wp!
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On October 15 2014 09:57 evanthebouncy! wrote:here's my 2 cents LOL
Would pay for.
On October 15 2014 07:45 amMaine wrote:
On the other hand tho they fucked up the SF model for no reason at all (besides money for the arcana, 20€rofl..)
The old model was too undefined for my liking, but I enjoyed the cross between a Mari Lwyd and Longarm Shanks.
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On October 15 2014 09:57 evanthebouncy! wrote:here's my 2 cents LOL
Tentacle rape incoming...
Edit: on topic, just remodel him like slenderman and we're good to go...
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![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrUqrKzIgAAu5lE.jpg)
Take notes Valve, take notes
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but that would make him just...void
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Man, the more I look at this thread the sadder i get. I personally think Void looks pretty cool as it is (and judging by all the troll posts in here, most of you can't think of any useful reworks). And whatever he gets turned into is probably going to be worse than his current model.
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The thing is, his current incarnation is awfully plain. He's a purple anthropomorphic alien with a cheesy as hell hammerhead face, a mace and a loincloth. There isn't much of interest in this very generic concept, and more importantly it doesn't reflect at all the time theme.
The fact that his body is uniformly plastic purple without texturing or details is another flaw in his model.
Even though a full rework may not jave been necessary or at least as necessary as other heroes, he at least needed to be tweaked.
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Seriously though, why do people want to remodel him? He looks fine as he is. But if people are full bent on reworking him just make him something like a protoss unit, just more zergy. I dunno, all i can think of are dark templars when you talk about the "void"...
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Again like has been mentioned earlier, change his persona, his voice lines suggest narcissism and being self centered with his power. His voice lines should suggest mysterious terror and darkness, like Abbadon, I love Abbadon's lines, it reflects his lore and persona well. Void on the other hand almost sounds like Invoker, it's fitting on Invoker, but not Void (I also find that Invoker pub players often have Invoker's personality X3)
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He acts like fucking Lord Farquaad from Shrek, but traveling thru time. Make him spooky and give him some more appendages. Maybe chain of green spikes down his back, surrounded by black fading to purple, and change his arm that holds the weapon to a hulking rope of tentacles which is darker than the rest of him. For the face, or lack thereof... I will draw something and put it in this thread later.
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Make him a mass of something (tentacles/clouds), that extends to attack and draws back to backtrack, stop thinking of a human shape. I think faceless indicates mainly that he's inhuman, so i'd go with a fluid/semi fluid mass of something like black clouds like spectre or water like morphling.
I'd play around with the morphling model and the "river of time" idea, like making it flow backwards whenever it backtracks. Take the mouth and eyes away, make it flow slower to give it a more biological feeling, dual color it maybe (like making the main thing black/dark purple and create one or two golden/white/whatever small streams similar to enigma). Morphling already has a jump animation so they can take that one and alter it to something more slow flowing like pl's.
I like chronosphere the way it is so i'd keep it.
@Sassback it's pretty apparent why this situation has come up. His lore gives next to nothing in terms of what he looks like and what his character is, his theme, time is as inconcrete as possible in terms of visuals and as a result valve's model is rather boring. It's not because void's model is fine, it's because it's hard to come up with a good model for a being that which is only described by "faceless void who uses time and comes from a different plane".
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I personally find most of these suggestions worse than the actual model :O kinda wishing viper won now
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I am also confused as to how Void won over Slardar. I thought Zeus was okay, Viper needs to look a little scarier than he is, but his model isn't horrible.
That said, I think when you're naming a hero "faceless void" seeing that model, it's not faceless and it's not a "void". I'm not advocating some abstract model similar to Io, but I think the head should be darker, and scarier, the body should be some (shaped) body of energy, not necessarily resembling a human body.
Also agreed with the comments on his voice (though I don't think it's up for change) - he sounds almost as narcisstic as Zeus and Invoker, and he doesn't have to be.
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On October 16 2014 21:05 ArcticRaven wrote:
The thing is, his current incarnation is awfully plain. He's a purple anthropomorphic alien with a cheesy as hell hammerhead face, a mace and a loincloth. There isn't much of interest in this very generic concept, and more importantly it doesn't reflect at all the time theme.
The fact that his body is uniformly plastic purple without texturing or details is another flaw in his model.
Even though a full rework may not jave been necessary or at least as necessary as other heroes, he at least needed to be tweaked.
This right here.
Also as others have mentioned:
No more goat feet.
No more hammerhead shark face.
Make him "scarier".
Include the "time" theme.
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they should remove the mouth, since the mouth is part of a face and is inconsistent with the name "faceless" void.
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He needed a new voice far more than a new model. He has one of the most vicious looks in the game and yet his voice pack, while fine in a vacuum, looks like it should be coming from some Silencer-looking motherfucker or something. Not some vicious humanoid time-beast, which is what his current model suggests, especially the mouth - from which I simply cannot see his vocals coming. They don't make sense.
I doubt Valve is going to get workable suggestions so hopefully they just iterate on the current dynamic which is how I feel they did SF. New SF looks essentially like old SF - arcana aside - but way more awesome.
I think they can achieve that with Void. And then change his fucking voice.
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On October 15 2014 09:57 evanthebouncy! wrote:here's my 2 cents LOL
I like it, like a shoggoth, and time walk would visually look like a very weird model displacement, if you own any gear the blob would occasionally morph equipped gear that you can just barely make out from a tentacle to match it before dissolving back into the body. 'course it'd be hell to determine what direction it is being faced.
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Hopefully he also gets a voice rework. Wouldn't be a fan of all these lousy puns if he is going to look dark/like a badass.
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On October 21 2014 07:38 yookstah wrote:
Hopefully he also gets a voice rework. Wouldn't be a fan of all these lousy puns if he is going to look dark/like a badass.
He already looks too dark and aggressive for his voice. I really hates it.
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